1st potential case of "Died because the hospital was filled with COVID patients"

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Re: 1st potential case of "Died because the hospital was filled with COVID patients"

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PenChik66 wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 5:55 pm
TylerM4 wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 2:43 pm https://www.castanet.net/news/Kamloops/ ... department

Hope we get to see the results of the investigation. Appears that at least some are pointing to "Hospital over capacity due to COVID" as the reason.
Don't make assumptions. FYI........ the hospitals are NOT over capacity, they are understaffed. It has nothing to do with Covid. People need to start asking hard questions of our government as to why there are beds but no staff to cover them.
Kamloops hospital ICU has 17 beds. Around the time this happened 12 of those beds had covid patients in them.
The ICU was full even though the other beds may not have been.

Combine the above problem with burned out staff and our hospitals are in trouble.
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3 nurses out of 21

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https://www.castanet.net/news/Kamloops/ ... iting-room

What’s the deal here? 3 nurses instead of the 21 that should be there……….

So fill us with the bs of Covid over running hospitals …

In actuality it sounds like staff shortage killed this woman , along with neglect.
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If there is a staff shortage (which obviously there was), then having covid patients puts far more stress on the few nurses there.
A woman waiting 6 hrs without being attended to with a life threatening situation, did not get the attention she needed and deserved. It appears she hadn't been adequately assessed. Fewer covid patients would have freed up a nurse to attend to at least assessing incoming patients.
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^^^

And so would have fewer overdosed freed up more nurse/doctor time

We don’t know the full situation

Probably never will
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Why this title? Why the immediate response that this is related at all to, "hospital was filled with COVID patients".
If we set a side, the need for some to have to paint to the public this foolish belief, and look at the actual story.
The hospital responding with a statement clearly stating that the individual was filed into a triage position based on what they thought was the need for immediate care. This normal procedure would have had zero to do with what was going on upstairs. How many patients of any kind were in some of the beds in different parts of the hospital.
Come on people, have some brains. Your need to continue with such a stupid campaigning is getting embarrassing.
More concerning than this death is the fact that people have lost their own ability to embrace reasoning.
The pure stupidity behind this immediate need for promoting foolishness is very scary with in our society now.
Why do you need this so bad for yourself?
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We know what was reported: "The nurse explained there was a staff shortage and an inundation of COVID-19 patients, while another staffer at the hospital noted at least 26 ER nurses have recently left for other positions due to being overworked, according to the resident."
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 9th, 2021, 7:45 pm If there is a staff shortage (which obviously there was), then having covid patients puts far more stress on the few nurses there.
A woman waiting 6 hrs without being attended to with a life threatening situation, did not get the attention she needed and deserved. It appears she hadn't been adequately assessed. Fewer covid patients would have freed up a nurse to attend to at least assessing incoming patients.
Staff shortages are not something patients have control over. Pre-covid, hospitals would see an increase in patients due to seasonal flu's. Ask anyone who has ever waited in an ER for something serious and they will describe the jam packed ER's with crazy wait times over the years. KGH has had periods of over-capacity for many years and the majority just shrugged their shoulders and ignored it.

Inadequate staffing and managers being pressured to save a buck anywhere they can has been standard long before COVID. It's convenient to shrug it off and blame COVID, but the simple fact is that our healthcare system has been mismanaged for a long time.

If you look at where our healthcare dollars go you will see that cancers (some preventable, some bad luck), heart issues (many preventable), lung issues (many are smokers), substance abuse (many preventable, some caused by mental health issues) all cost significant amounts of money. Failure to properly address systematic problems with the healthcare system is not new. Suddenly understaffing is being noticed by the majority and politicized. Where were all these fingers pointers for the past 20 years? Has anyone ever laid in a hospital hallway for 5 hours with a broken leg? I have and it sucked. That was well before the whole COVID "pandemic". Healthcare has been underfunded and mismanaged for years, but for some reason everyone ignored it and now they are pointing fingers at patients rather than looking up the chain at those who are really responsible for creating the system we see today.
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Well it does get more bizarre..
Someone waiting 6 hours...?
A 6 hour wait in Emerg is not unusual...
A shortage of nurses;budget cuts. no rain for a month
I think it was caused by Covid :200:
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This topic is a perfect example of a massive problem with in society today.
For many reason's, this situation will be manipulated for only one quest.
It will and already has secured media and thus societies attention to assist in another political, social need/campaign.
Far too many in society have adapted the task of taking any issue/incident they see and manipulating it for their need and or want.
Think how scary this is. With out any reasoning, proof, acknowledgement or openness to other possibilities, some need to take this and immediately try so desperately to use it for another issue for, either their own need, want and belief or for part of a group they support.
This is a perfect example of the weakness and mental need's of individuals today to need to do this?
If individuals do it, certain groups and political parties use it. The media enjoys using it.
Then it is very clear none of us get to ever hear, the truth and factual information.
And, that people are making completely un support manipulated decision's with everything they believe.
What is the most scary, is that this is an actually mental need issue. Which should scare the hell out out everyone.
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firsttimecaller wrote: Sep 10th, 2021, 9:22 am
If you look at where our healthcare dollars go you will see that cancers (some preventable, some bad luck), heart issues (many preventable), lung issues (many are smokers), substance abuse (many preventable, some caused by mental health issues) all cost significant amounts of money. Failure to properly address systematic problems with the healthcare system is not new. Suddenly understaffing is being noticed by the majority and politicized. Where were all these fingers pointers for the past 20 years? Has anyone ever laid in a hospital hallway for 5 hours with a broken leg? I have and it sucked. That was well before the whole COVID "pandemic". Healthcare has been underfunded and mismanaged for years, but for some reason everyone ignored it and now they are pointing fingers at patients rather than looking up the chain at those who are really responsible for creating the system we see today.
:up: Absolutely agree.

