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can you imagine receiving this letter ??

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sherashera wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:05 am If the Natives knew about the burial site and always thought it was there why bring it up now?
Simple,
Ground Penetrating Radar hasn't been around for long and is still expensive.
Now that they are located, I imagine they will now dig up at least a couple remains and let the coroner examine them.
My understanding is they can tell if someone died of TB or lack of nutrition from the bones even hundreds of years later.
They can sure find examples of physical abuse with broken bones and have a good idea if they were broken days or years before death.
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For those who are survivors, or related to survivors, and have been triggered into trauma by this discovery of the 215 buried first nation children in Kamloops.

Effective immediately:
IRSSS (Indian Residential School Survivors Society) Emergency Crisis Line is available 24/7
for those that may need counselling support from today's announcement.
1-800-721-0066
or 24hr Crisis Line
1-866-925-4419
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BC Landlord wrote: May 29th, 2021, 7:19 am
Silverstarqueen wrote: May 29th, 2021, 7:17 am I didn't say this plan made sense, or that it was a great idea, or that it was morally right. I am telling you what happened.
I am not saying there have not been some injustices toward these people in the past, but there is not a single ethnicity under the sun that hasn't felt injustices in one way or another, at some point in time. Today's generations of Canadians have nothing to do with it. I am an immigrant to this country, and I have never owned a slave, killed someone, nor had any of my ancestors done any of that. And I paid dearly for every square inch of land I own. I have nothing to "reconcile" with anyone. Get over it, and move on.
Natives tend to not get over things, and demand demand demand. We're now in 2021 and this happened how many years ago? That's correct, today's generation of Canadians have nothing to do with this.
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sherashera wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:18 pm
Natives tend to not get over things, and demand demand demand. We're now in 2021 and this happened how many years ago? That's correct, today's generation of Canadians have nothing to do with this.
Really? I know 2 survivors of the Kamloops school. I may know more, I don't know, because they didn't talk about it.
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W105 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:09 am can you imagine receiving this letter ??


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To bad this O'Grady guy isn't still alive....I'd like to pay him a visit with a copy of the letter, some salt and pepper and a glass of water to make it go down easier.
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ferri wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:21 pm Really? I know 2 survivors of the Kamloops school. I may know more, I don't know, because they didn't talk about it.
Ferry, .. knowing about something, and having to do anything with that are two entirely different things. No one in right mind denies injustices from the past, but using such events to impose guilt on later generations, and often using grievances for political purposes is not just counterproductive for the entire society, but also harmful toward those who suffered those injustices.

I have also decided, ... due to the sensitivity of this, and my strong views on this matter, I will recluse myself from further discussion in this topic.
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oldtrucker wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:46 pm
W105 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:09 am can you imagine receiving this letter ??


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To bad this O'Grady guy isn't still alive....I'd like to pay him a visit with a copy of the letter, some salt and pepper and a glass of water to make it go down easier.
We have a number of friends in Kamloops, many are long-time catholics and still talk highly of O'Grady and their church. They seem to be oblivious to the dark past of O'Grady and other priests.
When they're talking about their church there's this deep set smile on their faces, and their eyes are moist. They are so proud of their catholic religion. :swear:
How can people be so hypocritical?

As for O'Grady, they might want to do a little digging around the old La Jac residential school, as he spent a lot of time in the Prince George area.
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BC Landlord wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:00 pm Ferry, .. knowing about something, and having to do anything with that are two entirely different things. No one in right mind denies injustices from the past, but using such events to impose guilt on later generations, and often using grievances for political purposes is not just counterproductive for the entire society, but also harmful toward those who suffered those injustices.

I have also decided, ... due to the sensitivity of this, and my strong views on this matter, I will recluse myself from further discussion in this topic.
It is a very recent past. Maybe someone should have investigated before now?
Glacier wrote: May 29th, 2021, 10:01 pm Kevin Arnette had evidence for the graves 12 years ago, but the government didn't seem interested in looking into the matter further... https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/c ... 1.24324160
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bb49 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:13 pm
As for O'Grady, they might want to do a little digging around the old La Jac residential school, as he spent a lot of time in the Prince George area.
They need to check every single residential school.
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sherashera wrote: May 30th, 2021, 1:18 pm
BC Landlord wrote: May 29th, 2021, 7:19 am
I am not saying there have not been some injustices toward these people in the past, but there is not a single ethnicity under the sun that hasn't felt injustices in one way or another, at some point in time. Today's generations of Canadians have nothing to do with it. I am an immigrant to this country, and I have never owned a slave, killed someone, nor had any of my ancestors done any of that. And I paid dearly for every square inch of land I own. I have nothing to "reconcile" with anyone. Get over it, and move on.
Natives tend to not get over things, and demand demand demand. We're now in 2021 and this happened how many years ago? That's correct, today's generation of Canadians have nothing to do with this.

There are currently 80,000 residential school survivors alive in Canada. There may be someone walking or sitting right beside you in your daily life who went to residential school. You can be in your 20's right now, in Canada and be a residential school survivor.







It is estimated more than 150,000 children attended residential schools in Canada from the 1830s until the last school closed in 1996
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ferri wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:18 pm
bb49 wrote: May 30th, 2021, 2:13 pm
As for O'Grady, they might want to do a little digging around the old La Jac residential school, as he spent a lot of time in the Prince George area.
They need to check every single residential school.
I think that will come with time.

I had coffee with a band council member this morning and spoke to him a little about it.
His father went to a residential schools and didn't say much good about it.
I at least hope some were better.
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For those of you arguing that these places were used to "educate" what have you got to say about this?

...highly unethical nutrition experiments performed on Canadian Aboriginal children at six residential schools between 1942 and 1952 (2) – our own medical atrocities. The experiments were performed by the Department of Indian Affairs of Canada under the direction of two physicians...In these experiments, parents were not informed, nor were consents obtained. Even as children died, the experiments continued. Even after the recommendations from the Nuremberg trial, these experiments continued.

In these experiments, control and treatment groups of mal-nourished children were denied adequate nutrition. In one experiment, the treatment group received supplements of riboflavin, thiamine and/or ascorbic acid supplements to determine whether these mitigated the problems – they did not. In another, children were given a flour mix containing added thiamine, riboflavin, niacin and bone meal. Rather than improving nutrition, the children became more anemic, likely contributing to more deaths and certainly impacting development. In these experiments, efforts were made to control as many factors as possible, even when they harmed the research subjects. For example, previously available dental care was denied in some settings because the researchers wanted to observe the state of dental caries and gingivitis with malnutrition.

How could we have let this happen? Why did we not know about this long before now? Why did these experiments not stop when the Nuremberg Code was put forward?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941673/
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coffeeFreak wrote: May 30th, 2021, 4:13 pm Why did these experiments not stop when the Nuremberg Code was put forward?
Maybe because post war the only thing that mattered at the time to Allied gov'ts was to appease the masses in a perceived form of official recognition of war crimes- thereby negating the responsibility of Allied nations to follow their own judgments?
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The insensitive comments about Res schools needs to stop. Now.
Else I'll be banned for telling you to go :cuss: yourself
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