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With temperatures set to increase between 35-39 degrees Celsius through the long weekend, residents in the Osoyoos area are asked to lower their energy use between 4 p.m. to 8 p.m., the peak time of energy use.
Some ways you can reduce your energy use include:.......
They missed the best way.
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JagXKR wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 12:16 pm https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... ower-lines
With temperatures set to increase between 35-39 degrees Celsius through the long weekend, residents in the Osoyoos area are asked to lower their energy use between 4 p.m. to 8 p.m., the peak time of energy use.
Some ways you can reduce your energy use include:.......
They missed the best way.
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The world needs more reliable energy for EVs and computers. I've made fun of California for not allowing electric vehicles to be charged during certain times of the day. NOW we see California messing with gamers and the computers they attempt to purchase.

Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states due to power regulations. All made possible by the CEC as of July 1, 2021.

Such as:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/gaming- ... ryzr10v11h
This product cannot be shipped to the states of California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont or Washington due to power consumption regulations adopted by those states," the website says. "Any orders placed that are bound for those states will be canceled.

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And come December 9, 2021, "computers with high-speed networking capability, multi-screen notebooks, notebooks with cyclical behavior, and monitors with high refresh rates" will be covered by the rules.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/26/dell_energy_pcs/
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^^^
Amazing how much demand is coming for electricity. Everything is going electric and so many out there are oblivious to it.
If Horgan has any foresight he'll push for Site D and Site E.
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bb49 wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 1:31 pm ^^^
Amazing how much demand is coming for electricity. Everything is going electric and so many out there are oblivious to it.
If Horgan has any foresight he'll push for Site D and Site E.
I don't see any hydro ever being built again. We will double our electricity needs and then some by going electric, and all of that will have to come from natural gas. Coal is a no go, nuclear is a no go, hydro is a no go, and intermittent power sources can only make up a small fraction of the total, so they limited growth. Only natural gas could get past the regulators and protestors.
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Glacier wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 2:42 pm
I don't see any hydro ever being built again. We will double our electricity needs and then some by going electric, and all of that will have to come from natural gas. Coal is a no go, nuclear is a no go, hydro is a no go, and intermittent power sources can only make up a small fraction of the total, so they limited growth. Only natural gas could get past the regulators and protestors.
Why no more hydro?

Nuclear power is making a global comeback and sits solidly in 1st place when it comes to "new power generating plants being built". How is that a no-go?
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TylerM4 wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 2:48 pm
Why no more hydro?

Nuclear power is making a global comeback and sits solidly in 1st place when it comes to "new power generating plants being built". How is that a no-go?
The Environmentalist Lobby won't allow it. The Liard, Stikine, and Klinaklini Rivers were the most potential for hydro power, but the are very strong groups against this, which would create a huge headache for government that they would never want to touch.
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Glacier wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 3:01 pm
The Environmentalist Lobby won't allow it. The Liard, Stikine, and Klinaklini Rivers were the most potential for hydro power, but the are very strong groups against this, which would create a huge headache for government that they would never want to touch.
Yeah, but that's going to be the case with anything that's built. Nuclear, NG, Coal etc - there's always going to be very strong opposition from some group.
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Glacier wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 3:01 pm The Environmentalist Lobby won't allow it. The Liard, Stikine, and Klinaklini Rivers were the most potential for hydro power, but the are very strong groups against this, which would create a huge headache for government that they would never want to touch.
It is governments that actually make these groups strong, by caving in to their demands.
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TylerM4 wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 3:23 pm
Glacier wrote: Jul 29th, 2021, 3:01 pm
The Environmentalist Lobby won't allow it. The Liard, Stikine, and Klinaklini Rivers were the most potential for hydro power, but the are very strong groups against this, which would create a huge headache for government that they would never want to touch.
Yeah, but that's going to be the case with anything that's built. Nuclear, NG, Coal etc - there's always going to be very strong opposition from some group.
The thing is, in order to build a dam you need environmental assessments and First Nations consultation, and environmentalists exploit both of these to make sure nothing gets built. With a gas power plant it can be built on private land, so doesn't need the same consultations and assessments.
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There aren't many of them but it was bound to happen. Crews battle Tesla battery fire at Moorabool, near Geelong. You'd think they would have more robust measures to keep adjacent megapacks from burning.
A toxic blaze at the site of Australia's largest Tesla battery project is set to burn throughout the night. The fire broke out during testing of a Tesla megapack at the Victorian Big Battery site near Geelong.

