Crane collapse downtown

[nucksRnum1]

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[nucksRnum1]

I wonder where some of those posting here, get their information.
First, there was one man, the operator was on the crane when it fell
Two Stemmer brothers and owners of the Leibherr crane were on the ground, along with a 21 year old who was on his first day of work.(He had worked for the Stemmer's in the past, several years ago)
The vertical, not the horizontal was collapsing at the top triangular building support, but stayed at the vertical.The boom had fallen
The lower support is where the workman was seen making his way back to safety in the building from the vertical, still standing after the collapse.
It is interesting that there is no training for crane workers or operators, as now advocated by the Operating Engineers, and as they have been doing for many years.
Also noted how quick CEO Mission Group Jonathon Freisen quickly distanced the Mission group: " the crane and operators were not part of his work force."
Working on the cheap, non union, untrained is a way of the world now.
Would proper training have prevented this terrible accident? Maybe. maybe not.Engineering analysis that will come might provide some answers.

I agree with you in regards to your query in regards to union workers. And I personally don't think it would have happened. Because unions and workers have to keep their noses squeaky clean. Other wise every Tom, Dick and Harry who was jealous of the union workers would be all over their government party for it. People always say how slow unions did things. But there were hardly any injuries neither. Most times being methodical and practical is better than "git er done"! and then whoops!

MG and CEO can try to distance themselves if they like. But it wont make a difference. Every rock will be turned - and every document will be exposed.

[Vacancyrate]

Mommas lost babies . Wives lost husbands . Children lost daddy's ..

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The crane workers were very well paid for the risks they took on willingly.

They were not public servants that died in the line of duty.

They were people trying to make money building luxury condos.

The guy in the office did not assume risk willingly nor was he paid to do so. The office workers actions, behavior, attitude and conduct have no bearing at all on the accident that occurred. He might have been a terrible person and didnt even believe in Santa Claus or ever wear his seat belt - but that has nothing to do with the accident and nobody is talking about that.

The operators/workers were ultimately the ones responsible here. Their actions, behavior, attitude and conduct on the job are all RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION and it is actually disrespectful to the office worker to start putting these people above critique. Are we talking about the PERSONAL LIVES or character of the deceased? No, we're talking about their actions on the job and their work-related Instagram accounts.

I feel bad for everyone involved but 99.9% chance the crane didnt just fail on it's own.

[nucksRnum1]

[blais65]

Whoaa,he's not WCB,but we all know that this will be a huge part of there investigation and most likely come to the same conclusions that many have come to....Human error caused this tragedy.

[crookedmember]

***They*** posted a video of them without PPE and the fact they were filming a commercial for internet fame minutes before the crane killed 5 people.

I looked on their Instagram.

That's what ***they*** posted.

This will likely impact insurance payouts and not in a good way for the contractor and the developer.

[nucksRnum1]

This will likely impact insurance payouts and not in a good way for the contractor and the developer.

Who pays and why will be an interesting legal battle. There are sites where you are not permitted phones on site. I wonder how this incident will impact the use of phones and social media. I also have a suspicion that the operator wasnt wearing a seat belt. I have done some safety and getting equipment operators to wear seat belts was a nightmare. And you knew that they took it off as soon as you turned your back. Not saying that the seatbelt would have helped per se. But it would be an indication of the attitude and culture of the safety in that company.

[Scrobins94]

Asking basic questions and noticing that workers are not wearing basic PPE and posting to Instagram on their cell phones a minute before a crane fell on a office worker and killed him is RESPECTING THE DEAD.

Amen.

I'm still waiting to hear something from Mission Group that isn't cookie cutter press release "our thoughts are with bla bla bla" while they lawyer up and wait for this to fade away from people's minds and the media.

[Scrobins94]

What a terrible summer this has been. First the KSS kids and now this. I feel so bad for those poor guys and their families. I wonder if the rush to get these buildings up is causing companies to compromise safety.

They are behind schedule. I believe this tower was due spring 2021.

[crookedmember]

They are behind schedule. I believe this tower was due spring 2021.

The cab portion of the crane crashed down the elevator shaft and collapsed one of the floors below. Wondering how extensive the damage is . . . and if people might be anxious about moving into this tower, especially after the reports come out.

[60-YEARS-in-Ktown]

EVERYTHING will be Inspected, Repaired, Inspected again before anyone moves in there..
So you can rest now and not worry about it, they are taking care of it..

[cv23]

The cab portion of the crane crashed down the elevator shaft and collapsed one of the floors below.

Not true. The crane was mounted on the exterior of the building and the cab fell outside the building. The elevator shaft forms part of the central core in the center of the building no where near where the crane was mounted or fell.

Wondering how extensive the damage is . . . and if people might be anxious about moving into this tower, especially after the reports come out.

Any damaged areas of the building will be repaired then inspected and done so far in excess of any inspections done on the rest of the building

[crookedmember]

This will likely impact insurance payouts and not in a good way for the contractor and the developer.

Who pays and why will be an interesting legal battle. There are sites where you are not permitted phones on site. I wonder how this incident will impact the use of phones and social media. I also have a suspicion that the operator wasnt wearing a seat belt. I have done some safety and getting equipment operators to wear seat belts was a nightmare. And you knew that they took it off as soon as you turned your back. Not saying that the seatbelt would have helped per se. But it would be an indication of the attitude and culture of the safety in that company.

One question will probably be did MG's safety officer know the crane operator had been posting to instagram for months.

[Even Steven]

One question will probably be did MG's safety officer know the crane operator had been posting to instagram for months.

Well, posting pretty pictures on Instagram is one thing - and most pictures they have are whatever, nothing special though there's couple of questionable.

However, the story/video that was saved before it became unavailable (as they disappear after 24 hours) was rather damning.

[Mrmarvingardens]

Ultimately, the building will be completed, and to quote Mission Group CEO Jonathan Friesen early on when the marketing began"they can be purchased and rented out when you are not there"