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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 6:06 pm
Kelownamade wrote: Sep 20th, 2021, 5:11 pm

Diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet. 99% of disease is caused by diet, stagnant blood and lymph fluid.
No, it isn't. There are types of diabetes caused by autoimmune condition, look up LADA, it is often mistaken for type 2 diabetes.
What about the overweight people who have a diet like many others but never develop diabetes? Diabetes only affects maybe 20% of the population (if they live long enough), but probably 40% of the population is overweight. Why don't they deveop diabetes? So if you think you understand diabetes, you don't. Ever heard of Type 1.5 Diabetes? Type 2 diabetes can also have an autoimmune component to it.
Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. Many people have reverse diabetes with changing their diet and exercising. Most people are lazy and cannot eat real food with simply seasoning. They add toxic chemicals with refined sugars on top of their food, and that's if they even are willing to change their diets. Most aren't. It's funny that many people won't change their diets and lifestyle to guaranteed improve their health yet healthy people are supposed to risk their lives to protect them. Pretty selfish people. Just like wealthy people are greedy for not wanting to give away their hard earned money but it's not selfish to want to take money from others who worked for it. Backwards society.
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Kelownamade wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 7:04 pm Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. ...
What you DID say is "Diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet" which is obviously not true. Think of the infants and children and genetics.
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Type 1 and type 2 are completely different from each other.

Type 2 with proper diet and exercise can be overcome.
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Fancy wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 8:07 pm
Kelownamade wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 7:04 pm Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. ...
What you DID say is "Diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet" which is obviously not true. Think of the infants and children and genetics.
Do you find diabetes in tribes in the jungle? No. You find it where fake food is being consumed and babies are raised on formula etc. To say a babies diet isn't essential to proper development is irrational and it's the most important time to be consuming high quality food and mother's milk. This is the period where the babies gut bacteria aka the immune system is being developed.
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Kelownamade wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 9:05 pm
Do you find diabetes in tribes in the jungle?
How would you ever know? They would die and with no Doctors or testing we would have no clue as to what caused their demise.
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Kelownamade wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 9:05 pm ... To say a babies diet isn't essential to proper development is irrational ...
So why would you say that? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Bsuds wrote: Sep 20th, 2021, 11:11 am Metformin can damage the kidneys ...
GordonH wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 8:12 pm Type 2 with proper diet and exercise can be overcome.
We have many people walking over the cliff. No one cares.
And we have a whole herd of people - including young people - walking towards the cliff.

Those are the ones who should be staying away from the drive-thru.

Cases of type 2 diabetes among children more than doubled (at one hospital) during the coronavirus pandemic, research finds

So what does the CDC - that small group of business people who control the lives of millions, say?
Basically nothing at all.
The CDC says having a family member with type 2 diabetes, being born to a mother with diabetes while pregnant, and having conditions related to insulin resistance can place children at increased risk. The agency advises that children who are overweight and have a combination of risk factors check with their doctor about getting their blood sugar tested.
So the CDC says kids should (1) - go to doctor, and (2) - get on the diabetes drugs. :smt045

Isn't it funny how the people who write the articles for CNN, CBC, Castanet - never tell people to help themselves, but always suggest "go see a doctor?"
katzenjammer wrote: Sep 16th, 2021, 10:56 pm Dr Fuhrman is right on about diet being the way to treat disease. My doctor told me to eat healthy but never said what that means.
I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes some 20 years ago and was told that it is a chronic progressive disease that would end with losing limbs, eyesight, kidney failure and heart disease. I was given Metformin and then after a while more...
So Katzenjammer went on youtube, and read lots of books. The media, which is owned by "big pharma" basically will never tell anyone to help themselves. Notice how CNN/CDC said - "go see doctor" if a kid is obese.

