BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

[Kelownamade]

I understand the concept of vaccines very well. The CDC changed the definition of a vaccine this year. Why? Well because the true definition of vaccine didn't fit this current form they label vaccine. None of this is relevant. 

First of all, not sure why you would refer to vaccines as a concept since they have obviously moved well passed the conceptual phase. Another blind spot in your extensive research or another full blown conspiracy theory? Actually, nevermind.

The CDC changed the definition from "provides immunity" to "provides protection" which is more accurate and reflects exactly how I described they work. Perhaps they felt with Covid effecting so many, that people's understanding of vaccines would become more sophisticated and a more accurate definition was long overdue. A change in the definition however doesn't in any way make the understanding of how vaccines work irrelevant though.

You first stated that because the vaccinated are catching covid the vaccine doesn't work. Then you stated that understanding how a vaccine works is irrelevant. That's how an echo chamber works, new information that disproves your previously held beliefs is ushered out because of some absurd self defensive rationalization. Isn't that what you're accusing pro vaccine people of doing?

A concept doesn't mean it's not effective. You are the one lacking understanding. the CDC changed the definition as they knew they had too many eyes on this and their ineffective vaccine would be exposed very quickly and with the new definition people like you would champion this new definition. You are painful to discuss this with. The vaccine is causing more damage then good. Whether it works for some people or not is irrelevant if it's causing more damage then good. Why does the concept of how a vaccine works relevant if it's more damaging then effective? Aren't the goals to help? September 2020 - 25 000 new cases and zero vaccinated. Sept 2021 - 300 000 new cases and 170 million doses. What more data do you need? If I had made a poor decision and took this shot and then realized it was dangerous, I would fight to stop children from being manipulated into taking it. We all die and all we can do is fight to make this world better for the children. I had a great childhood and all children deserve this. There is a man named Ernest Ramirez and his son died a week after taking the Pfizer shot, Why are they pushing injecting children when they are not at risk? Children's lives are 1000x more important than 80 year olds. Why did gofund me cancel his campaign? They are clearly trying to suppress this story. Almost as if corporations are all being controlled to push these shots. Why does it take so much effort to push something that supposedly is safe and effective?

https://thebl.com/us-news/gofundme-canc ... ccine.html

[Poindexter]

A vital step in understanding the data is understanding how a vaccine works and many clearly don't. The main misconception is that a vaccine is some sort of shield that stops the virus from entering the body, this is false, the vaccinated will catch the virus at the exact same rate as the unvaccinated.

Where did you get the information I've highlighted in your post, Poindexter? It seems to disagree with what the experts are telling us. For example,

Vaccines continue to reduce a person’s risk of contracting the virus that cause COVID-19, including this variant.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... efits.html

Thankfully the full cdc statement clarifies the confusion you're experiencing. This is right below your snip.

COVID-19 vaccines teach our immune systems how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19. It typically takes 2 weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19. That means it is possible a person could still get COVID-19 before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to build protection. 

Added. I'll concede how their waffling between the term immunity and protection could cause confusion and muddy the waters but while the language can change, the science stays the same, the vaccine will keep you alive and reduce the drain on our health care system.

[Kelownamade]

Do you know that they claim someone isn't vaccinated until 15 days after being injected.

Can you point to anywhere that this is actually claimed? The claim is that you aren't fully protected until 2 weeks after vaccination, but you are vaccinated (by definition) the second you receive a vaccine.

The protocols being used by hospitals, created by the NIH are purely evil.

Can you give an example of what you believe to be a pure evil protocol?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... %20vaccine

there is the link to their definition. Based upon how they are pushing this shot and being deceptive with data, it's likely that this is the case. It's impossible to know for sure but based upon the deaths being reported through social media and then the doctors reporting that they are reprimanded if they make a report of vaccine injury, I highly doubt we are getting accurate data.

