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Trudeau gets caught flat footed by everything. You have to wonder where his mind is. Can you even imagine those poor people 's depending on him and his MP's :200:
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Smurf wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 3:32 pm Trudeau gets caught flat footed by everything. You have to wonder where his mind is. Can you even imagine those poor people 's depending on him and his MP's :200:
Nope. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, even with a competent leader at Canada's helm. This was a dreadful failure of Canadian governmental responsibilities, and IMO Trudeau's promises to take in refugees can never make it less of a massive failure.
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rustled wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 3:28 pm
bb49 wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 3:16 pm Justin had better hurry if he wants them here by September 20th.
We also have Canadians stuck in Afghanistan, though. Apparently they were told to travel to Kabul.

Trudeau was caught completely flat-footed on this. Opening the doors to refugees won't change how he neglected his responsibilities. Again.
No, the onus is on the Canadian that were caught in that position. What were they still doing there when we've had nothing to do with Afganistan for over 7 years? Where is there common sense when they can see the Taliban marching in like a flash flood?
JT barely had time to close our embassy and get our diplomatic personnel out. There comes a point where it's your own responsibility to get you and your family out of danger, not JT and the Canadian government.
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From Rex Murphy's column.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... stan-burns
If Trudeau wanted to show his bona fides as a self-styled male feminist, he would speak out forcefully for the rights of women and girls in Afghanistan and lay out a plan to help as many of them as possible. Yet on Sunday, as the Taliban rolled through the streets of Kabul, the prime minister’s press people issued a statement National Acadian Day, but not a peep about the women and girls who are being thrown to the Taliban wolves.
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bb49 wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 3:58 pm From Rex Murphy's column.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... stan-burns
If Trudeau wanted to show his bona fides as a self-styled male feminist, he would speak out forcefully for the rights of women and girls in Afghanistan and lay out a plan to help as many of them as possible. Yet on Sunday, as the Taliban rolled through the streets of Kabul, the prime minister’s press people issued a statement National Acadian Day, but not a peep about the women and girls who are being thrown to the Taliban wolves.
It won’t do to say that the events currently unfolding were a surprise. The Taliban have been running roughshod through Afghanistan for weeks, but the prime minister seems to have been singularly focused on calling an election. When the prime minister’s brain trust is pulling all-nighters working on the slickest campaign strategy, there aren’t too many well-paid neurons left over for a humanitarian disaster in the making.
Trudeau was, as usual, too busy playing his partisan games. As are, IMO, some here. Perhaps Rex is right about the majority:
I expect the majority of Canadians aren’t feeling very good about how things are turning out. I don’t know how anyone could feel anything but a deep unease that politics has chased out seriousness; that an election gamble was somehow seen as a better use of the governing party’s time than dealing with the deep obligations we voluntarily took on so long ago and are now, with apparent indifference and casualness, abandoning.
We shall see.
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It is worth remembering that Canada was militarily out of Afghanistan in 2014.

It is also worth remembering that we did have a program to accept Afghani interpreters for a short while: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/more-afg ... -1.1224633

"About 800 in total given immigration approval
The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 07, 2012 11:48 AM ET | Last Updated: October 7, 2012

A special program to offer a new life in Canada to people who acted as interpreters for Canadian soldiers and diplomats in Afghanistan — sometimes at the risk of their lives — has brought in nearly double the numbers expected.

Officials had planned for only 450 Afghans to eventually make the move when they began a special immigration program for interpreters and their families in 2009.

With Canada's combat mission ended and a year after the program stopped accepting applications, around 800 former interpreters and their families are now living across the country."

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"Allied countries set up special programs to help endangered workers leave Afghanistan as militaries began pulling out and Canada chose to follow suit in 2009, designing a policy to fast-track their entry as permanent residents.

It required applicants to have worked for 12 months for the Canadian government between 2007 and 2011 and to show their lives were in danger as a result.

The deadlines were controversial. Some of the bloodiest days of fighting in Kandahar were in 2006, effectively cutting off interpreters who worked only during that time period from access to the program.

Altogether, there were 622 applicants for the program, which was open to interpreters as well as Afghans who were injured while working for the Canadian government in Kandahar.

Initially, the government only accepted a fraction of cases, but earlier this year the prime minister ordered a review of hundreds of rejected applications."

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"While the United Kingdom is examining programs to protect former Afghan employees after 2014, the Canadian government has no such plan.

In March 2011, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney was given two options for the policy, a briefing note said. The first was to let the program end as planned.

"There is no obligation to create a new immigration program for those who will support the new mission," the briefing note said.

The second option was censored under provisions of access law that apply to advice to ministers, but Kenney signed off on the first option."

So for now, it is a mess. We have no military infrastructure or significant personnel in Afghanistan. Nor can we get any in. The only hope is if the Yanks can secure something of a "safe zone". Even then, how do you get people from all over Afghanistan TO whatever "safe zone" is set up?

TBH, the speed at which the Taliban took over the whole country astounded me. I thought ISIS moved fast in Iraq, but the Taliban made them look like snails. That has meant that there was no time for anyone to set anything up - not even the Yanks who were already there!

Realistically, there is no way that Canada can get 20,000 people out of Afganistan. Those at risk will have to cross in Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, or Turkmenistan somehow, some way, and then be picked up there. Part of that is that Al-Qaeda is still there in Afganistan and so people do need to be checked out - although that will be a nearly impossible task now.

