Chinese commies hand Liberals 12 seats

[normaM]

of course all you chinese commie haters own NOTHING made there ( they make nearly everything

[fluffy]

The number of people on this forum that have strong favourable opinions of China should really be a concern, not just to Canadians but to citizens of all democracies.

Whether they are silent on China's human rights abuses, silent on Chinese influence in our governments, opposed to boycotting Chinese goods or simply prepared to now sweep the Two Michaels travesty under the rug and move on, one has to wonder where their true loyalties lie.

Are they subservient to the United Front? Do they regularly read The Global Times?

Whatever their reasons for being pro-Chinese, it should be a concern to all who view our freedom as being fragile and easily lost.

So that's it eh ? If you're not with us you're against us ? I think Canada-China relations is best left to diplomats who understand the intricacies of international politics. A "blunt instrument" approach will do more harm than good.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1235032.shtml

[Merry]

of course all you chinese commie haters own NOTHING made there ( they make nearly everything

Norma, even our own intelligence services have warned us about inappropriate Chinese influence in Canadian affairs. It does seem odd that our Government chooses to ignore such warnings.

[fluffy]

Norma, even our own intelligence services have warned us about inappropriate Chinese influence in Canadian affairs. It does seem odd that our Government chooses to ignore such warnings.

But aren't we working in that direction already ? Isn't that what bills like C-76 and C-282 are about ?

[PoplarSoul]

The number of people on this forum that have strong favourable opinions of China should really be a concern, not just to Canadians but to citizens of all democracies.

Whether they are silent on China's human rights abuses, silent on Chinese influence in our governments, opposed to boycotting Chinese goods or simply prepared to now sweep the Two Michaels travesty under the rug and move on, one has to wonder where their true loyalties lie.

Are they subservient to the United Front? Do they regularly read The Global Times?

Whatever their reasons for being pro-Chinese, it should be a concern to all who view our freedom as being fragile and easily lost.

Who is pro-Chinese on these forums?
Meanwhile, do you know the answer to my prior question?
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Per article:
"After digging through unexpectedly high Liberal vote counts in Vancouver and Toronto, former Conservative organizer Karamveer Lalh concluded in a tweet thread that up to a dozen seats in heavily Chinese-Canadian areas may have been lost to the Conservatives due to Chinese-language efforts by pro-Beijing groups."

The article doesn't mention where these 12 seats are.
Which ridings exactly?
Anyone knows?

[PoplarSoul]

silent on Chinese influence in our governments

Agree the prior government wanted to keep the China FIPA deal silent.
No wonder, it was a horrible deal.
31 year deal back in 2014.
24 years to go.

[Merry]

Norma, even our own intelligence services have warned us about inappropriate Chinese influence in Canadian affairs. It does seem odd that our Government chooses to ignore such warnings.

But aren't we working in that direction already ? Isn't that what bills like C-76 and C-282 are about ?

C76 dealt with foreign funding, not foreign interference.

The NDP tried to draw attention to this omission, but were shut down when the Liberals invoked closure.

And here’s a quote from a critique of Bill C-282

the proposed act is extremely limited in terms of the range of influence activities it aims to cover. Failing to recognize the diverse targets and channels of modern campaigns, the bill applies only to agents who participate in (or arrange) meetings with government on a narrow spectrum of issues. Unlike comparable frameworks abroad, no obligations apply in relation to influence aimed at other common targets including the public, private sector and non-governmental organizations. This key shortcoming will guarantee that the bill applies only to an extremely narrow slice of the overall influence and interference spectrum identified by agencies including the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).

Second, the narrow scope of the act is compounded by the manner in which it operationalizes transparency. It mandates an extremely limited set of returns to be filed by covered agents. Agents are only required to file basic information concerning themselves, their foreign principal and the financial terms of their representation. No disclosures are required about the objectives of the representation, the ongoing activities of agents – or the targets of disseminations (for example, by labelling material distributed on behalf of foreign principals).

Overall, this will provide extremely limited information about the day-to-day conduct of foreign agents in Canada. To enable a more granular study of the threat – and to adopt specific mechanisms to deter it – agents must be required to make much more detailed disclosures on an ongoing basis. As with the Lobbying Act, this must – at a minimum – include disclosures relating to advocacy, methods of engagement and specific targets. Anything less will result in an unnecessarily narrow framework that does little to bring transparency to foreign influence.