The hospitals will not give covid patients high dose vitamins, and other effective treatments. They use Remdesevir which causes the lungs to fill full of fluid resulting in pneumonia. Doctors should be able to use whatever drugs that are effective but they are being denied their professional choice to use all their tools. This is clear that they don't want to end this pandemic. Look at how they demonize ivermectin by calling it a horse dewormer when it's a fact it was created for humans and won a Nobel prize. This is criminal.

[Kelownamade]

Where did you get the information I've highlighted in your post, Poindexter? It seems to disagree with what the experts are telling us. For example,

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... efits.html

Thankfully the full cdc statement clarifies the confusion you're experiencing. This is right below your snip.

COVID-19 vaccines teach our immune systems how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19. It typically takes 2 weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19. That means it is possible a person could still get COVID-19 before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to build protection. 

That statement is inaccurate. People are getting covid long after 2 weeks after being injected and that isn't my point anyways. This is not worth my time. Sometimes people are incapable of accurate thought and those people will burn up your time and achieve no progress. There is no more data you need other than cases are 10x higher after vaccination then without it. This is impossible with an effective vaccine. You can spin it anyway you want but if a plumber came to fix your sink and after your whole house was flooded and your pipes were cracked, would you be recommending him to others? The answer is No.

[daveandanne]

Will this Vaccine protect us from the Virus if it actually Henepah, Covid 19 altered?. What exactly is this Virus and was it human altered as some say Henepah is not normally natural to appear in Covid 19. Is Henepah in it yes, or no?.

[harblz]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... %20vaccine

Thanks. That's interesting. Imo too loose with language, but I understand why: for public facing statements like that, having too many bits of terminology would be confusing (vaccinated vs. fully vaccinated vs. fully protected etc.) and most people probably don't understand that the protection isn't immediate.

[Poindexter]

Vaccines continue to reduce a person’s risk of contracting the virus that cause COVID-19, including this variant.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... efits.html

I have no interest in being the cdc's spokeperson but the only way vaccines reduce a person's risk of contracting the virus is by limiting the spread of the virus. So perhaps that statement is looking at it on a macro level but nonetheless, I haven't agreed with everything the cdc or gov.bc has said but fortunately none of that is an indication of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine itself, just an indication of government agents doing their best to keep up but falling short at times.

[liisgo]

Wouldn't it be nice if our country/society could stop all this crap and work to help all our people through all the avialable methods rather than just focusing 100% of its time on everyone taking the easiest, weakest way to protect themselves.
Meaning a society that actually gives merit to all scientifically proven items to assist us through this flu and the next. Not to mention everyone's personal health.
Not a single bit of campaigning is about personal health, alternative proven ways of fighting this flu.
Just people taking a shot and then blaming and shaming their new found easy way to say they are doing anything for themselves and protecting others.
Our personal health, no one gives a crap. So many becoming Obese, children being raised unhealthy. Covid mob police shaming and blaming everyone with out looking in the mirror at their own lack of actions and seriousness.
103% more likely to be hospitalized if you have a BMI of 25 and more,(Obese).
88% of all deaths stated as covid responsible were Obese individuals. Do you get this? Only 12 % of covid deaths are people that are with in their recommended health class. And of those, many had other medical issue's.
Every thing points to the fact that we are un healthy. We are in a society that refuses to acknowledge any alternatives to protecting yourself from covid.
90% of deaths due to covid are from countries of high Obesity, Yep, that includes canada.
No country where 40% of its population is under 40% obese is there a high death rate. Are you kidding?
We live in a country that should be well on top of this and all so many and our government can place the cure and blame is on taking a shot.
I took the shot's, and now wish I hadn't. Im also sick and tired of the examples of people preaching to us all out there. A complete ignorance and absolutely zero respect to our own personal health is being talked about.
Just easier to take your 12 yr old kid in for a manufactured easy way out of this and then you get your sheriff's badge that lets you run around and shame and blame everyone else.
I fully now support every single person that is chosen a healthy, committed and responsible way out of this. The one that will assist you in the future as well. If your method of being responsible to yourself and your own life is taking nothing but a shot now, then good for you, thats your own failing. But people, its time for you, to just maybe, acknowledge that a lot of others are doing a lot more than you to deal with this.

