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sherashera wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:05 am If the Natives knew about the burial site and always thought it was there why bring it up now?
Simple,
Ground Penetrating Radar hasn't been around for long and is still expensive.
Now that they are located, I imagine they will now dig up at least a couple remains and let the coroner examine them.
My understanding is they can tell if someone died of TB or lack of nutrition from the bones even hundreds of years later.
They can sure find examples of physical abuse with broken bones and have a good idea if they were broken days or years before death.
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For those who are survivors, or related to survivors, and have been triggered into trauma by this discovery of the 215 buried first nation children in Kamloops.

Effective immediately:
IRSSS (Indian Residential School Survivors Society) Emergency Crisis Line is available 24/7
for those that may need counselling support from today's announcement.
1-800-721-0066
or 24hr Crisis Line
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BC Landlord wrote: May 29th, 2021, 7:19 am
Silverstarqueen wrote: May 29th, 2021, 7:17 am I didn't say this plan made sense, or that it was a great idea, or that it was morally right. I am telling you what happened.
I am not saying there have not been some injustices toward these people in the past, but there is not a single ethnicity under the sun that hasn't felt injustices in one way or another, at some point in time. Today's generations of Canadians have nothing to do with it. I am an immigrant to this country, and I have never owned a slave, killed someone, nor had any of my ancestors done any of that. And I paid dearly for every square inch of land I own. I have nothing to "reconcile" with anyone. Get over it, and move on.
Natives tend to not get over things, and demand demand demand. We're now in 2021 and this happened how many years ago? That's correct, today's generation of Canadians have nothing to do with this.
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sherashera wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:18 pm
Natives tend to not get over things, and demand demand demand. We're now in 2021 and this happened how many years ago? That's correct, today's generation of Canadians have nothing to do with this.
Really? I know 2 survivors of the Kamloops school. I may know more, I don't know, because they didn't talk about it.
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ferri wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:21 pm Really? I know 2 survivors of the Kamloops school. I may know more, I don't know, because they didn't talk about it.
Ferry, .. knowing about something, and having to do anything with that are two entirely different things. No one in right mind denies injustices from the past, but using such events to impose guilt on later generations, and often using grievances for political purposes is not just counterproductive for the entire society, but also harmful toward those who suffered those injustices.

I have also decided, ... due to the sensitivity of this, and my strong views on this matter, I will recluse myself from further discussion in this topic.
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oldtrucker wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:46 pm
W105 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:09 am can you imagine receiving this letter ??


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To bad this O'Grady guy isn't still alive....I'd like to pay him a visit with a copy of the letter, some salt and pepper and a glass of water to make it go down easier.
We have a number of friends in Kamloops, many are long-time catholics and still talk highly of O'Grady and their church. They seem to be oblivious to the dark past of O'Grady and other priests.
When they're talking about their church there's this deep set smile on their faces, and their eyes are moist. They are so proud of their catholic religion. :swear:
How can people be so hypocritical?

As for O'Grady, they might want to do a little digging around the old La Jac residential school, as he spent a lot of time in the Prince George area.
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BC Landlord wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:00 pm Ferry, .. knowing about something, and having to do anything with that are two entirely different things. No one in right mind denies injustices from the past, but using such events to impose guilt on later generations, and often using grievances for political purposes is not just counterproductive for the entire society, but also harmful toward those who suffered those injustices.

I have also decided, ... due to the sensitivity of this, and my strong views on this matter, I will recluse myself from further discussion in this topic.
It is a very recent past. Maybe someone should have investigated before now?
Glacier wrote: May 29th, 2021, 10:01 pm Kevin Arnette had evidence for the graves 12 years ago, but the government didn't seem interested in looking into the matter further... https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/c ... 1.24324160
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bb49 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:13 pm
As for O'Grady, they might want to do a little digging around the old La Jac residential school, as he spent a lot of time in the Prince George area.
They need to check every single residential school.
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sherashera wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:18 pm
BC Landlord wrote: May 29th, 2021, 7:19 am
I am not saying there have not been some injustices toward these people in the past, but there is not a single ethnicity under the sun that hasn't felt injustices in one way or another, at some point in time. Today's generations of Canadians have nothing to do with it. I am an immigrant to this country, and I have never owned a slave, killed someone, nor had any of my ancestors done any of that. And I paid dearly for every square inch of land I own. I have nothing to "reconcile" with anyone. Get over it, and move on.
Natives tend to not get over things, and demand demand demand. We're now in 2021 and this happened how many years ago? That's correct, today's generation of Canadians have nothing to do with this.

There are currently 80,000 residential school survivors alive in Canada. There may be someone walking or sitting right beside you in your daily life who went to residential school. You can be in your 20's right now, in Canada and be a residential school survivor.







