End the lockdown

[Rejigger]

...................................... ***WAKE UP CALL***...................................

Let's all try to keep up, here. The latest variant, Mu, is said to be "vaccine resistant" so we're all going to be considered unvaccinated in short time.

B.1.621 is the latest variant of interest, according to the WHO, and was given the designation — and a catchier Greek alphabet-based name, "mu" — on August 30.

"The mu variant has a constellation of mutations that indicate potential properties of immune escape," reads the WHO's latest weekly epidemiological update.

That means those with some level of immunity to earlier strains, either by previous infection or vaccination, might be susceptible to infection from mu — but that's only according to preliminary data and "needs to be confirmed by further studies," the update continued."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/latest-c ... -1.6161194

The Lambda COVID-19 variant is now spreading in Canada and Mu is the next variant that will arrive.

How effective is a vaxport then? Turns out the vaccine itself is ineffective against Mu. So now what?
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[W105]

You’re missing the key point that I was trying to make... When the federal government announced that all federally regulated employees must be fully vaccinated against Covid as a condition of employment, that’s most definitely being forced to put something into your body if you want to keep your job... Same goes for all healthcare workers that must be vaccinated to keep their jobs. Once again, I’m not arguing for or against the vaccine, I’m fully vaccinated with Pfizer, all I’m saying is that at some point down the road the Supreme Court of Canada will rule the compulsory vaccinations are a violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Hypothetically, what if some brilliant scientist discovers that Lysergic Acid Diethylamide actually 100% permanently cures Covid? Are you willing to force every Canadian 12 and older to take a hit of LSD ?

It cannot be considered "forced" if there is a choice. It may be a harsh one but it is a choice. Get the jab or get another job. It's not unreasonable.

Stop for a minute to consider the risks we all take every day with no thought at all. Then stop to consider the extremely minimal risk posed by the vaccine which is being vilified by people who have no GOOD reason to not take it. The common good is what is at stake and it is surprising how many people who truly are only seeing this from their own personal perspective.

Many of us have chosen for the common good to get vaccinated. It makes sense and it is the respectful thing to do.

And no, compulsory vaccines are not going to be quashed as a violation because of how it weighs against the common good which the charter makes provision for.

And who wouldn't wanna "take a trip and never leave the farm" (thanks Ray) if it meant 100% winnage? I'm in .

^^ with all due respect, you are retired Mexi..so this decision that get the jab or lose your job really doesn't affect your life, so it's easy to be a cheer leader for it..

can you imagine if you were told that when you turn 65 yrs old you will "have" to live in a senior's home ( who cares if you own your own home and that you can live independently ) because your a higher risk for getting sick and our Healthcare system can no longer handle dealing with seniors, so making you live a controlled environment is the only way our Government can protect "you" and our poor fragile Healthcare system...think you would be ok with that ??

[fluffy]

How effective is a vaxport then? Turns out the vaccine itself is ineffective against Mu. So now what?

This is a dynamic situation. There are so many of us that can't keep up with what we do know, is it really time to start throwing more unknown variables into the mix ?

[Rejigger]

How effective is a vaxport then? Turns out the vaccine itself is ineffective against Mu. So now what?

This is a dynamic situation. There are so many of us that can't keep up with what we do know, is it really time to start throwing more unknown variables into the mix ?

I believe it's exactly the time to throw known variables into the mix.

I've advocated in these forums for people to watch what's happening in Israel because they are ahead of us with vaccine rates, etc. They know how our bodies are responding (or failing to respond) to this vaccine.

And while we argue about vaccines and vaxports here,the Mu variant is knocking on our door. So, yes, it's time to think about who's on the other side of the door. We're not talking about years down the road, we're talking about months if not weeks.
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[mexi cali]

It cannot be considered "forced" if there is a choice. It may be a harsh one but it is a choice. Get the jab or get another job. It's not unreasonable.

Stop for a minute to consider the risks we all take every day with no thought at all. Then stop to consider the extremely minimal risk posed by the vaccine which is being vilified by people who have no GOOD reason to not take it. The common good is what is at stake and it is surprising how many people who truly are only seeing this from their own personal perspective.

Many of us have chosen for the common good to get vaccinated. It makes sense and it is the respectful thing to do.

And no, compulsory vaccines are not going to be quashed as a violation because of how it weighs against the common good which the charter makes provision for.

And who wouldn't wanna "take a trip and never leave the farm" (thanks Ray) if it meant 100% winnage? I'm in .

