Electric Vehicles

[Bsuds]

regular wear and tear and passenger loads.

That has to be an issue in the US where that load could be excessive!

[OKkayak]

That has to be an issue in the US where that load could be excessive!

[rustled]

Some Osoyoos gas stations have run out of fuel because so many people are filling up because of the wildfire,
https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... ut-of-fuel
and at the same time Fortis is asking people to reduce electrical usage.
https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... reduce-use

This got me thinking about how much infrastructure we'll need in an emergency once we're more reliant on electric vehicles. It seems unlikely we'd build enough capacity for these relatively rare events, so one of the consequences of greater reliance on EVs may be fewer people able to drive any distance during an emergency.

[TylerM4]

This got me thinking about how much infrastructure we'll need in an emergency once we're more reliant on electric vehicles. It seems unlikely we'd build enough capacity for these relatively rare events, so one of the consequences of greater reliance on EVs may be fewer people able to drive any distance during an emergency.

Yup. Plus there's always the option of using a portable generator in a pinch.

[spooker]

Some Osoyoos gas stations have run out of fuel because so many people are filling up because of the wildfire,
https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... ut-of-fuel
and at the same time Fortis is asking people to reduce electrical usage.
https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... reduce-use

This got me thinking about how much infrastructure we'll need in an emergency once we're more reliant on electric vehicles. It seems unlikely we'd build enough capacity for these relatively rare events, so one of the consequences of greater reliance on EVs may be fewer people able to drive any distance during an emergency.

How far do you expect people to have to go?

My aunt has a Nissan Leaf and a Toyota Rav4 Hybrid ... most their driving is done in the Leaf and they installed a Level2 charger at home (their son and his wife also have a Leaf and share use of the charger) ... they're quite happy with the setup ... getting around town doesn't require gas ... unless you're trying to outrun the fallout of a nuclear bomb can't see most current EVs having an issue

[rustled]

Some Osoyoos gas stations have run out of fuel because so many people are filling up because of the wildfire,
https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... ut-of-fuel
and at the same time Fortis is asking people to reduce electrical usage.
https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... reduce-use

This got me thinking about how much infrastructure we'll need in an emergency once we're more reliant on electric vehicles. It seems unlikely we'd build enough capacity for these relatively rare events, so one of the consequences of greater reliance on EVs may be fewer people able to drive any distance during an emergency.

How far do you expect people to have to go?

My aunt has a Nissan Leaf and a Toyota Rav4 Hybrid ... most their driving is done in the Leaf and they installed a Level2 charger at home (their son and his wife also have a Leaf and share use of the charger) ... they're quite happy with the setup ... getting around town doesn't require gas ... unless you're trying to outrun the fallout of a nuclear bomb can't see most current EVs having an issue

I don't know how far most of the people filling up at gas stations in Osoyoos think they'll need to go. The mayors of Osoyoos and Oliver have asked tourists to go home, so the coast? Calgary? Nor do I know how many of them would have already have been more than half-charged when the fire erupted.

Point is, if most of them were driving EVs today, they'd be plugging in instead of pumping gas into their tanks, while Fortis is saying "reduce usage". Something to think about as we consider Trudeau's expectation that all new cars and light trucks sold in Canada by X shall be electric.

[spooker]

How far do you expect people to have to go?

My aunt has a Nissan Leaf and a Toyota Rav4 Hybrid ... most their driving is done in the Leaf and they installed a Level2 charger at home (their son and his wife also have a Leaf and share use of the charger) ... they're quite happy with the setup ... getting around town doesn't require gas ... unless you're trying to outrun the fallout of a nuclear bomb can't see most current EVs having an issue

I don't know how far most of the people filling up at gas stations in Osoyoos think they'll need to go. The mayors of Osoyoos and Oliver have asked tourists to go home, so the coast? Calgary? Nor do I know how many of them would have already have been more than half-charged when the fire erupted.

Point is, if most of them were driving EVs today, they'd be plugging in instead of pumping gas into their tanks, while Fortis is saying "reduce usage". Something to think about as we consider Trudeau's expectation that all new cars and light trucks sold in Canada by X shall be electric.