It is estimated more than 150,000 children attended residential schools in Canada from the 1830s until the last school closed in 1996
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ferri wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:18 pm
bb49 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:13 pm
As for O'Grady, they might want to do a little digging around the old La Jac residential school, as he spent a lot of time in the Prince George area.
They need to check every single residential school.
I think that will come with time.

I had coffee with a band council member this morning and spoke to him a little about it.
His father went to a residential schools and didn't say much good about it.
I at least hope some were better.
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For those of you arguing that these places were used to "educate" what have you got to say about this?

...highly unethical nutrition experiments performed on Canadian Aboriginal children at six residential schools between 1942 and 1952 (2) – our own medical atrocities. The experiments were performed by the Department of Indian Affairs of Canada under the direction of two physicians...In these experiments, parents were not informed, nor were consents obtained. Even as children died, the experiments continued. Even after the recommendations from the Nuremberg trial, these experiments continued.

In these experiments, control and treatment groups of mal-nourished children were denied adequate nutrition. In one experiment, the treatment group received supplements of riboflavin, thiamine and/or ascorbic acid supplements to determine whether these mitigated the problems – they did not. In another, children were given a flour mix containing added thiamine, riboflavin, niacin and bone meal. Rather than improving nutrition, the children became more anemic, likely contributing to more deaths and certainly impacting development. In these experiments, efforts were made to control as many factors as possible, even when they harmed the research subjects. For example, previously available dental care was denied in some settings because the researchers wanted to observe the state of dental caries and gingivitis with malnutrition.

How could we have let this happen? Why did we not know about this long before now? Why did these experiments not stop when the Nuremberg Code was put forward?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941673/
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The insensitive comments about Res schools needs to stop. Now.
Else I'll be banned for telling you to go :cuss: yourself
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techrtr wrote: May 30th, 2021, 7:29 am I wish people would stop bandying the word "genocide" about. Here is the definition:
"the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"
There is absolutely no evidence that anyone was "deliberately killed" at the Kamloops residential school.
These are kids who probably got sick from common diseases like Spanish Influenza, typhoid fever, and TB (just like a lot of non-native kids did during the same time period). I heard a reporter on Global news this morning comparing this to mass graves in Bosnia and Cambodia. That's just ridiculous and there is no similarity.
Yes, there is evidence of wrondoing, although it needs full investigation as to what that might have involved.
Anyone else who buried many bodies without documentation, proper burial, notification of authorities, notification of relatives, would be under a microscope of investigation as to the cause of those deaths. Improper disposal of remains, is illegal, and that is what seems to have occurred here, since (apparently) the proper notifications were not made before the burial. Would families not normally be given the opportunity to burial their children, at the very least?
If some organization was running a boarding school, and just buried anyone without some explanation or marking of the graves, they would be under serious scrutiny as to exactly what occurred in each and every death. Would any of us, would our society, just accept that our children disappeared and never were accounted for?
Suppose some of those children were killed in order to cover up abuses at the time? This is why this needs investigation, it seems there was a serious cover-up of something that went on in those schools.
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SilverStarQueen,
You forgot to say completely Immoral
But then again, those responsible are generally the type of person who feels they can just ask for forgiveness and all their sins are erased.
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techrtr wrote: May 30th, 2021, 9:39 am So, educating children is cultural genocide? Let's say a family moves here from India. They have 5 kids under the age of 12 who speak only Punjabi. They come from a rural area and have never been exposed to technology. When they get go Canada, the parents refuse to let them go to school or learn English because they don't want them exposed to western culture, ideas, language or technology.
Do you think that that is a good thing?
We can change definitions when it's politically expedient. However, the fact is, sending kids to school so they could learn the skills they needed to survive in the modern world simply was not genocide. Sending the Jews to Auschwitz was genocide. Totally different things.
Come on, you are going to call this simply "educating children" for their own good?
Then why didn't they just remove white children or children of European settlers, against their parents' wishes, take them off to some where far away, and if they died, just bury them without telling authorities, without notifying parents, without returning them to their families for proper burial?
We don't know if those children died of natural causes, or neglect, or abuse, because their deaths were not reported or investigated. So one sure sign of something nefarious going on, is when bodies end up in the ground with no accounting to their community or families as to what exactly occurred to cause their deaths.
This was not just "sending kids to school". This was an attempt to wipe out their family as caretakers, their cultural connection, their language, and their right to a decent burial. If it wasn't genocide, then why cover it up?
These children were not of immigrants who needed to learn the new language or culture of their country. They were already in their own country, with their own language, their own way of educating to survive in the world. They didn't need to get a better religion, they already had their religious beliefs of their own people. So what was the justification for forcing them to learn the new culture of these new settlers in Canada?
Settlers who came to Canada did so voluntarily, knew they would likely be sending their children to english schools, but had the choice of using their own languages and customs, and religion at home. They had the choice of raising their own children, and expected that they would know if their child died, and be able to bury their own, according to their religious practices.
so why were the First Nations treated so differently, in their own land?
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