Do your own research on this. Many of you are going to hate this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG-DfueY0bw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NWsLpyuDqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYLOGZBdAOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZC1T8OPk4

[Poindexter]

^^^
If this is what it takes for people to take their health seriously then great but relying solely on your body's natural defenses is making the assumption that this virus is something that occured naturally and that hasn't been proven yet.

[Silverstarqueen]

Getting a vaccine does not prevent anyone from otherwise making healthy choices about lifestyle diet, etc. All those choices are part of healthy living. Some people don't make all perfect choices, every day, but most of the time they do. They can still get the vaccine. I don't see why there's the perception that only people who make no effort for their health are the ones getting the vaccine. And there are health conditions which we can't do a whole lot about, given a basic effort to exercise or eat healthy, and stay away from sick people. So the vaccine works pretty well for those people too, even if not 100%, if it helps some 80 year old who is a breast cancer survivor, live more years, then why not eh? instead of being mowed down prematurely from a virus infection that was preventable. Maybe they will still need a week in hospital, but the vaccine could get them out quicker, or avoid ICU. Since healthy people can also get a serious case of covid without a vaccine, the vaccine can also help them shorten the duration or prevent a hospital stay.
Even if all a person was headed for was a few weeks at home recovering, why not get the vaccine and cut it down to a few days, and less chance of long hauler syndrome too?
So for those of you who prefer taking the hard road, fine, you don't need a vaccine, but then surely you wouldn't need an ICU or hospital bed either would you? Why would anyone prefer a Russian roulette choice of possible ICU, rather than take a vaccine with rare chance of serious side effects?

[Silverstarqueen]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... %20vaccine

there is the link to their definition. Based upon how they are pushing this shot and being deceptive with data, it's likely that this is the case. It's impossible to know for sure but based upon the deaths being reported through social media and then the doctors reporting that they are reprimanded if they make a report of vaccine injury, I highly doubt we are getting accurate data.

The hospitals will not give covid patients high dose vitamins, and other effective treatments. They use Remdesevir which causes the lungs to fill full of fluid resulting in pneumonia. Doctors should be able to use whatever drugs that are effective but they are being denied their professional choice to use all their tools. This is clear that they don't want to end this pandemic. Look at how they demonize ivermectin by calling it a horse dewormer when it's a fact it was created for humans and won a Nobel prize. This is criminal.

Well if folks are living that healthy life (and get vaccinated) their chance of ending up in a hospital is greatly reduced. They can stay home with no case of covid or a relatively mild case of covid and take all the vitamins or horse wormer they want.
Incidentally Ivermectin earned someone a Nobel prize for it's use as an anti-parasitic, not as a treatment for covid. I can't even find a trial where IM was great for any other viral disease either. So far there have been no large-ish random control studies which showed much if any benefit. Oh, maybe some people got better by a couple of days, who had a mild case anyway. (unless you count the trial that faked their data to make Ivermectin look good)

With a vaccine you won't likely end up in hospital anyway, but you can still take your horse wormer if you choose.(not that I am recommending it). Doctors who are treating covid now CAN use whatever drugs are effective. There is nothing stopping them. But they also arent' going to be using covid patients as guinea pigs (unless they are part of a trial and agree to it).

[Kelownamade]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... %20vaccine

there is the link to their definition. Based upon how they are pushing this shot and being deceptive with data, it's likely that this is the case. It's impossible to know for sure but based upon the deaths being reported through social media and then the doctors reporting that they are reprimanded if they make a report of vaccine injury, I highly doubt we are getting accurate data.

