Chinese commies hand Liberals 12 seats

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daria wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 1:57 pm Concerns about human rights abuses should be enough for us to criticize the CCP. The Uyghur Muslims are being held in internment camps.

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I actually got into a discussion with a Chinese national the other day, and it was pretty fascinating. I asked her how the Chinese could be taking over Afghanistan right now and working with the horrid Taliban, and she said that the Chinese model is they just don't care about what the government they are dealing with is doing to their own people. Stoning women to death? Who cares! I was kind of flabbergasted at this view of the world, but I guess, it is working for them. If you are willing to deal with the worst people on earth and have zero guilt about it, then you can pretty much do anything you want.

She also said that "we", being western civilization I guess, are "stupid" for even trying to "fix" these countries. Given the horrible track record of trying to fix countries, she may have a point there. Perhaps the Chinese attitude would change a bit if suddenly Al Quada starts flying giant passenger jets into their largest buildings in Shanghai and Beijing? Who knows.
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People have bought into BS that CCP is dishing out hook, line and sinker. Sooner or later it’s going comeback to bit these fools in the :cuss:.

I will sit back and say I told you so.
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GordonH wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 2:50 pm People have bought into BS that CCP is dishing out hook, line and sinker. Sooner or later it’s going comeback to bit these fools in the :cuss:.

I will sit back and say I told you so.
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JLives wrote: Sep 24th, 2021, 9:11 pm OP is looking for any excuse to not take ownership of why the Conservatives didn't win. The Liberals won for one reason, voters voted for them.
To borrow from another poster.......

Exactly.

It’s hilarious to see the machinations about what a great job O’Toole did, and how evil the liberals are.

People voted them in.....again. That is the democratic process we have in Canada. To ascribe "evil" to the process or the results is probably the most evil act of all.
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The bitterness. The BS. The fictional rants.
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bob vernon wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 3:09 pm The bitterness. The BS. The fictional rants.
I agree. The Liberals are so bitter that they accepted the help of Chinese commies, and still lost the election. Talk about a campaign that failed to resonate with voters. Resign Justin! We see you and your corrupt pals!!
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As far as I can find, Bill C-282 is not dead.

So, for consideration, here's a critique of the, "Act to establish the Foreign Influence Registry," in Canada--Bull C-282.

It's written by Tarun Krishnakumar, "A consultant researcher with the Foreign Influence Transparency Initiative at the Center for International Policy, Washington, D.C. He is an attorney admitted to practice in the U.S. and India."

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/authors/ ... ishnakuma/

Here it is:
Is Canada’s first proposed foreign influence legislation ruthless or toothless?

Bill C-282 aims to deter malign influence campaigns by hostile states on Canadian soil. But will it be enough for increasingly sophisticated threats?

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazine ... toothless/

by Tarun Krishnakumar

July 12, 2021

As the world continues to grapple with the effects of COVID-19, Canadian security services have flagged a pandemic of a different kind: that of hostile states conducting malign influence and interference campaigns targeting individuals and institutions on Canadian soil. As Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) director David Vigneault cautioned as recently as February 2021, factors such as globalization and the proliferation of technology have only enhanced the “scale, speed, range, and impact” of these campaigns.

While countering these threats will require wide-ranging policy responses spread across the spectrum of government and the private sector, the outlines of certain reforms have already begun to take shape. On April 13, 2021, Private Member’s Bill C-282 (titled “An Act to establish the Foreign Influence Registry”) was introduced in the House of Commons. This proposal mandates the creation of a Foreign Influence Registry to hold returns filed by individuals and entities that operate on behalf of foreign governments and political organizations to influence Canadian policy processes.

These returns must contain details relating to the identities of the concerned individuals or entities (referred to as agents) and their foreign principals, as well as details relating to the financial terms of the principal-agent relationship. While it’s a crucial first step in beginning the debate around counter-influence policy and legislation, serious questions must be asked about the proposal and if it will be enough to counter increasingly sophisticated threats.

Casting a spotlight on hidden channels of foreign influence

Targeted at improving transparency over lobbying-like foreign influence activities, C-282 follows the approach of existing frameworks found in the United States and Australia, and under consideration in the United Kingdom and Taiwan, among other jurisdictions.

While these frameworks vary widely in scope and substance, they all broadly aim to bring transparency to the conduct of lobbying, opinion formation, advocacy, public relations and similar activities. Most often, this objective is sought to be achieved through two primary mechanisms.

