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Since I wasn't able to get my post on the Conservative's many scandals in the other thread, I thought I would start this one.

How many ethics probes did Stephen Harper face in his decade as Canada’s Prime Minister?
So this isn't really a fair question as the ethics commission was formed during Harpers time in office. That said Harper was not investigated by the ethics commission, but his government faced 8 ethics investigations from July 2007 till Trudeau took over. Quite a few high profile ministers in Harpers government were investigated during their 9 years in power while the ethics commission existed. Of those 8 investigations wrong doing was confirmed in 5 of them.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-ethics-p ... e-Minister

Harper brought in the toothless Ethics Legislation and purposely made it weak because he didn't want his own party members ensnared in their own ethics legislation. On top of that he appointed an ineffective and pro-Harper commissioner to head the Ethics Commission.
“Ethics Commissioner Mary Dawson is so ineffective that the media, not her, have revealed all of the ethics violations in federal politics in the past five years, while she has let dozens of Conservatives off the hook for clear violations and made more than 80 secret rulings, and so clearly the ethics law needs to be strengthened to ensure proper and effective enforcement and thousands of Canadians are calling on the House Committee to strongly recommend these and other key changes to stop unethical politicians and lobbyists.”
https://lietracker.ca/2019/04/25/conservative-scandals/

I wonder if Contempt of Parliament counts as an ethics violation, Im thinking it does, then it would be Harper 2 to JT's none.

Here's a start of that list too......

Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/H ... wer-Final/

101 scandalous, unethical or just plain sad Harper government moments

https://web.archive.org/web/20200212043 ... nt_moments
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foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 10:01 am Since I wasn't able to get my post on the Conservative's many scandals in the other thread, I thought I would start this one.

How many ethics probes did Stephen Harper face in his decade as Canada’s Prime Minister?
So this isn't really a fair question as the ethics commission was formed during Harpers time in office. That said Harper was not investigated by the ethics commission, but his government faced 8 ethics investigations from July 2007 till Trudeau took over. Quite a few high profile ministers in Harpers government were investigated during their 9 years in power while the ethics commission existed. Of those 8 investigations wrong doing was confirmed in 5 of them.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-ethics-p ... e-Minister

Harper brought in the toothless Ethics Legislation and purposely made it weak because he didn't want his own party members ensnared in their own ethics legislation. On top of that he appointed an ineffective and pro-Harper commissioner to head the Ethics Commission.
“Ethics Commissioner Mary Dawson is so ineffective that the media, not her, have revealed all of the ethics violations in federal politics in the past five years, while she has let dozens of Conservatives off the hook for clear violations and made more than 80 secret rulings, and so clearly the ethics law needs to be strengthened to ensure proper and effective enforcement and thousands of Canadians are calling on the House Committee to strongly recommend these and other key changes to stop unethical politicians and lobbyists.”
https://lietracker.ca/2019/04/25/conservative-scandals/

I wonder if Contempt of Parliament counts as an ethics violation, Im thinking it does, then it would be Harper 2 to JT's none.

Here's a start of that list too......

Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/H ... wer-Final/

101 scandalous, unethical or just plain sad Harper government moments

https://web.archive.org/web/20200212043 ... nt_moments
Oh, look ............. Harper
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Conservative scandals under which Conservative government, all of them ? Should someone start a thread about scandals under past Liberal governments ? That would be a very long list...... I think intelligent people only want to discuss the current cast of characters currently involved in Canadian politics..
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We are getting close to an election and as you know reading over Castaneters' comments, it's obvious to me that bad memories like bad smells have faded over time. What great ways to relive all those corruptions and scandals that used to occur on a seemingly daily basis from when the Conservatives were last in power.

Is Harper Canada's worst prime minister?

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/0 ... y-part-two

THE LAST 10 YEARS OF STEPHEN HARPER

https://moiz.ca/harper/

50 Reasons To Dump Harper: A Decade of Scandals Revisited

http://tomduck.ca/posts/2015-10-06_50-r ... arper.html

Wow....talk about an endless supply of these things [icon_lol2.gif] ........
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Hurtlander wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 10:57 am Conservative scandals under which Conservative government, all of them ? Should someone start a thread about scandals under past Liberal governments ? That would be a very long list...... I think intelligent people only want to discuss the current cast of characters currently involved in Canadian politics..
I think the last Conservative government is fair game as it represents what they had done the last time they were in power especially since their policies seemed to not have change at all.
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Hurtlander wrote: Conservative scandals under which Conservative government, all of them ? Should someone start a thread about scandals under past Liberal governments ? That would be a very long list...... I think intelligent people only want to discuss the current cast of characters currently involved in Canadian politics.
I agree and think a list of scandals under any and all political our political parties would indeed be very long. I’m wondering if many voters haven’t come close to reaching the point where they don’t even care anymore because all the parities are corrupt and not to be trusted. I was talking about voting corrupt governments out of power long ago, but many people will still vote out of economic self-interest or along ideological or partisan lines no matter what. If the label of being corrupt and unethical gets applied to every party (and it could be possible this opinion is spreading) then that becomes less of an issue to people than what the parties are saying they are going to do and how they’re going to spend (or not spend) our money.
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Hurtlander wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 10:57 am I think intelligent people only want to discuss the current cast of characters currently involved in Canadian politics..
Pierre Elliot Trudeau is mentioned on these forums on a daily basis.
The man passed away 21 years ago.
Harper is fair game.
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PoplarSoul wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:03 pm
Hurtlander wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 10:57 am I think intelligent people only want to discuss the current cast of characters currently involved in Canadian politics..
Pierre Elliot Trudeau is mentioned on these forums on a daily basis.
The man passed away 21 years ago.
Harper is fair game.
Especially when he is still the heart and soul of the "new" CPC. Wasn't he the legend and the honoured guest at the CPC's last Convention playing power broker?
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Regardless of the party, the "scandals" are almost always there.