The hospitals will not give covid patients high dose vitamins, and other effective treatments. They use Remdesevir which causes the lungs to fill full of fluid resulting in pneumonia. Doctors should be able to use whatever drugs that are effective but they are being denied their professional choice to use all their tools. This is clear that they don't want to end this pandemic. Look at how they demonize ivermectin by calling it a horse dewormer when it's a fact it was created for humans and won a Nobel prize. This is criminal.

Well if folks are living that healthy life (and get vaccinated) their chance of ending up in a hospital is greatly reduced. They can stay home with no case of covid or a relatively mild case of covid and take all the vitamins or horse wormer they want.
Incidentally Ivermectin earned someone a Nobel prize for it's use as an anti-parasitic, not as a treatment for covid. I can't even find a trial where IM was great for any other viral disease either. So far there have been no large-ish random control studies which showed much if any benefit. Oh, maybe some people got better by a couple of days, who had a mild case anyway. (unless you count the trial that faked their data to make Ivermectin look good)

With a vaccine you won't likely end up in hospital anyway, but you can still take your horse wormer if you choose.(not that I am recommending it). Doctors who are treating covid now CAN use whatever drugs are effective. There is nothing stopping them. But they also arent' going to be using covid patients as guinea pigs (unless they are part of a trial and agree to it).

If your statement was factual, then the 16 year old boy who was healthy would not have died within a week. Once again you trust the studies which are bought and paid for. If Ivermectin wasn't highly effective in the real world, doctors would not be using it. You seem to refuse that there is large scale corruption. You are stuck in words on the internet over censored doctors telling you it works through the ability for zinc to enter the cell. You appears to be like many doctors. Its appears your mind isn't that of a problem solver rather a mind that repeats data and ends up with ineffective results. You clearly hate ivermectin as you still call it something the media labels it in order to discredit it. I am so surprised at the selfishness of some people. They would rather protect their poor decision then accept their mistakes and move to help support society.

[nanita]

If your statement was factual, then the 16 year old boy who was healthy would not have died within a week. Once again you trust the studies which are bought and paid for. If Ivermectin wasn't highly effective in the real world, doctors would not be using it. You seem to refuse that there is large scale corruption. You are stuck in words on the internet over censored doctors telling you it works through the ability for zinc to enter the cell. You appears to be like many doctors. Its appears your mind isn't that of a problem solver rather a mind that repeats data and ends up with ineffective results. You clearly hate ivermectin as you still call it something the media labels it in order to discredit it. I am so surprised at the selfishness of some people. They would rather protect their poor decision then accept their mistakes and move to help support society.

I think it's harder for people to move on when they have been vaccine-injured.
The mind works to protect itself - by asserting over and over (even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary) that the vaccine was NECESSARY, SAFE, and EFFECTIVE.
Admitting that one has lined up and voluntary submitted themselves to an experimental drug for no good reason other than fear and propaganda, and then realizing that they are left with long-lasting side effects and no real protection must be difficult.

[Silverstarqueen]

If your statement was factual, then the 16 year old boy who was healthy would not have died within a week. Once again you trust the studies which are bought and paid for. If Ivermectin wasn't highly effective in the real world, doctors would not be using it. You seem to refuse that there is large scale corruption. You are stuck in words on the internet over censored doctors telling you it works through the ability for zinc to enter the cell. You appears to be like many doctors. Its appears your mind isn't that of a problem solver rather a mind that repeats data and ends up with ineffective results. You clearly hate ivermectin as you still call it something the media labels it in order to discredit it. I am so surprised at the selfishness of some people. They would rather protect their poor decision then accept their mistakes and move to help support society.