First, . . .

. . . (Conclusion) Despite being a private member’s bill that is unlikely to pass in its current form, C-282 is notable in that it sets out a benchmark, however inadequate, to begin discussions around the broader policy concerns. It adds to the existing and evolving discourse around the broader issue, and presents an outline of what a comprehensive foreign influence registration framework can look like.

After all, a final framework that is not the product of evidence-based discourse, wide-ranging stakeholder input and tailoring to the Canadian context, is likely to be all but a paper tiger in effectively countering unwanted foreign influence. Worse than not having a statutory response to foreign influence is having one that purports to address the threat but overpromises and underdelivers.
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daria wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 1:57 pmConcerns about human rights abuses should be enough for us to criticize the CCP.
But does that criticism have to take the form of severing all contact ? I'm saying that yes, we should be aware of their controversial policies, and take steps to shelter Canadian businesses and citizens from any possible effects those policies might have for them, but make an enemy out of them ? Not a good idea in my mind. It is expected that China will surpass the US as the world's largest economic power before the end of this decade, we have to be a little smarter than simply calling them names and cutting off their wheat shipments.
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fluffy wrote: we have to be a little smarter than simply calling them names
After three successive election losses you would think there might be some effort put into self-reflection. Conservatives are such slow learners.
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^ very. BUt they can't give it a rest. sad really
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Ka-El wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 4:44 pm
fluffy wrote: we have to be a little smarter than simply calling them names
After three successive election losses you would think there might be some effort put into self-reflection. Conservatives are such slow learners.
Canada has only 2 winning political parties... its either Conservatives or Liberals, the closest a third party has come is opposition.
Main reason for that is nobody could stand the Liberal leader, even their own liberal supporters.

impo the conservative party needs to completely rethink how they elect a leader, last 2 have been complete duds.
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fluffy wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 3:31 pm
daria wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 1:57 pmConcerns about human rights abuses should be enough for us to criticize the CCP.
But does that criticism have to take the form of severing all contact ? I'm saying that yes, we should be aware of their controversial policies, and take steps to shelter Canadian businesses and citizens from any possible effects those policies might have for them, but make an enemy out of them ? Not a good idea in my mind. It is expected that China will surpass the US as the world's largest economic power before the end of this decade, we have to be a little smarter than simply calling them names and cutting off their wheat shipments.
There are zero critiques of what the CCP is doing to the Uyghur Muslim population in China. If Western governments (including our own) stood up to them, perhaps we could influence them to free the Uyghurs from their "re-education" camps (and stop the forced abortions and forced sterilizations).
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fluffy wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:56 pm
bb49 wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 11:07 am What's my plan? I have one.
Cutting off all ties with china? Cut as much as possible.
Chinese money just as good? Then so is the cash that your neighbourhood fentanyl dealer has in his pocket. Would you do business with him?

How about giving your head a real big shake.
How about reading up a bit on what that despicable country has been up to in regards to abuses of human rights.
And you don't give a damn about what they just did to two of our citizens, and some of you are prepared to simply move on.

My plan?
I'll carry on as I always have. Buying as few goods as possible that say Made in China.

The rest of you, just keep your membership up to date in the United Front. Xi will keep you on his Christmas list. He loves Canadians like you.

What gives us the right to tell China how to run their country ? I don't care for the way Wal-Mart does business, but I shop there now and then if it's something I can't find anywhere else. Canada does close to $100 Billion in trade per year with China, what do you say to the people in Canada whose jobs depend on that money ? While I respect your right to refuse to buy Chinese goods you do not have the right to make that decision for others.
Reading comprehension is useful prior to responding to comments.

Now please point out to us where I'm telling China how to run their country?

And please tell us where I'm making decisions for others.

Or are you mistakingly responding to the wrong comment?

As for China, I have no use for that despicable country.
But if your love for China is offended by my comments, too bad. For the time being I'm still entitled to my opinion in this country.
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Where is the proof that China supported the Liberals? I don't see anything? Not that I am not pleased if they did. They must know a good government and policies when they see one I guess.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 5:20 pm Where is the proof that China supported the Liberals? I don't see anything? Not that I am not pleased if they did. They must know a good government and policies when they see one I guess.
No, they know a cooperative government when they see one.
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