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Remember David Lametti, who helped pushed Jody Wilson Raybould out so he could give Trudeau's friends at SNC Lavalin the free pass they wanted for criminal activity? Well, now he says you're a criminal if the Liberals decide what you post on the internet is "not in the broad public interest." Like pictures of your cat - those are not in the broad public interest, so you're a criminal if you post them, should Trudeau's well paid minions so decide.

Take a listen to how flippant he is about steamrolling your Constitutionally guaranteed rights. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from exactly what Lametti is doing. I guess we should have known a Liberal designed Constitution was designed to protect Liberals, and not Canadians.

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Gone_Fishin wrote: May 21st, 2021, 8:33 am Like pictures of your cat - those are not in the broad public interest, so you're a criminal if you post them...
That's just the sort of irresponsible misrepresentation I'm talking about. Do Conservastives actually think that sort of sensationalism is doing the party any good ?
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Gone_Fishin wrote: May 21st, 2021, 8:33 am Remember David Lametti, who helped pushed Jody Wilson Raybould out so he could give Trudeau's friends at SNC Lavalin the free pass they wanted for criminal activity? Well, now he says you're a criminal if the Liberals decide what you post on the internet is "not in the broad public interest." Like pictures of your cat - those are not in the broad public interest, so you're a criminal if you post them, should Trudeau's well paid minions so decide.

Take a listen to how flippant he is about steamrolling your Constitutionally guaranteed rights. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from exactly what Lametti is doing. I guess we should have known a Liberal designed Constitution was designed to protect Liberals, and not Canadians.

https://mikesmoneytalks.ca/the-attorney ... ter-rights
So "not in the broad public interest" is a euphemism for "not in this government's best interest".

Seems to me the Liberals are giddy with excitement about how this new tool can help them stay in power - which could explain why they are so blasé about what other governments could do with the same tool.

We ordinary Canadians can't afford to be blasé.
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Decent information from one of the stakeholders in Bill C-10:

C-10 and social media: let’s get the facts straight

"Now more than ever, Canadians engage with their media, be it audio, audiovisual, or social, online. These realities demand that Canada’s regulatory system be adapted to ensure online services pay their fair share and contribute to the Canadian broadcasting ecosystem. Bill C-10 remains an essential step towards this goal.

In recent days, some have critiqued this Bill as an “affront to freedom of expression” resulting in an “open ended censorship regime for the internet.” The Conservative Party of Canada has made clear its opposition to this Bill. Each point to recent amendments to article 4.1.(1) as infringing on Canadians’ rights. These comments have put in jeopardy the progress of Bill C-10 through Parliament in advance of the summer.

Let us be clear: these characterizations are both factually incorrect and dangerously misleading. They represent neither the text nor the purpose of Bill C-10."


https://cimamusic.ca/news/recent-news/r ... m-the-cdce

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fluffy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:40 am Decent information from one of the stakeholders in Bill C-10:

C-10 and social media: let’s get the facts straight

Now more than ever, Canadians engage with their media, be it audio, audiovisual, or social, online. These realities demand that Canada’s regulatory system be adapted to ensure online services pay their fair share and contribute to the Canadian broadcasting ecosystem. Bill C-10 remains an essential step towards this goal.

In recent days, some have critiqued this Bill as an “affront to freedom of expression” resulting in an “open ended censorship regime for the internet.” The Conservative Party of Canada has made clear its opposition to this Bill. Each point to recent amendments to article 4.1.(1) as infringing on Canadians’ rights. These comments have put in jeopardy the progress of Bill C-10 through Parliament in advance of the summer.

Let us be clear: these characterizations are both factually incorrect and dangerously misleading. They represent neither the text nor the purpose of Bill C-10.


https://cimamusic.ca/news/recent-news/r ... m-the-cdce

Suspicion and innuendo doth not an argument make.
That stakeholder has a vested interest to defend. The bias of anyone who relies on taxpayer-funded support of Canadian artists will prompt them to tell us how vital it is for the taxpayers to fund Canadian artists. (This statement may contain some suspicion and innuendo - it's also common sense. That's where they're coming from in defending Bill C-10.)

Their "exclusion" claim has already been shown to be faulty. Canadians have good reason to be wary. Haste is not in out best
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rustled wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:46 amThat stakeholder has a vested interest to defend.
Of course they do, that's why I posted it. Someone with information on what the bill will actually do for them as opposed to political posturing.
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fluffy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:48 am
rustled wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:46 amThat stakeholder has a vested interest to defend.
Of course they do, that's why I posted it. Someone with information on what the bill will actually do for them as opposed to political posturing.
Yes, what it will do for them.

It's simply someone else's posturing: their objective is to make a case for a Bill that will benefits them through greater access to taxpayer funds to support artists who can't generate enough financial support for their art and rely instead on government-managed charity, regardless of the unintended consequences for Canadians - not the least of which is how Canadians are exposed to art produced by through government-managed funding.