Some of that, regardless of the stripe of the party, is spun up nonsense. Some of it is opposition parties crying wolf. Some of it is invented by click bait operations.

It is also a matter of perspective. For me personally, two things that stand out from the CPC years is the sell out of Stelco workers, and the destruction of Canada's R&D of safe nuclear power options. Other folks won't care about those same issues.

Perhaps the most egregious is the destruction of Canada's R&D of safe nuclear power options. I am in the camp that feels we will need those safe nuclear power options in the future. It is a travesty that a Canadian company looking to develop commercially viable fusion power is forced to so in the UK because Canada has lost its national ability to support such activity.

Such short sighted moves as destroying Canada's safe nuclear R&D on the altar of bogus "fiscal restraint" by the CPC is coming back to bite them. CPC dominated Alberta now wants safe nuclear - and the overall effort and infrastructure to make it happen is gone thanks to the CPC. So instead of Canadian jobs, any such move by Alberta will most likely support American jobs at a time when Canadians would like to have those good paying jobs...
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PoplarSoul wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:03 pm

Pierre Elliot Trudeau is mentioned on these forums on a daily basis.
The man passed away 21 years ago.
Harper is fair game.
The thing is though, PET was a total scumbag, while Harper was one of the best prime ministers in history. Harper can be "fair game" all you want, but anything negative you say about him is just going to be a lie.
Justin Trudeau- racist, elitist, liar. What a sick piece of garbage.

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Justin Trudeau- racist, elitist, liar. What a sick piece of garbage.

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jul 16th, 2021, 10:51 am
PoplarSoul wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:03 pm

Pierre Elliot Trudeau is mentioned on these forums on a daily basis.
The man passed away 21 years ago.
Harper is fair game.
The thing is though, PET was a total scumbag, while Harper was one of the best prime ministers in history. Harper can be "fair game" all you want, but anything negative you say about him is just going to be a lie.
Ahhhh........let's re-live some of those glory years, hey? :biggrin:
More serious for the Conservatives is that the Senate scandal might reopen the vault on the larger abuse-of-power narrative that has dogged the Harper government. It may be seen as a microcosm of the serial breaches of the public trust: the undercover dirty tricks, the smear campaigns against opponents, the altering of official documents, the democracy-shredding omnibus bills.

If you wanted to go into detail, you could fill an entire page of news print with the ethical transgressions of this government that have undermined the democratic process.

They've become so common they hardly make news any more. A recent example is Bill C-51, the new and widely condemned security legislation that interferes with Canadians' privacy. What did the Conservatives do? They voted to block Canada's privacy commissioner from testifying at committee hearings on the bill. It's a small example of how petty and pathetically partisan they are.

They have plenty of enablers, though. The apologists point to other governments and, like children, they say, "Oh, but they did it too." You can always find an example from the past to try and excuse your present-day delinquence. But the Harper enablers are way off in trying to invoke relativism. On the moral bankruptcy charts, this government is leagues ahead of its forerunners.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... e23812631/

It's good thing for Harper that they installed a patsy like Mary Dawson to head the Ethics Commission or there would have 100's of ethical breeches when Harper was running things.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jul 16th, 2021, 10:51 am Harper can be "fair game" all you want, but anything negative you say about him is just going to be a lie.
FIPA for 2 pandas is negative and true.
Canadian governments are locked in for a generation. If Canada finds the deal unsatisfactory, it cannot be cancelled completely for 31 years.
China benefits much more than Canada, because of a clause allowing existing restrictions in each country to stay in place. Chinese companies get to play on a relatively level field in Canada, while maintaining wildly arbitrary practices and rules for Canadian companies in China.
Chinese companies will be able to seek redress against any laws passed by any level of government in Canada which threaten their profits. Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example.
Cases will be decided by a panel of professional arbitrators, and may be kept secret at the discretion of the sued party. This extraordinary provision reflects an aversion to transparency and public debate common to the Harper cabinet and the Chinese politburo.
Differences between FIPA and the North American Free Trade Agreement may offer intriguing loopholes for American lawyers to argue for equal treatment under the principle of Most Favoured Nation.
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