Wow. I'd never trust CNN/CDC when it comes to vaccine info either.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/health/d ... index.html
Please, Please, Please get one, two, three, four, and maybe five doses of the quickly developed most fanatically promoted dirt cheap $1.00 thing in human history - the DREADED COVID VACCINE! "It's Just Like a Drivers License"
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Thinktank wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 4:34 am ...
Isn't it funny how the people who write the articles for CNN, CBC, Castanet - never tell people to help themselves, but always suggest "go see a doctor?" ...
Reporters aren't doctors so the advice is good. One needs to see the professionals that can help them and diet is one topic that comes up in the doctor's office.
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Kelownamade wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 7:04 pm
Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 6:06 pm
No, it isn't. There are types of diabetes caused by autoimmune condition, look up LADA, it is often mistaken for type 2 diabetes.
What about the overweight people who have a diet like many others but never develop diabetes? Diabetes only affects maybe 20% of the population (if they live long enough), but probably 40% of the population is overweight. Why don't they deveop diabetes? So if you think you understand diabetes, you don't. Ever heard of Type 1.5 Diabetes? Type 2 diabetes can also have an autoimmune component to it.
Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. Many people have reverse diabetes with changing their diet and exercising. Most people are lazy and cannot eat real food with simply seasoning. They add toxic chemicals with refined sugars on top of their food, and that's if they even are willing to change their diets. Most aren't. It's funny that many people won't change their diets and lifestyle to guaranteed improve their health yet healthy people are supposed to risk their lives to protect them. Pretty selfish people. Just like wealthy people are greedy for not wanting to give away their hard earned money but it's not selfish to want to take money from others who worked for it. Backwards society.
Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are plenty of diabetics who eat a normal, healthy diet, and still they have diabetes.
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
"a benign phenotype of obesity, the so-called “metabolically healthy obesity” (MHO), has been described both in adults and younger (children) patients with obesity [9,10]. MHO patients represent a class of subjects who, despite the fat mass excess, show a favorable metabolic profile [9,11]. These individuals seem to be less prone to the traditional metabolic abnormalities that often accompany excess body fat (e.g., insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension), showing a reduced incidence of several obesity-related comorbidities [9], such as a 50% decreased risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D) compared with metabolically unhealthy obese (MUO) subjects [12].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7459932/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 8:16 am
Kelownamade wrote: Sep 21st, 2021, 7:04 pm

Who said poor diet and a toxic lifestyle would cause the identical result in all humans. Many people have reverse diabetes with changing their diet and exercising. Most people are lazy and cannot eat real food with simply seasoning. They add toxic chemicals with refined sugars on top of their food, and that's if they even are willing to change their diets. Most aren't. It's funny that many people won't change their diets and lifestyle to guaranteed improve their health yet healthy people are supposed to risk their lives to protect them. Pretty selfish people. Just like wealthy people are greedy for not wanting to give away their hard earned money but it's not selfish to want to take money from others who worked for it. Backwards society.
Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
"a benign phenotype of obesity, the so-called “metabolically healthy obesity” (MHO), has been described both in adults and younger (children) patients with obesity [9,10]. MHO patients represent a class of subjects who, despite the fat mass excess, show a favorable metabolic profile [9,11]. These individuals seem to be less prone to the traditional metabolic abnormalities that often accompany excess body fat (e.g., insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension), showing a reduced incidence of several obesity-related comorbidities [9], such as a 50% decreased risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D) compared with metabolically unhealthy obese (MUO) subjects [12].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7459932/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .
You can become overweight by eating good food. Its about calories.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 8:16 am Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
Poor diet doesn't always result in obesity. Just as not everyone who is obese has diabetes, not everyone who eats a poor-quality diet is obese.
What causes type 1 diabetes?
Type 1 diabetes occurs when your immune system, the body’s system for fighting infection, attacks and destroys the insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas. Scientists think type 1 diabetes is caused by genes and environmental factors, such as viruses, that might trigger the disease. Studies such as TrialNet External link are working to pinpoint causes of type 1 diabetes and possible ways to prevent or slow the disease.

What causes type 2 diabetes?
Type 2 diabetes—the most common form of diabetes—is caused by several factors, including lifestyle factors and genes.