A 13-tonne lithium battery was engulfed in flames, which then spread to an adjacent battery bank.

More than 150 people from Fire Rescue Victoria and the Country Fire Authority responded to the blaze, which has been contained and will be closely monitored until it burns itself out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/ ... /100337488
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Jlabute wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 5:53 pm There aren't many of them but it was bound to happen. Crews battle Tesla battery fire at Moorabool, near Geelong. You'd think they would have more robust measures to keep adjacent megapacks from burning.
A toxic blaze at the site of Australia's largest Tesla battery project is set to burn throughout the night. The fire broke out during testing of a Tesla megapack at the Victorian Big Battery site near Geelong.

A 13-tonne lithium battery was engulfed in flames, which then spread to an adjacent battery bank.

More than 150 people from Fire Rescue Victoria and the Country Fire Authority responded to the blaze, which has been contained and will be closely monitored until it burns itself out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/ ... /100337488
And it's not like relatable incidents haven't happened in the fossil fuel industry too ...
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spooker wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 6:13 pm And it's not like relatable incidents haven't happened in the fossil fuel industry too ...
And what relatable incidents in the fossil fuel industry have fires that they just let burn because water doesn't work?
https://www.upsbatterycenter.com/blog/e ... ery-fires/
This experiment shows that broken lithium batteries are considerably more toxic in the presence of water than other similar-size cells. Hence, we should avoid attempting to extinguish lithium battery fires with water. The primary reason is lithium burns in the air we breathe. And moreover reacts with water to form explosive hydrogen that may develop a chain reaction.
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JagXKR wrote: Jul 31st, 2021, 9:54 am
spooker wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 6:13 pm And it's not like relatable incidents haven't happened in the fossil fuel industry too ...
And what relatable incidents in the fossil fuel industry have fires that they just let burn because water doesn't work?
https://www.upsbatterycenter.com/blog/e ... ery-fires/
This experiment shows that broken lithium batteries are considerably more toxic in the presence of water than other similar-size cells. Hence, we should avoid attempting to extinguish lithium battery fires with water. The primary reason is lithium burns in the air we breathe. And moreover reacts with water to form explosive hydrogen that may develop a chain reaction.
"Relatable" in this case means that it is an industrial incident that has the potential to harm the environment ... and earlier this month one happened ...
In an eerie scene, ships poured fountains of water onto the flaming gulf. Reuters reported that Pemex’s crew used nitrogen to finally control the fire from the pipeline.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pemex-oi ... 1785dbb85e

But hey, let's take one instance of this fire at the Tesla site and never build another battery storage system again eh?
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Lithium fires are very intense. Lithium burns at 2,000C/3632F which is hot enough to melt steel (1500C), aluminum (660C), and burn through asbestos (1040C). So unlike gas or oil fires which are quickly put out, lithium fires are allowed to burn out since there are little to no options at this scale. It took 150 fire fighters??? If for some reason all the AC units stopped working in adjacent modules they might have heated much more quickly and exploded. A separation of 1 foot is not enough and firetrucks were spraying adjacent units.

Another cost to taxpayers, on top of the higher cost of renewables which can't replace base-load by themselves on top of multiple enormous megapacks which are needed to store itsy-bitsy tiny amounts of energy like an undersized UPS on a computer. After spending countless billions, it amounts to little payback after it all needs replacing before 20 years or less. All the while letting their base-load crumble away.

I am not a fan of renewables. Too much environmental damage and too few regulations to bring this stuff quickly to market. After all is said and done, Australia still suffers from too many power-outages, inflated prices, and power rationing. Australia announced this past June that payments of $2500/week will be made to businesses for pro-longed power-outages. It is capped at three weeks. Australians pay 3-1/2 times what we do for power. It is approaching the cost of rent for comfortable living.

Despite this, "environmentalists" still march through cities demanding that existing base-load be shut down. Anti-nuclear demonstrations occur despite there being no nuclear stations. Of all the G20 nations, Oz is an environmental outlier that has insanely prohibited nuclear.

Despite all the wasted money on batteries and turbines and no due attention to baseload, Australia's problems will continue to grow. Politicians are wondering how to warm people up to low emission coal and nuclear.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... lear-power
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Hopefully all fire departments are now setup for potential issues around EV in crashes etc.... etc.
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