IHA needs to be seriously audited and probably broken up into more manageable organizations. Our healthcare has become so myopically task oriented that even the most caring patient care staff sometimes lose sight of the human factor in their zeal to meet arbitrary targets set. For example, IHA fines hospitals if someone is admitted into emergency with a broken hip and waits more than 48 hours for their surgery...maybe if they actually addressed staffing shortages (interesting that they never seem to have a hard time hiring enough administrators, isn't it?) people wouldn't have to wait for a surgery they need right now and would have better outcomes. I can give an example of this, my mum broke her hip in 2018. When she was admitted to KGH, the break was minor and could have been fixed by pinning it, but by the time she got her surgery (2 days later, barely within that 48 hour window) the break had worsened and they had to replace the hip. I won't go into details, but basically it resulted in a 3 month hospital stay ending in her death...as her caregiver and advocate, I could write a book about the way IHA runs from that experience and others, but this is not the place. I firmly believe that our health region is badly broken and has been for some years. I hope people will sit up and take notice rather than buying the excuse that it's all about the pandemic and unvaccinated, when they are just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Shouldn’t this forum be moved to the conspiracy theory section?

Since they did admit only 3 staff were on when they usually have 24. Thus being the real reason for this death. Not because of Covid overflow

Just more fake news
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samsquench07 wrote: Sep 10th, 2021, 12:37 pm Shouldn’t this forum be moved to the conspiracy theory section?

Since they did admit only 3 staff were on when they usually have 24. Thus being the real reason for this death. Not because of Covid overflow

Just more fake news
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Nothing to worry about here as they are looking into this as they have been looking into many other ones [ or more ] just like it and the reply from the top says that they take these matters seriously and try to really look after the patients. Here is the LOOK answer again and they can look all they want but they cannot bring these patients back to life so that they can also help them LOOK.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 9th, 2021, 7:45 pm If there is a staff shortage (which obviously there was), then having covid patients puts far more stress on the few nurses there.
A woman waiting 6 hrs without being attended to with a life threatening situation, did not get the attention she needed and deserved. It appears she hadn't been adequately assessed. Fewer covid patients would have freed up a nurse to attend to at least assessing incoming patients.
And having cancer patients and heart patients would also put more stress on the few nurses there but you are just intent on blaming people who have Covid. And let’s not forget the overdoses taking up time in ambulances and ER’s, While people having heart attacks lay in hallways not getting any attention I have first-hand experience of that, And it happened five years ago. Before Covid obviously.

This headline is not true And the fact people like Adrian Dix Is using this woman’s death (due to their neglect by the way), as a way to further his “get a vaccine” agenda, is beyond pathetic.

The hospitals and the ERs have always had a long waiting list has nothing to do with Covid.
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Mrmarvingardens wrote: Sep 10th, 2021, 10:17 am Well it does get more bizarre..
Someone waiting 6 hours...?
A 6 hour wait in Emerg is not unusual...
A shortage of nurses;budget cuts. no rain for a month
I think it was caused by Covid :200:
Sure people die in Emergency waiting rooms all the time. Hospitals in Canada cancel surgeries for weeks all the time.
Doctors who say covid patients are arriving in greater numbers and worse shape than they ever saw with the flu are just flat out lying.
Solution: hire more nurses! because they grow on trees but are quitting in larger numbers than ever.
Numbers of people hospitalized is far higher than the numbers that were hospitalized for flu, ICU usage is greater, far more deaths. This death was more visible because it turned up in an ER waiting room. But it's difficult to document how many have had their surgeries or cancer treatments delayed because of covid.
3 nurses when there were supposed to be 21 for that load could be called a "shortage" of nurses, or it could be called a crisis, and we only heard about this one. I doubt it was the first or only.

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