SNIP
What else can cause diabetes?
Genetic mutations, other diseases, damage to the pancreas, and certain medicines may also cause diabetes.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inform ... oms-causes

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Kelownamade wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 8:24 am
Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 8:16 am
Who said diabetes is strictly caused by poor diet? you
Yet there are plenty of overweight people who don't have diabetes.
There are plenty of people with diabetes who are not overweight (about 15% of type 2, and 90% of type 1)
There are perfectly healthy overweight people.
"a benign phenotype of obesity, the so-called “metabolically healthy obesity” (MHO), has been described both in adults and younger (children) patients with obesity [9,10]. MHO patients represent a class of subjects who, despite the fat mass excess, show a favorable metabolic profile [9,11]. These individuals seem to be less prone to the traditional metabolic abnormalities that often accompany excess body fat (e.g., insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension), showing a reduced incidence of several obesity-related comorbidities [9], such as a 50% decreased risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D) compared with metabolically unhealthy obese (MUO) subjects [12].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7459932/

Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .
You can become overweight by eating good food. Its about calories.
Sure, so 100 people become overweight, and only half or a quarter develop diabetes. Kinda shoots down your theory that it's all due to overeating and poor diet.
My horse can become overweight eating just greens out in the pasture. But horses don't become diabetic from overeating. Different genes. They have an amazing pancreas.
Human genetics has allowed humans to store fat during the months of plenty, so they can survive the lean winters, especially those in temperate zones. This is the natural course of things. So unless we want to starve ourselves every few months, it is difficult to fight nature. Those humans who did not develop this ability to store months of excess fuel(probably in the minority) didn't live long enough to evolve.
Why do women normally gain weight and store fat more easily than men? their babies were more likely to survive a period of food shortage. So there's nothing abnormal about weight gain. Our society's obsession with thinness and at the same time food, is a cultural thing, aggravated by our movement away from physial labor as a means to make a living.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 8:45 am
Kelownamade wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 8:24 am

You can become overweight by eating good food. Its about calories.
Sure, so 100 people become overweight, and only half or a quarter develop diabetes. Kinda shoots down your theory that it's all due to overeating and poor diet.
My horse can become overweight eating just greens out in the pasture. But horses don't become diabetic. Different genes. They have an amazing pancreas.
We know this isn't true, though:
Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue.

Diabetes Mellitus can be identified in grazing animals, that are fed a very high-energy diet.

Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue.

Diabetes Mellitus can be identified in grazing animals, that are fed a very high-energy diet mostly in the form of grain concentrates.

The most common reason why horses get diabetes is as a result of obesity.
https://sourceofhorse.com/can-horses-get-diabetes/

Logically, one should expect similar metabolic functions and failures exist in any creature with a pancreas.
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This article is written by a person who's claim to expertise is she's been around horses most of her life.
"Yes, there have been several documented cases of horses developing diabetes."
so there are millions of horses in the world and only "several " documented cases? She is equating a condition in horses with diabetes, which it is not.
"Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue."
What exactly is "work with intramuscular adipose tissue" and how does that cause diabetes?
She has a whole article about diabetic disease which is rare in horses, not due to overeating, and is not due to being overweight.
She is conflating EMS with diabetes.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 9:12 am This article is written by a person who's claim to expertise is she's been around horses most of her life.
"Yes, there have been several documented cases of horses developing diabetes."
so there are millions of horses in the world and only "several " documented cases? She is equating a condition in horses with diabetes, which it is not.
"Horses can get diabetes from birth or can develop it as a result of their work with intramuscular adipose tissue."
What exactly is "work with intramuscular adipose tissue" and how does that cause diabetes?
She has a whole article about diabetic disease which is rare in horses, not due to overeating, and is not due to being overweight.
She is conflating EMS with diabetes.
Diabetes, Insulin Resistance, and Metabolic Syndrome in Horses

SNIP

Diagnostic Approach for Insulin Resistance and Diabetes in Horses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3440056/
Please do some research and learn about diabetes before you make sweeping, inaccurate statements .
e.g.
horses don't become diabetic
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