Crane collapse downtown

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TylerM4 wrote: Jul 13th, 2021, 4:30 pm
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 13th, 2021, 3:29 pm When it is all said and done and the dust settles - I think this incident will have an impact on the rubber stamping of these towers going up down town. And IMO will have an impact on high cranes and their proximity to other buildings/residents/businesses in the area. That's the big take away from this incident. When I was in class for a safety course at BCIT - a worksafe guest speaker put it best. Many sections and addendums to the safety guide and regulations was unfortunately written in blood.

This incident was a gigantic tragedy. It was 2 interior companies on the rise to new heights. And now there will be a lot of question marks to answer.
I think you're over estimating the long term impact of this accident.

While tall buildings are new to Kelowna. They're not new to the rest of the world. As mentioned by a previous poster - crane collapses occur globally on a weekly basis. Big impact to Kelowna where we've never seen one before, but globally it's just another week.

I really doubt this will have any impact on approval of additional high rises. Construction techniques aren't even a consideration when it comes to approval - CoK has absolutely zero influence or care when it comes to that topic. There's a reason it's called "National Building Code" and not "Kelowna Building Code" ;)

"As mentioned by a previous poster - crane collapses occur globally on a weekly basis"

Great. So business as usual. Cranes collapse every day, people can die. It's just a part of the job description... Hey, you signed the contract!
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Scrobins94 wrote: Jul 13th, 2021, 11:47 pmGreat. So business as usual. Cranes collapse every day, people can die. It's just a part of the job description... Hey, you signed the contract!
Excellent observation. The innuendo of business is business or I know better about things because status quo - is why safety is a big part of construction these days. I have a couple of friends in Worksafe. This incident will make things very uncomfortable for a large group of people at Stemmer and at Mission Group. That's what happens in an investigation. It's black and white. And I don't revel in that at all. That's not to say that there was malfeasance by The Stemmers or at Mission group. You would have to be insane if you think they wanted this tragedy to happen. And it makes things even more sad.

It illustrates the impact this incident will have on our city. Whether it was the paramedic rescue that had to see these poor unfortunate souls dead. Or the RCMP that may have seen these poor workers dead. Or the neighbors in buildings that thought there was an earthquake or saw things happen live. How about the many tradesmen on site - a peer of their own didn't make it home. Or how about those in offices where people just barely made it out but by the grace of god. It even has an effect on people who frequent these forums - I have been thinking about this incident a lot. Its sad.
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I saw the video vacancyrate is referring too and yes it looks as though the one worker isn't wearing any fall restraints. If his family plans on suing they wont get far based on the video.
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I hope these people are successful.

Recovery mission in day 3
Specialized team arrives to help retrieve body from Kelowna crane collapse rubble

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just saw on the news that the 5th person has been recovered..
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^^^Body was recovered around midnight by the specialized team brought in.

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Just so sad and can't imagine the chaos down there.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 3:08 am Excellent observation. The innuendo of business is business or I know better about things because status quo - is why safety is a big part of construction these days. I have a couple of friends in Worksafe. This incident will make things very uncomfortable for a large group of people at Stemmer and at Mission Group. That's what happens in an investigation. It's black and white. And I don't revel in that at all. That's not to say that there was malfeasance by The Stemmers or at Mission group. You would have to be insane if you think they wanted this tragedy to happen. And it makes things even more sad.
All I said is that crane collapses happen frequently and it's unlikely that investigations in Kelowna will uncover some great new understanding or finding or safety protocol(s). This is a fact. I'm sorry it's not a fact you like, but getting upset about it isn't going to change anything. Facts are NOT opinions. I have not shared my opinion - you've fabricated one and attempted to stick it in my mouth.

To imply that by sharing that fact I'm brushing off the seriousness or impact on those closely involved is just silly.
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So if Kelowna Fire Department had to bring in a specialized team to perform the rescue, is it now fair to say that Kelowna isn't even proportionately prepared for high rise emergencies? You've all heard me before, but this is just a sneak peak at the possible realities of what is to come if we don't grow properly before putting up the tallest towers in Western Canada.

Condolences to all involved. Let's make this a point of change. Not many in this city even want to see high rises. Now it's time to reflect on why we are endangering lives in order to provide housing that no one local wants.
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just_browsing wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:39 am So if Kelowna Fire Department had to bring in a specialized team to perform the rescue, is it now fair to say that Kelowna isn't even proportionately prepared for high rise emergencies?
No, it's not fair to say. Highly specialized teams like this are always shared - if you read the story carefully you'll see that there are only 6 of these teams for the entire country.
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Good point! These teams are only located where they are needed. Kelowna doesn't need them. We are only building the tallest towers in Western Canada.
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just_browsing wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:47 am Good point! These teams are only located where they are needed. Kelowna doesn't need them.
Nope, they travel the country to be where they're needed.

Just like we always have to wait for a bomb disposal unit to show up because we don't have one locally nor do we need one.

Just like the police ERT team that is also rotates through out the province and we don't have one locally nor do we need one.
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Even Steven wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:55 am
just_browsing wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:47 am Good point! These teams are only located where they are needed. Kelowna doesn't need them. (*sarcasm*)
Nope, they travel the country to be where they're needed.
Exactly. They're only needed when there's a failure. To suggest that Kelowna needs a team permanently positioned here is to suggest there's a high likelihood of failure. The numbers won't support that.

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