There are lots of 16 year old boys. If you mean the Ramirez boy, he had an enlarged heart, five days after the vaccine. So that takes a bit of time to develop an enlarged heart, he likely had an enlarged heart before the vaccine, it's not a rare event, and even turns up in athletes who have been training for a time.
I don't hate ivermectin at all, I have been reading up on it for well over a year now, and in all that time they haven't come up with a study that shows it works. So they need large trials, and random controls. The same standard as for the vaccines, which required 44,000 subjects and by now we have over a year of data for the vaccines. Everyone can point out the shortcomings of the vaccines, they aren't perfect, because they have been around and given 5 plus billion doses. In those vaccinated, terrific decrease in serious illness, hospitalization etc. When IM can show something like that, they've had over a year to do it, why no big results yet? It's not because it hasn't been given to thousands of people. It's not because doctors are censored, it's because no one can get good results without fudging their data. Why fudge it, if it was a good product?
If they came out with a good study on IM tomorrow, with good results, 80-90% reduction in serious cases or hospitalizations, I would be thrilled to share those results. By the way, it's called a horse wormer because in developed countries that's what it's used for in the vast majority of cases, and that's what I've used it for for years. Horses have died (or had neuro or failure to thrive, ) after being dosed, dogs have died after being dosed, so it has to be used with caution. And it causes sperm count drop and sperm deformities in humans, so that has to be investigated before it gets widespread use.

If they come up with anything else that works as well as the vaccines, and it is proven properly, not just people jumping on a bandwagon without evidence, I would be happy to learn it.

[Kelownamade]

If your statement was factual, then the 16 year old boy who was healthy would not have died within a week. Once again you trust the studies which are bought and paid for. If Ivermectin wasn't highly effective in the real world, doctors would not be using it. You seem to refuse that there is large scale corruption. You are stuck in words on the internet over censored doctors telling you it works through the ability for zinc to enter the cell. You appears to be like many doctors. Its appears your mind isn't that of a problem solver rather a mind that repeats data and ends up with ineffective results. You clearly hate ivermectin as you still call it something the media labels it in order to discredit it. I am so surprised at the selfishness of some people. They would rather protect their poor decision then accept their mistakes and move to help support society.

There are lots of 16 year old boys. If you mean the Ramirez boy, he had an enlarged heart, five days after the vaccine. So that takes a bit of time to develop an enlarged heart, he likely had an enlarged heart before the vaccine, it's not a rare event, and even turns up in athletes who have been training for a time.
I don't hate ivermectin at all, I have been reading up on it for well over a year now, and in all that time they haven't come up with a study that shows it works. So they need large trials, and random controls. The same standard as for the vaccines, which required 44,000 subjects and by now we have over a year of data for the vaccines. Everyone can point out the shortcomings of the vaccines, they aren't perfect, because they have been around and given 5 plus billion doses. In those vaccinated, terrific decrease in serious illness, hospitalization etc. When IM can show something like that, they've had over a year to do it, why no big results yet? It's not because doctors are censored, it's because no one can get good results without fudging their data. Why fudge it, if it was a good product?
If they came out with a good study on IM tomorrow, with good results, 80-90% reduction in serious cases or hospitalizations, I would be thrilled to share those results.
If they come up with anything else that works as well as the vaccines, and it is proven properly, not just people jumping on a bandwagon without evidence, I would be happy to learn it.

wow you are quite something. Enlarged hearts are not common in young boys. You refuse to consider the expert doctors reporting it is saving their patients lives. I am done with you. It amazes me how immature and stubborn some people are. It's sad really. " I read papers bought and paid for by the vaccine manufacturers and they said that cheap drug doesn't work" Why did Tes Laureate say that the studies showed ivermectin was highly effective? You need to do some soul searching as you appear to be hypnotized or something. Maybe it's the heavy metal toxicity you injected? Have you tried to do a detox? Why don't you listen to an expert analyst of studies to see how incorrect your opinion is. If you manage to break your spell, I would be very proud of you. The sooner you accept the truth, the better. Last thing you want to do is continue taking boosters until you get an enlarged heart and we claim it was just your prior condition and had nothing to do with the experimental deadly vaccine you injected.

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