Old growth logging

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I'm not picking sides here, but I did read this article today. https://www.macleans.ca/longforms/briti ... wth-trees/
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How come those tree hugging hippies aren’t protesting the logging of high elevation, 400-500 year old Sub Alpine fir ? Is it because the old growth Alpine fir is only 12-16 inches on the stump and don’t look as majestic, or is it because the high elevation log blocks are too far removed from their baristas ?
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Hurtlander wrote: May 26th, 2021, 6:41 pm How come those tree hugging hippies aren’t protesting the logging of high elevation, 400-500 year old Sub Alpine fir ? Is it because the old growth Alpine fir is only 12-16 inches on the stump and don’t look as majestic, or is it because the high elevation log blocks are too far removed from their baristas ?
Cut this Yellow Cedar many years ago at the back end of Brandywine Valley, one before Callaghan Valley where some of the Olympic events were held.
High elevation, maybe 3500 ASL. This tree was in a stand of 20-24" dbh alpine Hemlock all by it's self .
left over from I fire perhaps? 13' at it's widest.
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Squamish has changed to barista loving save everything types. In the olden days there was a great community spirit when BC Rail, Interfor, Chemical plant, Woodfibre all supplied well paying jobs where the employees could afford to purchase houses and contribute to the community. For the most part forestry orientated incomes. Now it is a bedroom community of Vancouver or Whistler and house prices are in my opinion stupid expensive for what you get in return. Hence the issue of street camping in town. Change is constant I suppose, perhaps not always for the better.
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Glacier wrote: May 26th, 2021, 4:39 pm I'm not picking sides here, but I did read this article today. https://www.macleans.ca/longforms/briti ... wth-trees/

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Who ever is buying this wood -every company along the line should be boycotted.
This is disgusting. And all levels of gov't that enabled this, you are disgusting,was it worth the money?....Shame on you!
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Stop the demand for the trees by building small houses. There is no need for any houses over 1500 sq/ft depending on the family size. I find it funny and contradictory when you hear tree hugging retirees complain about cutting trees when they live in 2500 sq/ft homes. Kelowna is a great example.
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ckil wrote: May 27th, 2021, 11:39 am Stop the demand for the trees by building small houses.
... and the left should stop rioting in the streets, so less boarding up of businesses.
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BC Landlord wrote: May 27th, 2021, 12:38 pm
ckil wrote: May 27th, 2021, 11:39 am Stop the demand for the trees by building small houses.
... and the left should stop rioting in the streets, so less boarding up of businesses.
lol...good point.
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What do you guys have against baristas?
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ckil wrote: May 27th, 2021, 11:39 am Stop the demand for the trees by building small houses. There is no need for any houses over 1500 sq/ft depending on the family size. I find it funny and contradictory when you hear tree hugging retirees complain about cutting trees when they live in 2500 sq/ft homes. Kelowna is a great example.
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oldtrucker wrote: May 27th, 2021, 11:01 am Who ever is buying this wood -every company along the line should be boycotted.
This is disgusting. And all levels of gov't that enabled this, you are disgusting,was it worth the money?....Shame on you!
It could also be that the tree in question was at the end of its life. We don't know that. If so, why let it rot?
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BC Landlord wrote: May 27th, 2021, 2:55 pm t could also be that the tree in question was at the end of its life. We don't know that. If so, why let it rot?
That's all part of the system. Just think, if those trees are allowed to die and fall as they should....someone in 100 years will be walking along that half rotted giant log and appreciate it was left alone to rot. To me thats worth more than any amount of money, jobs etc.
It's part of the natural balance of the forest.
Rotten, dying, going to fall over and take out other younger trees....doesn't matter. Those areas should be totally off limits for taking anything out of there. I'm sure the bar gets moved on 'what is going to die soon so we can cut it down' when it suits those that are on the receiving end of the money in some direct or indirect way.
With so precious little of the old growth left, I find it disgusting to a magnitude of infinity that this is happening and that this is even a topic. It shows a total lack of accountable leadership on all levels of gov't. It shows true colors of those companies involved in the harvesting, and their customers.

And for the guy driving this giant log down the road...It may be your job to drive the logging truck, but with this, you and everyone in that chain making money are not part of the solution, you ARE the problem.
Glacier wrote: May 26th, 2021, 4:39 pm I'm not picking sides here, but I did read this article today. https://www.macleans.ca/longforms/briti ... wth-trees/
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Rightly or wrongly i think Teal is going to lose this one, terrible optics for them.
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oldtrucker wrote: May 27th, 2021, 3:28 pm That's all part of the system. Just think, if those trees are allowed to die and fall as they should....someone in 100 years will be walking along that half rotted giant log and appreciate it was left alone to rot. To me thats worth more than any amount of money, jobs etc.
It's part of the natural balance of the forest.
Not sure what's so exciting about walking over a rotten log. :135:
To my knowledge, logging is already heavily regulated. There are numerous protocols that logging companies need to follow. In my mind, it's better to leave younger growth and harvest older. It's not a matter of emotions.
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BC Landlord wrote: May 27th, 2021, 3:45 pm ot sure what's so exciting about walking over a rotten log.
Nothing.Everything. I'm one of those weirdos that has a deep non city person connection to nature I guess. I'm more FN than some of the actual FN on here. I always rule in the court of oldtrucker that the planets environment comes first. No matter how much money is involved-hands off.
BC Landlord wrote: May 27th, 2021, 3:45 pm It's not a matter of emotions.
I bet if you walked through that place you would feel its epoch aged spirit. :smt045
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gertlush wrote: May 27th, 2021, 3:32 pm Rightly or wrongly i think Teal is going to lose this one, terrible optics for them.
I don't think so. Currently teal is trying to build road into an area approved by the local first nations with the band being involved in a joint venture with Teal where some of the logs harvested feed the local bands custom cut sawmill providing jobs for the band members.
The area slated for logging over the next few years is just a fraction of the whole area that has been put aside, never to be touched, unless the first nations want to log it eventually like Isaak forest products have in Clayoquot Sound.
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