To the whack jobs entering schools in the name of social protest

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dontrump wrote: Sep 23rd, 2021, 3:19 pm
they are wack jobs for sure but certainly never ever endangered the lives of children
You know this how? Did they all get Covid testing before entering the School?

There is absolutely no way this behavior is acceptable!

These people should all be charged with endangering children.
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Trudeau.................thats what happened!
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Bsuds wrote: Sep 23rd, 2021, 5:45 pm
dontrump wrote: Sep 23rd, 2021, 3:19 pm
they are wack jobs for sure but certainly never ever endangered the lives of children
You know this how? Did they all get Covid testing before entering the School?
Do all of the people with non-protest reasons for entering the school (including the staff and the students) all get Covid testing before entering the school?
Bsuds wrote:There is absolutely no way this behavior is acceptable!

These people should all be charged with endangering children.
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The charges you're suggesting would set the bar for "endangering the lives of children" in an utterly ridiculous place.

Trespass may be more appropriate.
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rustled wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 10:16 am
The charges you're suggesting would set the bar for "endangering the lives of children" in an utterly ridiculous place.

Trespass may be more appropriate.
Maybe, but would not be enough of a deterrent for some of these idiots.
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Bsuds wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 10:43 am
rustled wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 10:16 am
The charges you're suggesting would set the bar for "endangering the lives of children" in an utterly ridiculous place.

Trespass may be more appropriate.
Maybe, but would not be enough of a deterrent for some of these idiots.
It seems to me people have good reason to be concerned about health authorities setting up vaccination clinics for controversial vaccines in schools, particularly elementary schools.

It seems to me these clinics are doing an end run around the choices of parents for their children as young as 12.

And it seems to me, the outrage over the protesters entering the schools has provided cover for the health authorities.
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rustled wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 10:16 am Do all of the people with non-protest reasons for entering the school (including the staff and the students) all get Covid testing before entering the school?
As far as I know the staff and teachers were mandated to be vaccinated ... and guidelines sent out at the beginning of school asked everyone to not randomly enter the school but to setup an appointment ahead of time ... not sure how the appointments are handled since I've had no reason to query this, but knowing the school secretary her regulations around her charges would make the vaccine passport look like a hall pass to go to the bathroom ...
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These anti-vax people have to be stopped and quickly. They will only get bolder and bolder with their protests. This attempt to "serve papers" on a public school principal might have failed, but the next step could be a citizens arrest, and if the principal or other clinic official doesn't go peacefully, there could easily be violence. I expect weapons to put in an appearance at a clinic in the future as well.
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bob vernon wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 9:04 pm These anti-vax people have to be stopped and quickly. They will only get bolder and bolder with their protests. This attempt to "serve papers" on a public school principal might have failed, but the next step could be a citizens arrest, and if the principal or other clinic official doesn't go peacefully, there could easily be violence. I expect weapons to put in an appearance at a clinic in the future as well.
I feel this is already bottom of the barrel behavior. Schools and hospitals are neutral, leave them the hell alone, zones. This was over the line by far and the laws needed to be adjusted accordingly.
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JLives wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 10:49 pm
bob vernon wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 9:04 pm These anti-vax people have to be stopped and quickly. They will only get bolder and bolder with their protests. This attempt to "serve papers" on a public school principal might have failed, but the next step could be a citizens arrest, and if the principal or other clinic official doesn't go peacefully, there could easily be violence. I expect weapons to put in an appearance at a clinic in the future as well.
I feel this is already bottom of the barrel behavior. Schools and hospitals are neutral, leave them the hell alone, zones. This was over the line by far and the laws needed to be adjusted accordingly.
Schools should be neutral zones. We'd have to be blind not to understand the political and social engineering choice to host clinics for a controversial vaccine in schools, where these clinics would be seen as doing an end-run around parents of children as young as 12 who had chosen not to have their children vaccinated.
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rustled wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:10 am
JLives wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 10:49 pm

I feel this is already bottom of the barrel behavior. Schools and hospitals are neutral, leave them the hell alone, zones. This was over the line by far and the laws needed to be adjusted accordingly.
Schools should be neutral zones. We'd have to be blind not to understand the political and social engineering choice to host clinics for a controversial vaccine in schools, where these clinics would be seen as doing an end-run around parents of children as young as 12 who had chosen not to have their children vaccinated.
I'll lift my block for this post alone.