Lastly, C-282 is also limited in that it only applies to agents acting on behalf of principals located in countries specifically designated by the Canadian government. In other words, it does not apply to foreign influence writ large. While politically expedient, this is problematic from a broader policy perspective as it opens up the framework to claims that it is discriminatory and unfairly targeted at certain countries.

This can undermine legitimacy and even result in issues under international law. In terms of effectiveness, such an approach opens up the framework to being gamed – for example, through the use of proxy principals from third-party states who do not have to file returns under the framework. If Canada is truly concerned about influence emanating from specific foreign sources (such as those flagged by CSIS), this can form part of enforcement priorities or resource allocation at the implementation level. It is, however, questionable whether the cost-benefit analysis favours such a limitation being hard coded into the statute.

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazine ... toothless/

[crookedmember]

The Reform/Alliance Cons paid disruptors from the UK and Australia millions to create havoc and run their campaign to take Canada back . . .

. . . and now they're blaming imaginary Chinese interference for the fact they lost to Trudeau for the third time after running an awful campaign that saw daily flip-flops and the Cons on the wrong side of every issue?

That's rich, especially after . . .





The fact is, the Reform/Alliance Cons are simply suckers too stupid to govern.

[The Green Barbarian]

The Reform/Alliance Cons paid disruptors from the UK and Australia millions to create havoc and run their campaign to take Canada back . . .

I don't know who the "Reform/Alliance Cons" are, so I am assuming that this statement is just nonsense.

. . . and now they're blaming imaginary Chinese interference

I don't see anyone "blaming" anyone, just various government security agencies like CSIS and journalists asking that the actual, real and not imaginary Chinese communist government interference in the Canadian election be investigated. And rightly so. Any foreign interference in our democracy, be it evil communist governments or horrible ex-presidents (and failed presidential wannabes) should be investigated. We need free and fair elections in this country, even if one of our main political parties wants to hop into bed with scum.

The fact is, the Reform/Alliance Cons are simply suckers too stupid to govern.

Since no one knows who the "Reform/Alliance Cons" are, it's not really possible to have an opinion either way on this statement. The fact is that what we have governing us now definitely is too stupid to govern, and has to rely on evil foreign communist governments intervention to stay in power. And that's just not something any real Canadian should accept.

[PoplarSoul]

Which Canadian ridings will be investigated?
Where are those 12 seats exactly?

[The Green Barbarian]

Which Canadian ridings will be investigated?
Where are those 12 seats exactly?

If you had just read the opening post to the thread, you'd have seen the guy who is talking about the evil Chinese commie interference, that of course helped the weak-spined loser Liberals. Here's the thread:

https://twitter.com/KLalh/status/144048 ... gr%5Etweet

[PoplarSoul]

Which Canadian ridings will be investigated?
Where are those 12 seats exactly?

If you had just read the opening post to the thread, you'd have seen the guy who is talking about the evil Chinese commie interference, that of course helped the weak-spined loser Liberals. Here's the thread:

https://twitter.com/KLalh/status/144048 ... gr%5Etweet

No mention of the 12 ridings.
Could you named them for me?
Thanks.

[crookedmember]

Which Canadian ridings will be investigated?
Where are those 12 seats exactly?

They believe baseless accusations on Twitter are "investigations."

[ferri]

[Merry]

For the record, it isn’t only Conservative supporters who are concerned about China’s influence in Canada

Canada’s intelligence agencies have taken the rare step of naming China as a significant threat to the country’s sovereignty, with CSIS director David Vigneault publicly saying in a February 2021 speech that Canadians are being “aggressively” targeted by foreign interests – and Beijing was engaged in “activities that are a direct threat to our national security and sovereignty.”

“Under the Chinese Communist regime, Chinese Communist Party members have an executive decision role in all of the companies and NGOs that operate out of China,” Cherie Wong, executive director of Alliance Canada Hong Kong, explained to CTVNews.ca in an interview.

Wong’s observations were seconded by Charles Burton, senior fellow at the MacDonald-Laurier Institute and an expert on Canada-China relations.

“All business enterprises in China, whether they're state-owned enterprises or non- state-owned enterprises, have at the peak of their organization the Chinese Communist Party branch, which coordinates the activities of every organization so that it serves the interests of all,” Burton said in a telephone interview with CTVNews.ca.

Burton, using the example of Chinese telecom giant Huawei, said that “under Chinese law, all Chinese citizens are required to cooperate with the Chinese intelligence and security services if asked…If the Chinese state wanted to use Huawei to obtain personal data files or to identify means to sabotage critical infrastructure, then they would be required to provide that.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/activists ... -1.5407770