Diabetes

[GordonH]

Type 1 and type 2 are completely different from each other.

Type 2 with proper diet and exercise can be overcome.

[Kelownamade]

Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. ...

What you DID say is "Diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet" which is obviously not true. Think of the infants and children and genetics.

Do you find diabetes in tribes in the jungle? No. You find it where fake food is being consumed and babies are raised on formula etc. To say a babies diet isn't essential to proper development is irrational and it's the most important time to be consuming high quality food and mother's milk. This is the period where the babies gut bacteria aka the immune system is being developed.

[Bsuds]

Do you find diabetes in tribes in the jungle?

How would you ever know? They would die and with no Doctors or testing we would have no clue as to what caused their demise.

[Fancy]

... To say a babies diet isn't essential to proper development is irrational ...

So why would you say that? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Thinktank]

Metformin can damage the kidneys ...

Type 2 with proper diet and exercise can be overcome.

We have many people walking over the cliff. No one cares.
And we have a whole herd of people - including young people - walking towards the cliff.

Those are the ones who should be staying away from the drive-thru.

Cases of type 2 diabetes among children more than doubled (at one hospital) during the coronavirus pandemic, research finds

So what does the CDC - that small group of business people who control the lives of millions, say?
Basically nothing at all.

The CDC says having a family member with type 2 diabetes, being born to a mother with diabetes while pregnant, and having conditions related to insulin resistance can place children at increased risk. The agency advises that children who are overweight and have a combination of risk factors check with their doctor about getting their blood sugar tested.

So the CDC says kids should (1) - go to doctor, and (2) - get on the diabetes drugs.

Isn't it funny how the people who write the articles for CNN, CBC, Castanet - never tell people to help themselves, but always suggest "go see a doctor?"

Dr Fuhrman is right on about diet being the way to treat disease. My doctor told me to eat healthy but never said what that means.
I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes some 20 years ago and was told that it is a chronic progressive disease that would end with losing limbs, eyesight, kidney failure and heart disease. I was given Metformin and then after a while more...

So Katzenjammer went on youtube, and read lots of books. The media, which is owned by "big pharma" basically will never tell anyone to help themselves. Notice how CNN/CDC said - "go see doctor" if a kid is obese.

Wow. I'd never trust CNN/CDC when it comes to vaccine info either.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/health/d ... index.html

[Fancy]

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Isn't it funny how the people who write the articles for CNN, CBC, Castanet - never tell people to help themselves, but always suggest "go see a doctor?" ...

Reporters aren't doctors so the advice is good. One needs to see the professionals that can help them and diet is one topic that comes up in the doctor's office.

[Silverstarqueen]

No, it isn't. There are types of diabetes caused by autoimmune condition, look up LADA, it is often mistaken for type 2 diabetes.
What about the overweight people who have a diet like many others but never develop diabetes? Diabetes only affects maybe 20% of the population (if they live long enough), but probably 40% of the population is overweight. Why don't they deveop diabetes? So if you think you understand diabetes, you don't. Ever heard of Type 1.5 Diabetes? Type 2 diabetes can also have an autoimmune component to it.

Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. Many people have reverse diabetes with changing their diet and exercising. Most people are lazy and cannot eat real food with simply seasoning. They add toxic chemicals with refined sugars on top of their food, and that's if they even are willing to change their diets. Most aren't. It's funny that many people won't change their diets and lifestyle to guaranteed improve their health yet healthy people are supposed to risk their lives to protect them. Pretty selfish people. Just like wealthy people are greedy for not wanting to give away their hard earned money but it's not selfish to want to take money from others who worked for it. Backwards society.

Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are plenty of diabetics who eat a normal, healthy diet, and still they have diabetes.
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
"a benign phenotype of obesity, the so-called “metabolically healthy obesity” (MHO), has been described both in adults and younger (children) patients with obesity [9,10]. MHO patients represent a class of subjects who, despite the fat mass excess, show a favorable metabolic profile [9,11]. These individuals seem to be less prone to the traditional metabolic abnormalities that often accompany excess body fat (e.g., insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension), showing a reduced incidence of several obesity-related comorbidities [9], such as a 50% decreased risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D) compared with metabolically unhealthy obese (MUO) subjects [12].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7459932/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .

[Kelownamade]

Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. Many people have reverse diabetes with changing their diet and exercising. Most people are lazy and cannot eat real food with simply seasoning. They add toxic chemicals with refined sugars on top of their food, and that's if they even are willing to change their diets. Most aren't. It's funny that many people won't change their diets and lifestyle to guaranteed improve their health yet healthy people are supposed to risk their lives to protect them. Pretty selfish people. Just like wealthy people are greedy for not wanting to give away their hard earned money but it's not selfish to want to take money from others who worked for it. Backwards society.

Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
"a benign phenotype of obesity, the so-called “metabolically healthy obesity” (MHO), has been described both in adults and younger (children) patients with obesity [9,10]. MHO patients represent a class of subjects who, despite the fat mass excess, show a favorable metabolic profile [9,11]. These individuals seem to be less prone to the traditional metabolic abnormalities that often accompany excess body fat (e.g., insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension), showing a reduced incidence of several obesity-related comorbidities [9], such as a 50% decreased risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D) compared with metabolically unhealthy obese (MUO) subjects [12].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7459932/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .

You can become overweight by eating good food. Its about calories.

[rustled]

Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.

Poor diet doesn't always result in obesity. Just as not everyone who is obese has diabetes, not everyone who eats a poor-quality diet is obese.

What causes type 1 diabetes?
Type 1 diabetes occurs when your immune system, the body’s system for fighting infection, attacks and destroys the insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas. Scientists think type 1 diabetes is caused by genes and environmental factors, such as viruses, that might trigger the disease. Studies such as TrialNet External link are working to pinpoint causes of type 1 diabetes and possible ways to prevent or slow the disease.

What causes type 2 diabetes?
Type 2 diabetes—the most common form of diabetes—is caused by several factors, including lifestyle factors and genes.

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What else can cause diabetes?
Genetic mutations, other diseases, damage to the pancreas, and certain medicines may also cause diabetes.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inform ... oms-causes

Genetic predisposition is the wild card we may have been born with. The rest we have some control over, to varying degrees.

[Silverstarqueen]

Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
"a benign phenotype of obesity, the so-called “metabolically healthy obesity” (MHO), has been described both in adults and younger (children) patients with obesity [9,10]. MHO patients represent a class of subjects who, despite the fat mass excess, show a favorable metabolic profile [9,11]. These individuals seem to be less prone to the traditional metabolic abnormalities that often accompany excess body fat (e.g., insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension), showing a reduced incidence of several obesity-related comorbidities [9], such as a 50% decreased risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D) compared with metabolically unhealthy obese (MUO) subjects [12].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7459932/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .

You can become overweight by eating good food. Its about calories.

Sure, so 100 people become overweight, and only half or a quarter develop diabetes. Kinda shoots down your theory that it's all due to overeating and poor diet.
My horse can become overweight eating just greens out in the pasture. But horses don't become diabetic from overeating. Different genes. They have an amazing pancreas.
Human genetics has allowed humans to store fat during the months of plenty, so they can survive the lean winters, especially those in temperate zones. This is the natural course of things. So unless we want to starve ourselves every few months, it is difficult to fight nature. Those humans who did not develop this ability to store months of excess fuel(probably in the minority) didn't live long enough to evolve.
Why do women normally gain weight and store fat more easily than men? their babies were more likely to survive a period of food shortage. So there's nothing abnormal about weight gain. Our society's obsession with thinness and at the same time food, is a cultural thing, aggravated by our movement away from physial labor as a means to make a living.

[rustled]

You can become overweight by eating good food. Its about calories.

Sure, so 100 people become overweight, and only half or a quarter develop diabetes. Kinda shoots down your theory that it's all due to overeating and poor diet.
My horse can become overweight eating just greens out in the pasture. But horses don't become diabetic. Different genes. They have an amazing pancreas.

We know this isn't true, though:

Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue.

Diabetes Mellitus can be identified in grazing animals, that are fed a very high-energy diet.

Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue.

Diabetes Mellitus can be identified in grazing animals, that are fed a very high-energy diet mostly in the form of grain concentrates.

The most common reason why horses get diabetes is as a result of obesity.

https://sourceofhorse.com/can-horses-get-diabetes/

Logically, one should expect similar metabolic functions and failures exist in any creature with a pancreas.

[Silverstarqueen]

This article is written by a person who's claim to expertise is she's been around horses most of her life.
"Yes, there have been several documented cases of horses developing diabetes."
so there are millions of horses in the world and only "several " documented cases? She is equating a condition in horses with diabetes, which it is not.
"Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue."
What exactly is "work with intramuscular adipose tissue" and how does that cause diabetes?
She has a whole article about diabetic disease which is rare in horses, not due to overeating, and is not due to being overweight.
She is conflating EMS with diabetes.

[rustled]

This article is written by a person who's claim to expertise is she's been around horses most of her life.
"Yes, there have been several documented cases of horses developing diabetes."
so there are millions of horses in the world and only "several " documented cases? She is equating a condition in horses with diabetes, which it is not.
"Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue."
What exactly is "work with intramuscular adipose tissue" and how does that cause diabetes?
She has a whole article about diabetic disease which is rare in horses, not due to overeating, and is not due to being overweight.
She is conflating EMS with diabetes.