Children 12 and up have a legal right to their own medical decisions and have bodily autonomy. We don't own our children. That includes abortion btw. Children are their own people and are allowed to choose to get vaccinated even if they have crazy pants parents. It doesn't matter even a little bit if it's controversial. It's safe in most circumstances. And those children need a safe avenue to get a vaccine that ill informed parents might prevent them from. Should they choose to of their own accord.
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JLives wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:24 am
rustled wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:10 am

Schools should be neutral zones. We'd have to be blind not to understand the political and social engineering choice to host clinics for a controversial vaccine in schools, where these clinics would be seen as doing an end-run around parents of children as young as 12 who had chosen not to have their children vaccinated.
I'll lift my block for this post alone.
This off-topic announcement seems a little pointless, IMO.
JLives wrote:Children 12 and up have a legal right to their own medical decisions and have bodily autonomy. We don't own our children. That includes abortion btw. Children are their own people and are allowed to choose to get vaccinated even if they have crazy pants parents. It doesn't matter even a little bit if it's controversial. It's safe in most circumstances. And those children need a safe avenue to get a vaccine that ill informed parents might prevent them from. Should they choose to of their own accord.
Not every parent of a 12-year-old agrees their child is old enough to take full responsibility for their choices. It's hubris for any of us to judge these parents as "crazy pants" and "ill-informed". Schools are rife with peer pressure, and are generally environments where many of our children find it more difficult - not easier - to make choices of their own accord.

No one said we own our children. Most of us are, I think, quite capable of understanding the difference between helping our children make responsible choices for themselves as they mature, and "owning" our children.

Our schools are, increasingly, arenas where our children are pawns in various social engineering and political agendas, where they "learn" from other adults that their parents are "not informed enough" to help them make good choices.

It does matter when our schools are used for controversial purposes, and it certainly does matter when schools undermine parents. We used to work hard to build trust with those parents whose experiences as students had given them no reason to trust the public school system. We need parents to be partners in their children's education - adversarial and distrustful relationships between parents and our public schools are not in our children's best interests.

Hosting a controversial vaccine clinic in a school is a calculated move to ensure the public focuses their negative attention on those protesting - not on how parents are being undermined.
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Children have the right to access health care and they have the right to choose for their own bodies. No parent has the right to override that no matter the circumstances. They are their own people. It doesn't matter if the parents agree
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From the original article:
Interior Health is operating COVID-19 vaccination clinics in a number of area high schools, offering first and second shots to students and staff.
The clinics aren’t in elementary schools. We had vaccine clinics in my high school when I was a student; it was a efficient and convenient way to ensure a concentrated group of eligible people get a vaccine necessary for personal and public good.
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That's what we need here in B.C.
Quebec passes law to make protesting outside schools, hospitals and vaccinations sites illegal
New law will apply for 30-day period that can be renewed

"We're not against people demonstrating," said Dominique Anglade, the leader of the Quebec Liberal Party.

"We're against people intimidating and demonstrating in front of children and in locations that are dangerous for the people that are impacted."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.6186744
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Gilchy wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 6:31 am From the original article:
Interior Health is operating COVID-19 vaccination clinics in a number of area high schools, offering first and second shots to students and staff.
The clinics aren’t in elementary schools.
They're being very careful with their language, aren't they?

The clinics are in elementary schools, too. Here's one example:
The first one will take place at the Storefront Alternate School in Salmon Arm between 10 a.m. and 3:30 p.m. After that, they are scheduled as follows:

• Ranchero – Sept. 21, 12:15 to 2:45 p.m.; [this is Ranchero Elementary - note the omission]

• South Canoe, Sept. 22, 11 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.; [this is South Canoe Elementary - another omission]

• Salmon Arm Secondary, Sullivan, Sept. 24, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.;

• Eagle River Secondary, Sept. 27, 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.;

• Silver Creek Elementary, Sept. 28, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m.;

• Carlin Elementary Middle School, Sept. 29, 11:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.;

• Salmon Arm Secondary, Jackson, Oct. 1, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.
https://www.saobserver.net/news/vaccina ... p-schools/
(My underlining.)
Gilchy wrote:We had vaccine clinics in my high school when I was a student; it was a efficient and convenient way to ensure a concentrated group of eligible people get a vaccine necessary for personal and public good.
Those vaccines had not been politicized, and were far less controversial.

Some of us recall having the option to say "no" to having our children vaccinated, although I wouldn't have used that option so I can't be sure.
According to HealthLinkBC, under the B.C. Infants Act, children may consent to a medical treatment on their own so long as the health-care provider is sure the treatment is in the child’s best interest, and the child understands the details of the treatment, including risks and benefits.
We recognize that 12-year-olds generally don't understand risks very well, and yet we are expected to believe they are more capable of understanding the risks and benefits associated with vaccinations than their parents are.
It is up to the health-care provider to assess and ensure the child’s understanding of the treatment.

Mature minor consent is the consent a child gives to receive health care after the child has been assessed by a health-care provider as having the necessary understanding to give the consent.
I doubt I'm alone in wondering what this assessment looks like in practice.
A child who is a mature minor may make their own health-care decisions independent of their parents’ or guardians’ wishes.
Is a 12-year-old a mature minor?
In B.C. there is no set age when a child is considered capable to give consent. However, HealthLinkBC says common practice is for parents or guardians of children in Grade 6 to give consent for their child to be immunized.

Children in Grade 9 and older are given the opportunity to consent for themselves.
(My emphasis.)
The objective of hosting these clinics in schools is, like the vaccine passports, more about engaging in political and social engineering than about protecting public health. Hosting them in schools provided a way to turn the focus away from this, and onto the protesters who brought it to your attention.
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