All Things Trudeau, Chapter 2

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zerograv wrote: Oct 4th, 2021, 6:50 pm Considering the conspiracy theories, fake media stories, lies, and faux outrage while speaking over first nations (which is a hell of a lot worse than spending the day with family) it's no wonder why this country is divided.

But it's not divided for the reason Trudeau haters think it is.
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zerograv wrote: Oct 4th, 2021, 6:50 pm Considering the conspiracy theories, fake media stories, lies, and faux outrage while speaking over first nations (which is a hell of a lot worse than spending the day with family) it's no wonder why this country is divided.

But it's not divided for the reason Trudeau haters think it is.
Trudeau has stoked divisions between identifiable groups in this country ever since he was first elected.

Although divisions existed before he came to power, he’s stirred the pot for his own political gain at every available opportunity. And our country is even more divided now because of it.
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zerograv wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:12 am
rustled wrote: Oct 4th, 2021, 8:07 pm
It seems to me you are suggesting that only a First Nations person has a right to say Trudeau did a disservice to Truth and Reconciliation, or behaved disrespectfully toward First Nations people.

If so, I disagree. I would certainly never claim men are "pretending to speak on behalf of women" when they say Trudeau does a disservice to all women by suggesting we can't earn cabinet positions without his help.

We are all entitled to our opinions, and we are all entitled to express those opinions.

Well what "seems to you" is wrong.
Thanks for clarifying, although the choice to again use the phrase "using my people" below continues to strongly suggest otherwise:
zerograv wrote:I'm saying people like a certain someone here who don't give a hoot about TR if their main concern is using my people for their anti Trudeau rhetoric.
This is a thread about Trudeau, in which we critique his performance as our prime minister.

It seems to me there should be no need for anyone to explain their personal position on Truth and Reconciliation in order to comment on Trudeau's inability to take his responsibilities as prime minister seriously on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

The bottom line is that he has always struggled to take his responsibilities to all Canadians seriously.
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Merry wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:22 am
zerograv wrote: Oct 4th, 2021, 6:50 pm Considering the conspiracy theories, fake media stories, lies, and faux outrage while speaking over first nations (which is a hell of a lot worse than spending the day with family) it's no wonder why this country is divided.

But it's not divided for the reason Trudeau haters think it is.
Trudeau has stoked divisions between identifiable groups in this country ever since he was first elected.

Although divisions existed before he came to power, he’s stirred the pot for his own political gain at every available opportunity. And our country is even more divided now because of it.
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We certainly see that playing out here. Canadians - ALL Canadians - deserve better. That doesn't mean anyone saying it "hates" Trudeau. We don't have to get emotionally involved to see he's doing a bad job.
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Trudeau has now beat the moribund Reform/Alliance CPC three times, and I believe it's possible for him to run and whup them a 4th straight time.

Here's why.

The CPC is a party held together by spit and a prayer. Preston Manning's right-wing extremists, and moderates from the old PC party.

These factions have a hard time getting along, and their current 98 pound weakling leader will have a hard time holding them together. Never mind away from each other's throats.

I believe before the next election, the CPC will split in two. Three parties will then be contesting the right wing vote. And Trudeau will ride to victory for a forth time with a majority government.
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crookedmember wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:34 am Trudeau has now beat the moribund Reform/Alliance CPC three times, and I believe it's possible for him to run and whup them a 4th straight time.

Here's why.

The CPC is a party held together by spit and a prayer. Preston Manning's right-wing extremists, and moderates from the old PC party.

These factions have a hard time getting along, and their current 98 pound weakling leader will have a hard time holding them together. Never mind away from each other's throats.

I believe before the next election, the CPC will split in two. Three parties will then be contesting the right wing vote. And Trudeau will ride to victory for a forth time with a majority government.
At least you admit that he didn’t win because he deserved to win. He won because his opposition was in disarray.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of Canadians voted AGAINST Trudeau and his policies.
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rustled wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:32 am
zerograv wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:12 am


Well what "seems to you" is wrong.
Thanks for clarifying, although the choice to again use the phrase "using my people" below continues to strongly suggest otherwise:
zerograv wrote:I'm saying people like a certain someone here who don't give a hoot about TR if their main concern is using my people for their anti Trudeau rhetoric.
This is a thread about Trudeau, in which we critique his performance as our prime minister.

It seems to me there should be no need for anyone to explain their personal position on Truth and Reconciliation in order to comment on Trudeau's inability to take his responsibilities as prime minister seriously on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

The bottom line is that he has always struggled to take his responsibilities to all Canadians seriously.
Actually, I use my people because they are my people :up:

And yes, you clearly DO need to state your position on TR if you're going to use it for fodder. If you yourself has done and contributed nothing, then you're in no position to use it for your agenda.

Other than some professional FN Trudeau haters and JWR parents, the vast majority of FN were totally fine with JW letting us have the mic that day.....until settler media destroyed it.

Why don't those voices count?