It is a frustrating and awful situation. One would have thought that Biden would have recognized what would happen given ISIS marching into the power vacuum in Iraq - although the collapse of the Afghan forces makes that situation look good. Perhaps Biden did think that the Taliban would take over again - but knew that staying there forever was not doable.

It was always going to be mess. The Taliban arose and filled the power vacuum when the Soviets left "the graveyard of empires". The new power vacuum brings them back. It is a revolving tragedy of screw ups.
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hobbyguy wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 4:32 pm It is worth remembering that Canada was militarily out of Afghanistan in 2014.
So the idiot Justin has had six years to get the translators out of Afghanistan and didn't lift a finger. For shame Justin, you giant piece of human garbage.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 4:40 pm
hobbyguy wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 4:32 pm It is worth remembering that Canada was militarily out of Afghanistan in 2014.
So the idiot Justin has had six years to get the translators out of Afghanistan and didn't lift a finger. For shame Justin, you giant piece of human garbage.
They weren't translating for the Canadians but what humanitarian JT is in trying to bring them and 20,000 other Afghans out of the cesspool that the West had a hand in making.
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foenix wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 5:13 pm

They weren't translating for the Canadians
Yes they were. Enough with the lying. Justin Trudeau is a piece of garbage.
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If Canada bombs Afghanistan, we should also be responsible for refugees.

Don't want refugees? Don't participate in wars half way across the world.
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Even Steven wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 5:34 pm If Canada bombs Afghanistan, we should also be responsible for refugees.

Don't want refugees? Don't participate in wars half way across the world.
Not sure how much bombing we did. In fact I can't name one current Canadian bomber in action, not since WW2. I believe our contribution was forces on the ground. And it was the Liberals who committed us to the ground action in Afghanistan. AND, I do not think that was a bad decision, at the time. I do recall certain posters here trying to claim that it was Harper and the Conservatives who committed Canada to the war time effort in Afghanistan, and were rightly laughed at.

In any case, the commitment to Canadian troops in Afghanistan was shared between the Liberals and the Conservatives, and at the time, it was probably the right call. Now it's time to get those out of there that helped the war effort. They shouldn't be slaughtered for helping Canada abroad. Do the right thing Justin. We get that you are ignoring BC in this time of extreme peril, and that you hate the LGBTQ community so much that you killed their bill, but help these people before they are slaughtered. Do the right thing you brain-dead meat puppet. Before it's too late.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 5:21 pm
foenix wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 5:13 pm

They weren't translating for the Canadians
Yes they were. Enough with the lying. Justin Trudeau is a piece of garbage.
How can they be translating for us when we haven't been there since 2014. The Canadian Embassy has their own and they came back with the Canadian diplomats.
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hobbyguy wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 4:32 pm It is worth remembering that Canada was militarily out of Afghanistan in 2014.
Trudeau obviously didn't know what was happening in Afghanistan over the past few weeks, when the situation was deteriorating and our government should have been encouraging Canadians to make their way home safely.

He was caught flat-footed. As usual. Too busy figuring out whether or not it was a good time for his party to benefit from a snap election.

This is Trudeau to a T, and I'm not surprised to see who is making excuses for him. Again. This has nothing to do with the military or 2014.

Our government failed in its responsibility to the Canadians who should have left over the past few weeks, were told to go to Kabul and are now trapped in Afghanistan. Failed. That's on Trudeau. His government, his failure. Oh, but now he's offering to take refugees who have gotten out... I doubt the Canadians stuck in Kabul are impressed.
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rustled wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 6:00 pm
Trudeau obviously didn't know what was happening in Afghanistan over the past few weeks, when the situation was deteriorating and our government should have been encouraging Canadians to make their way home safely.

He was caught flat-footed. As usual. Too busy figuring out whether or not it was a good time for his party to benefit from a snap election.

This is Trudeau to a T, and I'm not surprised to see who is making excuses for him. Again. This has nothing to do with the military or 2014.

Our government failed in its responsibility to the Canadians who should have left over the past few weeks, were told to go to Kabul and are now trapped in Afghanistan. Failed. That's on Trudeau. His government, his failure. Oh, but now he's offering to take refugees who have gotten out...
You nailed it Rustled. Justin the man child failed Canada and their allies yet again. Is anyone surprised by this? Justin is trash that needs to be kicked to the curb
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rustled wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 6:00 pm
hobbyguy wrote: Aug 16th, 2021, 4:32 pm It is worth remembering that Canada was militarily out of Afghanistan in 2014.
Trudeau obviously didn't know what was happening in Afghanistan over the past few weeks, when the situation was deteriorating and our government should have been encouraging Canadians to make their way home safely.

He was caught flat-footed. As usual. Too busy figuring out whether or not it was a good time for his party to benefit from a snap election.

This is Trudeau to a T, and I'm not surprised to see who is making excuses for him. Again. This has nothing to do with the military or 2014.

Our government failed in its responsibility to the Canadians who should have left over the past few weeks, were told to go to Kabul and are now trapped in Afghanistan. Failed. That's on Trudeau. His government, his failure. Oh, but now he's offering to take refugees who have gotten out...
No it's the brain dead Canadians that decided to push their luck by gambling that the Taliban wouldn't take over Afghanistan as fast as they did. I'm not surprised tho, because there will always be PITA cases where despite the warnings and obviously signs that they are in danger, they ignore it, get caught out and are the first to whine about help.

I also get the fact, although it's on those individuals that missed the boat and blew it, there will always be partisan shrills that will always bark out the fault is with the government because................they're partisan DIs.

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