Saskatchewan stop on organ donations will have ripple effect

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Yeh right he wants the lung but not the vaccine stupid selfish person. Doctors expertise to give him a life and at enormous cost to the public purse plus the sacrifice as a loved one that will pass the lungs . Too bad you lose let a someone else take his place good luck but stupid is stupid
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binky11 wrote: Sep 28th, 2021, 1:01 pm
whatwhat wrote: Sep 28th, 2021, 12:25 pm Sounds like he refused himself the right to live. There are so many people waiting for organ transplants, if someone can't meet the requirements then it goes someone else who can. We all are allowed to have our opinions, but the medical field is going to follow what they recommend. He might believe that the vaccine is not approved or safe, but the medical system believes it is.

I feel sorry for his family that he has made this decision.
His family are all supporting him in this decision. We all believe he has a better chance of living without the so called vaccine. So does one of his specialists and that’s why he’s going to bat for him.
Doctors don't make transplant decisions based on beliefs. This guy's family are not transplant doctors. the transplant team know that someone with a transplanted organ will have to be on anti-rejections medications, and he will be at higher risk of dying of covid. So they have to decide which patient has a better chance of survival, and they know the odds, that means someone who is fully vaccinated, and quite possibly will need a booster as well. so why waste an organ in someone who won't look after it to the best of their ability?
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 29th, 2021, 7:50 pm
binky11 wrote: Sep 28th, 2021, 1:01 pm

His family are all supporting him in this decision. We all believe he has a better chance of living without the so called vaccine. So does one of his specialists and that’s why he’s going to bat for him.
Doctors don't make transplant decisions based on beliefs. This guy's family are not transplant doctors. the transplant team know that someone with a transplanted organ will have to be on anti-rejections medications, and he will be at higher risk of dying of covid. So they have to decide which patient has a better chance of survival, and they know the odds, that means someone who is fully vaccinated, and quite possibly will need a booster as well. so why waste an organ in someone who won't look after it to the best of their ability?
Exactly. Post transplant life is not always easy. Transplant recipients have been living "the new normal" long before the phrase became attached to Covid. They take large amounts of medications twice a day, every day. The cost of these medications is over $1000 a month for the rest of their life. This cost is covered by BC Transplant. This is over and above the cost of the transplant itself which is probably well over a million dollars.

https://www.healthline.com/health/medic ... icare-pays

They have dietary restrictions, certain foods interact with the medications. They need to be very careful about catching even a cold since they are immunosuppressed.
They are followed for the rest of their lives by the transplant team.

If someone shows they are non-compliant at the beginning, it indicates that they may continue to not follow medical advice after. If his family really wants to support him, they will encourage him to get the vaccine.
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gardengirl wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 8:28 am If someone shows they are non-compliant at the beginning, it indicates that they may continue to not follow medical advice after. If his family really wants to support him, they will encourage him to get the vaccine.
Who should he comply with, the specialist that says the vaccine is risky for him, or the people who think he should get it anyway?
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rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:25 am
gardengirl wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 8:28 am If someone shows they are non-compliant at the beginning, it indicates that they may continue to not follow medical advice after. If his family really wants to support him, they will encourage him to get the vaccine.
Who should he comply with, the specialist that says the vaccine is risky for him, or the people who think he should get it anyway?

Well obviously he should do whats best for the greater good of everyone and disregard what his quack specialist says. Otherwise hes selfish and should just die anyway. /s
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KiloHotel wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:27 am Well obviously he should do whats best for the greater good of everyone and disregard what his quack specialist says. Otherwise hes selfish and should just die anyway. /s
We don't know what the "quack specialist" said.
Truths can be backed up by facts - do you have any?
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Fancy wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:44 am
KiloHotel wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:27 am Well obviously he should do whats best for the greater good of everyone and disregard what his quack specialist says. Otherwise hes selfish and should just die anyway. /s
We don't know what the "quack specialist" said.
It's not difficult for me to believe a doctor recommended against the vaccine. We have a family friend who wanted the vaccine but was told by his doctor it would be too risky.
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rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 10:46 am It's not difficult for me to believe a doctor recommended against the vaccine. We have a family friend who wanted the vaccine but was told by his doctor it would be too risky.
The question would be "why"?
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rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 10:46 am
Fancy wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:44 am

We don't know what the "quack specialist" said.
It's not difficult for me to believe a doctor recommended against the vaccine. We have a family friend who wanted the vaccine but was told by his doctor it would be too risky.
Is your friend a Transplant recipient? I doubt it.

I have already posted the link from BC Transplant.

http://www.transplant.bc.ca/health-info ... r-patients
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rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:25 am
gardengirl wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 8:28 am If someone shows they are non-compliant at the beginning, it indicates that they may continue to not follow medical advice after. If his family really wants to support him, they will encourage him to get the vaccine.
Who should he comply with, the specialist that says the vaccine is risky for him, or the people who think he should get it anyway?
Again, I would ask the name of this "specialist" who is "going to bat" for him.
From what I read, there is no mention of the vaccine being too risky.
The patient has decided HE does not want the vaccine.

The pre-screening for transplant is very, very detailed. If this fellow actually had a CONTRAINDICATION for the vaccine, the transplant team would know that and make the appropriate recommendations. From what Binky said, they are recommending the vaccine.
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gardengirl wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 1:36 pm
rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 10:46 am

It's not difficult for me to believe a doctor recommended against the vaccine. We have a family friend who wanted the vaccine but was told by his doctor it would be too risky.
Is your friend a Transplant recipient? I doubt it.

I have already posted the link from BC Transplant.

http://www.transplant.bc.ca/health-info ... r-patients
No - I didn't make that claim. My point was that I do not find it difficult to believe, as some here seem to, that there are doctors who are recommending against vaccines for patients in some circumstances.
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gardengirl wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 1:47 pm
rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 9:25 am

Who should he comply with, the specialist that says the vaccine is risky for him, or the people who think he should get it anyway?
Again, I would ask the name of this "specialist" who is "going to bat" for him.
From what I read, there is no mention of the vaccine being too risky.
The patient has decided HE does not want the vaccine.

The pre-screening for transplant is very, very detailed. If this fellow actually had a CONTRAINDICATION for the vaccine, the transplant team would know that and make the appropriate recommendations. From what Binky said, they are recommending the vaccine.
I didn't ask what you would do, though - I asked who he should comply with.

You have since made plain that you do not believe his specialist has recommended against the vaccine for him. Which is, of course, your prerogative. I'm certainly not prepared to argue with you about whether or not another poster is telling the truth - not my place.
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Fancy wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 12:42 pm
rustled wrote: Sep 30th, 2021, 10:46 am It's not difficult for me to believe a doctor recommended against the vaccine. We have a family friend who wanted the vaccine but was told by his doctor it would be too risky.
The question would be "why"?
It's not my place to ask. I know his wife is vaccinated and he wants it, too, and they are worried and keeping him as isolated as possible. I've no reason to think they're lying about it.
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