Oh I know.....because they don't push the narrative.
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crookedmember wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:04 am It's certainly interesting that Canada's (mostly American-owned) media was so upset that Trudeau spent time with his family in Tofino . . .
It wasn't just the media though. This was across the entire spectrum of Canadian politics, everyone was cheesed at the arrogance and stupidity on display from our idiot PM. Once again!
Just more Trudeau derangement syndrome, and depression, sadness and anger
It is sad that this clown is supposedly the leader of a country, and he's so dense and tone-def that he pulls an insane stunt like this. A completely stupid move, by a completely stupid man.
over getting whupped for the third straight time.
This literally didn't happen.
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crookedmember wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:34 am Trudeau has now beat the moribund Reform/Alliance CPC three times, and I believe it's possible for him to run and whup them a 4th straight time.
Considering Trudeau hasn't "whupped" anyone for the past two elections, and is continuing to look like a giant *bleep*, yet again, no, he's not going to whup anyone. He should resign, immediately, as he has passed his best before date.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:12 am Justin has a tough time reading and understanding things.

He thought he was declaring "Truth and Recreation Day."

After all the dope he has smoked, perhaps we can understand why his comprehension level is a notch below a preschooler's.
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Merry wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:22 am
Trudeau has stoked divisions between identifiable groups in this country ever since he was first elected.

Although divisions existed before he came to power, he’s stirred the pot for his own political gain at every available opportunity. And our country is even more divided now because of it.
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zerograv wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:44 am
rustled wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:32 am
Thanks for clarifying, although the choice to again use the phrase "using my people" below continues to strongly suggest otherwise:


This is a thread about Trudeau, in which we critique his performance as our prime minister.

It seems to me there should be no need for anyone to explain their personal position on Truth and Reconciliation in order to comment on Trudeau's inability to take his responsibilities as prime minister seriously on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

The bottom line is that he has always struggled to take his responsibilities to all Canadians seriously.
Actually, I use my people because they are my people :up:

And yes, you clearly DO need to state your position on TR if you're going to use it for fodder.
If you yourself has done and contributed nothing, then you're in no position to use it for your agenda.

Other than some professional FN Trudeau haters and JWR parents, the vast majority of FN were totally fine with JW letting us have the mic that day.....until settler media destroyed it.

Why don't those voices count?

Oh I know.....because they don't push the narrative.
People are commenting on Trudeau's behaviour. While it's your choice to see TR as using it for fodder, and to turn this into the FN vs the settlers, your "us" vs "them", IMO there's no logical reason to expect anyone else to go along with it.

All voices count.

No one should be expected to remain silent about Trudeau's lack of respect on Truth and Reconciliation Day because they're not First Nations, any more than those of us who are not veterans should be expected to stay silent if he goes surfing on Remembrance Day unless we can show we've done something for veterans or contributed to them in some way.

We are all Canadians, we all get a voice about how our leader is behaving in a way we find disrespectful.

Trudeau has been a source of division in this country from day one. We don't have to let him pit us against each other. That's our choice.
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rustled wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 10:24 am
People are commenting on Trudeau's behaviour. While it's your choice to see TR as using it for fodder, and to turn this into the FN vs the settlers, your "us" vs "them", IMO there's no logical reason to expect anyone else to go along with it.

All voices count.

No one should be expected to remain silent about Trudeau's lack of respect on Truth and Reconciliation Day because they're not First Nations, any more than those of us who are not veterans should be expected to stay silent if he goes surfing on Remembrance Day unless we can show we've done something for veterans or contributed to them in some way.

We are all Canadians, we all get a voice about how our leader is behaving in a way we find disrespectful.

Trudeau has been a source of division in this country from day one. We don't have to let him pit us against each other. That's our choice.
Nailed it Rustled! It's such bogus apologist nonsense to somehow silence anyone who dares have an opinion on the disgusting behavior of our brain-dead PM. These people should be ashamed of themselves.

But once again, as Sid Seixeiro pointed out, the real "crime" here wasn't just Justin's callous and stupid behavior in jetting off for a holiday, it was that he and the PMO lied about it. This slinking off to Tofino was planned weeks in advance, and his schedule was deliberately misrepresented to cover it up. Justin is a liar and a scumbag. Notice that the apologists never bring that up?
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Merry wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 9:22 am

Trudeau has stoked divisions between identifiable groups in this country ever since he was first elected.

Although divisions existed before he came to power, he’s stirred the pot for his own political gain at every available opportunity. And our country is even more divided now because of it.
This is ridiculous. It's not Trudeau doing the stoking.

It's the Reform/Alliance CPC and their partners Canada Proud, Rebel Media, Post Millennial and Buffalo Chronicles that stoke divisions.

In fact, Tiny O'Toole's expensive UK advisors admitted that the way to win elections is to stoke anger, fear and hate, and this is what they did.

Heck, the Cons even had memes with swarthy brown people. I've got receipts.


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crookedmember wrote: Oct 5th, 2021, 10:34 am
This is ridiculous. It's not Trudeau doing the stoking.
It's not ridiculous. It IS Trudeau doing the stoking. Resign Justin - you are a terrible PM.
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