^^ with all due respect, you are retired Mexi..so this decision that get the jab or lose your job really doesn't affect your life, so it's easy to be a cheer leader for it..

can you imagine if you were told that when you turn 65 yrs old you will "have" to live in a senior's home ( who cares if you own your own home and that you can live independently ) because your a higher risk for getting sick and our Healthcare system can no longer handle dealing with seniors, so making you live a controlled environment is the only way our Government can protect "you" and our poor fragile Healthcare system...think you would be ok with that ??

A) I am Un-retired (choice).
B) That example is off the charts and has no bearing whatsoever on what is happening now.

I waffle everyday between backing away from these threads because I realize the futility in trying to get the die hard disbelievers to see the light and hoping that maybe one or two will come to see the real truth..

Both sides are entrenched in their individual beliefs but one group is using actual verifiable data to guide them and the other is not.

Every single time one of that group posts "proof" in support of their belief, it gets shot down and it happens very quickly. The "leaders and experts" that group have chosen are not qualified, in most cases, to comment on the weather but they open their maws and spout unsubstantiated, non-scientific dogma that has no basis in reality but they present it as the unvarnished truth.

I have said many times that if any of that group could offer an ounce of incontrovertible truth in support of their contentions that the vaccines are unsafe, were rushed to market, that the vaccines has been responsible for untold deaths, that it causes infertility, that "they" in general cause autism (I'm lookin at you Jenny), that Ivermectin is safe and effective, that there are just as many vaccinated in hospitals as there are un-vaccinated, that keeping un-vaccinated people away from vaccinated people is pointless, that only old people are dying from CV19 or that masks are ineffective, I would be all ears.

If, at the end of all of this, I am proven to be wrong, I will be the first to admit it. But I'm not. I know it and my hope is that many of that other group will come to know it before it's too late for many of them.

One, two......

[GordonH]

Coronavirus (covid-19) will probably mutate into various variants going forward for the foreseeable future.
May as well sit back and try to enjoy life with a few restrictions i.e masks indoors at businesses etc... etc

I actually don’t expect domestic vax passports to stand up to any court challenges, it will be dropped pretty quickly.

[Rejigger]

Coronavirus (covid-19) will probably mutate into various variants going forward for the foreseeable future.
May as well sit back and try to enjoy life with a few restrictions i.e masks indoors at businesses etc... etc

I actually don’t expect domestic vax passports to stand up to any court challenges, it will be dropped pretty quickly.

I'm double vaxxed yet have no intention of signing up for, or using (if one is forced on me), a vaxport. I'll shop online for my non-essentials and save money by not going into movie theatres. Superstore, Walmart and Costco are all I really need anyway.

I expect amazon to see an increase in business ... but amazon shares.
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[WESTman]

I waffle everyday between backing away from these threads because I realize the futility in trying to get the die hard disbelievers to see the light and hoping that maybe one or two will come to see the real truth..

If you find yourself trying to convince people day in day out that there's a pandemic, there might not be a pandemic.....

[binky11]

Conservative voters should seriously consider casting their ballot to the Peoples party of Canada this election. The PPC vows to end the expensive and authoritarian corona measures in place that are ruining small businesses and our economy. We simply cannot afford another 18+ months of this desolate isolation. No other party platform seeks to end the madness. All the other parties are in support of segregation and violating the charter of rights. We have 20 days to stop tyranny. Conservatives and liberals are one and the same. Please join me in voting for our freedoms back.

PPC getting my vote.

[LANDM]

Hypothetically, what if some brilliant scientist discovers that Lysergic Acid Diethylamide actually 100% permanently cures Covid? Are you willing to force every Canadian 12 and older to take a hit of LSD ?

I’m not sure which is a sillier argument that I have read on these threads.......the road to nazism that vaxports will inevitably create or using a hypothetical argument about LSD curing covid.

me, this is getting weird.

Next it will be "what if it is discovered that a combination of paedophilia and bestiality and suicide cured covid....would you be happy if forced to do it?".

[LANDM]

Conservative voters should seriously consider casting their ballot to the Peoples party of Canada this election. The PPC vows to end the expensive and authoritarian corona measures in place that are ruining small businesses and our economy. We simply cannot afford another 18+ months of this desolate isolation. No other party platform seeks to end the madness. All the other parties are in support of segregation and violating the charter of rights. We have 20 days to stop tyranny. Conservatives and liberals are one and the same. Please join me in voting for our freedoms back.

PPC getting my vote.

Surprise surprise.