If most of them were driving EVs the infrastructure would probably be better fitted for having more EVs ... more places to put in fast chargers than there are places to build a gas station ... while today people struggle with charging that won't be the same tomorrow ... we can certainly say the weather is changing, isn't change the only guaranteed thing there is? we have to roll with it instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending everything will always be the same ...

[Jlabute]

If most of them were driving EVs, there wouldn't be enough places to charge and there would be long line-ups because it takes too long to charge.

Two other things EVs do not like are cold weather and hot weather. Each drains the batteries further as the vehicle needs to manage battery temperatures as well as cabin temperatures.

Also, a tank of gas can sit for months. An undriven EV will be dead in a one to two weeks since the battery is drained 24H a day.

Ideal battery technology and charging is a ways off. It is why talks of battery swapping is coming in to the foreground.

[TylerM4]

I'd love to own an all electric vehicle.

We're a two vehicle family. The electric vehicle could become the "regular family wagon" while my pickup could be used for long trips, hauling, etc.

The only thing keeping me from buying one is the business case. Overall - it's still cheaper to buy a gasoline vehicle and the fuel to put in it. Couple that with the newness of the tech, the challenges getting appropriate service/parts, etc - and I'm not willing to go there yet. Perhaps in another 5 years.

[ckil]

This is interesting. I always wondered how lost gas and energy tax revenue would be recouped.

Sustainability taxes: With the world undergoing an energy transformation in coming decades, governments will need replacements for fuel and carbon taxes. Some revenue will be made up by eventually eliminating expensive electronic vehicle (EV) subsidies and tax concessions, but that won’t be enough. Besides, electric cars, being heavier, cause even more road damage than internal combustion cars so eventually they’re likely to be taxed. Already 28 U.S. states have extra registration fees for electric cars while some Australian states have an annual road tax (AUS$500) on EVs. The U.K. is considering an EV road tax based on distance travelled. And toll charges may come into greater use.

Sustainability taxes may make their way into the investment world, too. With the loss of royalties from fossil fuel industries, governments may look to higher taxes on wind, solar, nuclear and other projects.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/jack- ... ttle-taxes

[OKkayak]

This is interesting. I always wondered how lost gas and energy tax revenue would be recouped.

Sustainability taxes: With the world undergoing an energy transformation in coming decades, governments will need replacements for fuel and carbon taxes. Some revenue will be made up by eventually eliminating expensive electronic vehicle (EV) subsidies and tax concessions, but that won’t be enough. Besides, electric cars, being heavier, cause even more road damage than internal combustion cars so eventually they’re likely to be taxed. Already 28 U.S. states have extra registration fees for electric cars while some Australian states have an annual road tax (AUS$500) on EVs. The U.K. is considering an EV road tax based on distance travelled. And toll charges may come into greater use.

Sustainability taxes may make their way into the investment world, too. With the loss of royalties from fossil fuel industries, governments may look to higher taxes on wind, solar, nuclear and other projects.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/jack- ... ttle-taxes

Vancouver is eyeing a parking tax come 2023, EVs will most certainly having to pay their share which will be more and more down the road, and a toll to enter the city core is also still on the table.

The taxman cometh

[Babba_not_Gump]

What was Tesla thinking?
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesl ... mandatory/
The highly polarizing and kind of dumb steering setup on the recently redone Model S is all you get.
Oh, but then the car is doing all the driving, so no need to stress about it.

[nucksRnum1]

Saw a few on coke last week. Must have decent range now.

[BC Landlord]

What was Tesla thinking?
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesl ... mandatory/

Looks like an inverted F1 steering "wheel".

[TylerM4]

Saw a few on coke last week. Must have decent range now.

Yup. Tesla's made in the last 5 years have had the ability. From Vancouver:
Standard range model - you can make it into Merritt and will need to visit the charging station for 30+ min to get you the rest of the way.
Extended range model - Can just make it to Kelowna. Go straight to your destination or somewhere else to charge.