I'd be interested to know if you can, in your own words, state the actual purpose of Bill C-10.
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Smurf wrote: May 20th, 2021, 9:11 am Sorry, I will have to agree to disagree. Everything the Liberals do is carefully gauged for their political advantage. They would not even look at this if they did not think there was some advantage to be gained. They are playing to their base all the way.
Yes and no. Every political party will try to frame their positions for political advantage.

The difference with the Liberals (and the NDP) versus the CPC is that the Liberal party (and the NDP party) have mechanisms where the base indicates the policy positions and action imperatives to a large extent.

Those imperatives are then the range of choices that are used to produce platforms, and when in government, ministers mandate letters etc.

So those two parties (not sure about the Bloc or Greens) shift positions as society's concerns evolve. The Liberals have a very robust system for doing that, which is why they tend to be on the correct side of issues when polling is done.

The CPC is much, much more more "top down" and much more divided because their processes are "top down". You won't see the Liberals ignore or contradict the party membership as obviously as we see with the CPC. The Liberal approach is generally to have policies that reflect what the majority of Canadians want, and get elected that way. The CPC approach tends to be a fixed and immutable ideological dogma that relies on political shenanigans and maneuvers to get elected.

In a nutshell that's why the Liberals are generally more responsive to concerns of the majority of Canadians.

C-10 is a response to that shifting concern of Canadians.
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hobbyguy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 10:00 am
Smurf wrote: May 20th, 2021, 9:11 am Sorry, I will have to agree to disagree. Everything the Liberals do is carefully gauged for their political advantage. They would not even look at this if they did not think there was some advantage to be gained. They are playing to their base all the way.
SNIP The Liberals have a very robust system for doing that, which is why they tend to be on the correct side of issues when polling is done.

The correct side according to the polling the Trudeau Liberals use to generate support for their agenda.

I suppose that's typical of the Trudeau Liberals to propose "polling" as a solid metric on which to base government policy.
hobbyguy wrote:C-10 is a response to that shifting concern of Canadians.
Again, "that shifting concern of Canadians" according to polling - in which the polls are set up to generate the results the Trudeau Liberals require in order to be "on the correct side of issues when polling is done".
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hobbyguy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 10:00 am
In a nutshell that's why the Liberals are generally more responsive to concerns of the majority of Canadians.
I didn't know the "majority of Canadians" are billionaires from the Laurentians.

Trudeau is crafting this legislation to strip away our Constitutional rights - the rights we THOUGHT we had, anyway. Mao, Stalin, and Hitler did the exact same thing to their citizens. Justin Trudeau is after Absolute Power for the LPC, and his paid digital influencers on here will be sorry sods when they realize that $20/hour wasn't worth their lives as Canadians.
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hobbyguy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 10:00 amC-10 is a response to that shifting concern of Canadians.
Yes, and a response to the changes in the way Canadians access media content. The idea that they do care about the concerns of the electorate as opposed to assuming they have the authority to decide for the electorate without consultation is what sets them apart from the CPC.

Plus the bill seeks to deal with corporate freeloading by leveling the playing field for all media broadcasters.
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Must be a problem with bill C-10 or we wouldn't be talking about it so much.

The conservatives have nothing to gain if the bill doesn't go through.

What do the liberals have to gain if the bill does pass?

Seems to me the divide is worse than I thought. Seems to me the divide is stemmed from freedom. The liberals want to regulate the internet, have stricter gun laws, force gender diversity everywhere. The conservatives want to uphold free internet, keep gun laws as is and let people decide things for themselves.

People who vote liberal are afraid of freedom and others.

People who vote conservative thrive in a free environment.
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fluffy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 10:42 am
hobbyguy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 10:00 amC-10 is a response to that shifting concern of Canadians.
Yes, and a response to the changes in the way Canadians access media content. The idea that they do care about the concerns of the electorate as opposed to assuming they have the authority to decide for the electorate without consultation is what sets them apart from the CPC.
LOL.

What really sets the Trudeau Liberals apart from the Conservatives is how the Trudeau Liberals tell Canadians what Canadians are concerned about, and then engage in faux consultation about how they propose to deal with the concerns they've told us Canadians are concerned about.

If supporting mediocre Canadian artists was a genuine concern for ordinary Canadians, ordinary Canadians would not need to be forced through algorithms and taxation to support mediocre Canadian art.

Bill C-10 is for the Trudeau Liberals.
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fluffy wrote: May 21st, 2021, 10:42 am Yes, and a response to the changes in the way Canadians access media content. The idea that they do care about the concerns of the electorate as opposed to assuming they have the authority to decide for the electorate without consultation is what sets them apart from the CPC.
lol, so the CPC is some tyrannical government and they tell others how it is but the liberals get elected in and listen to the people?

Both parties do the same thing, pander to their base to get votes to get into office.
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One big difference between the Liberals and the CPC is that the liberals control their members, what they do and what they say. The CPC give them freedom. Just ask Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott what happens if you don't tow the party line.
I Think Justin and the liberals would love to get that same control over the media. A few "loopholes" as mentioned by Fluffy might be just what they were hoping for. Who knows. I certainly don't but I am happy to see them debated and hopefully closed.
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