Diabetes, Insulin Resistance, and Metabolic Syndrome in Horses

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Diagnostic Approach for Insulin Resistance and Diabetes in Horses

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3440056/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .

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horses don't become diabetic

[Silverstarqueen]

This article is written by a person who's claim to expertise is she's been around horses most of her life.
"Yes, there have been several documented cases of horses developing diabetes."
so there are millions of horses in the world and only "several " documented cases? She is equating a condition in horses with diabetes, which it is not.
"Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue."
What exactly is "work with intramuscular adipose tissue" and how does that cause diabetes?
She has a whole article about diabetic disease which is rare in horses, not due to overeating, and is not due to being overweight.
She is conflating EMS with diabetes.

Diabetes, Insulin Resistance, and Metabolic Syndrome in Horses
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Diagnostic Approach for Insulin Resistance and Diabetes in Horses

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3440056/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .

e.g.

horses don't become diabetic

so you read the article "Development of overt DM, as characterized by marked hyperglycemia resulting from lack of insulin or insulin effect (IR) has been rarely reported in horses"
Most of the article explains IR and Metabolic syndrome in horses,
that is not the same as diabetes, which is rare in horses, usually due to a tumor or other causes (not overeating, or overweight).
Horses can also get hyperglycemia with a sudden acute abdominal distress, that also is not diabetes.
Thanks for a good article that explains my point in detail.

[rustled]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3440056/
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so you read the article "Development of overt DM, as characterized by marked hyperglycemia resulting from lack of insulin or insulin effect (IR) has been rarely reported in horses"
Most of the article explains IR and Metabolic syndrome in horses,
that is not the same as diabetes, which is rare in horses, usually due to a tumor or other causes (not overeating, or overweight).
Horses can also get hyperglycemia with a sudden acute abdominal distress, that also is not diabetes.
Thanks for a good article that explains my point in detail.

They explained, as the title of the piece suggested, diabetes, insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in horses quite well.

Analogous to the situation in human medicine, contemporary practices in horse management, which incorporate lengthy periods of physical inactivity coupled with provision of nutritional rations characterized by inappropriately high sugar and starch, have led to obesity being more commonly recognized by practitioners of equine veterinary practice. In many of these cases, obesity is associated with insulin resistance (IR) and glucose intolerance. An equine metabolic syndrome (MS) has been described that is similar to the human MS in that both IR and aspects of obesity represent cornerstones of its definition.

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One of the most common endocrinopathic conditions of mature horses, PPID results from an age-associated, oxidative stress-mediated degeneration of the dopaminergic nerves critical for intermediate lobe inhibition. Therefore, in some respects, PPID of horses bears similarity to Parkinson's disease in people. Insulin resistance is commonly identified as a component of the clinical abnormalities that result from PPID in these older horses.

It has been suggested that type 2 DM occurs to a greater extent than previously believed in horses affected with PPID.

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Equine metabolic syndrome is being increasingly identified in domesticated horses, and comparisons to predisposing factors in the human population, specifically physical inactivity and the provision of rations that provide excessive dietary energy coupled with high glycemic indices, have been blamed. As with their human counterparts, horses are prone to develop obesity and IR. Laminitis is a potentially crippling condition of horses' feet that represents the most common complication of EMS. Unlike humans, the complicating development of overt DM is not commonly identified in horses, possibly a consequence of their being an herbivorous species with a relatively shorter lifespan. Veterinarians working with horses must arm themselves with the diagnostic and therapeutic tools needed to characterize EMS and reverse its medical implications. The equine veterinary literature has been replete with reports of scientific investigations regarding the epidemiology, pathophysiology, and treatment of EMS.

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(DM) diabetes mellitus
(IR) insulin resistance

(My bold.)

I'd posted the link to the piece as an example to show why we should all avoid making broad, sweeping statements like "horses don't become diabetic". According to these experts, horses can - and do - develop a diabetic condition analogous to the diabetic condition developed by humans, and as with humans the condition is often a result of diet and obesity. (If you believe the authors and experts were incorrect or inaccurate or misleading with their references to the condition in horses as diabetes, it's probably best to take up your complaint with them.)

Diabetes mellitus: More commonly referred to as "diabetes" -- a chronic disease associated with abnormally high levels of the sugar glucose in the blood. Diabetes is due to one of two mechanisms:

1. Inadequate production of insulin (which is made by the pancreas and lowers blood glucose), or
2. Inadequate sensitivity of cells to the action of insulin.

https://www.medicinenet.com/diabetes_me ... nition.htm