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Septuagenarian wrote: Sep 11th, 2021, 7:50 am How things are going, glacier wise, at the Columbia Icefield.
The ice is melting (period).
What do you expect the ice to do? Grow? Melt? Stay the same? What should ice do after an ice age?
Septuagenarian wrote: Sep 11th, 2021, 7:50 am ‘Why Researching Glaciers can be “demoralizing” work’
I think people who do not understand the science are easily demoralized.

Thankfully, the minimum Arctic ice extent this year is going to be almost 2 million sq-km larger. The Arctic ice was supposed to be gone according to ‘activists’ a long time ago. It has been stable or growing for the last 15 years. Antarctic ice is increasing.
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It would be interesting to know how much ice (glaciers) was around at warmest prior to last Ice-age.

It is curious how close we are at that same point again.
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From what I understand, the last interglacial had sea levels that were 7m above what we have today 125,000 years ago. Recently though about 6000 years ago levels were 10m higher. Our jagged interglacial peaks will start a gradual fall in a few thousand years towards conditions no one will like. No one knows what causes the ice ages… if the planet is warming and ice is melting and methane is released and ‘feedbacks’ amplify that effect, how does it suddenly reverse? We are still in a period of melt. Something has to melt. The question is what will reverse it. Whatever the future holds, it won’t be good for Winnipeg :-)

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Minimum Arctic ice extent increasing over the last 10+ years.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/12/ ... -10-years/

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the truth wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 3:15 pm greenland will be just fine https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/10364521 ... -first-tim
Thanks Truth! :up:

What you mention is also reflected here in some detail. You have the likes of CNN and others saying "Rain fell at the normally snowy summit of Greenland for the first time on record,". It is a lie since Greenland saw rain in 1933 and in 1950 on their snowy summits. The media reacts with a partial story ignoring the actual Greenland situation. The author of the article you provided mentioned "rain for the first time" which isn't true, but the snow pummeling is. The media has difficulty keeping the story straight since too many lies about climate change are circulating.
This year, Greenland’s surface mass balance (SMB) was higher than the 30-year average during many days of the year. SMB is the net balance between the accumulation and ablation on a glacier’s surface, typically denoted by mass gain and mass loss.

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SMB data for 2021 show that there has been no significant melting and there was also a surprising gain in the SMB during the summer months, which is usually the melting season.
Obviously no accelerating melt here, or any melt at all. In fact accumulation is above it's 30 year average.
So not only has the media lied to the public about the “never-before” rainfall event, it has also withheld the truth about the above-average SMB that was witnessed during the past 50 days.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/13/ ... te-change/
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Darn it Jlabute. You really should make such information public, shout it from rooftops, throw the message out from airplane…oh, wait….

You just did.

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I try with my little eye :-)

Banks, insurance companies, and mainstream media outlets all repeat the same lies which eventually hit us directly and indirectly in our pocketbooks. No one wants to lose a portion of their livelihood over a lie. Anyone who says "OOooooo poor Kelowna, we are all seriously affected by climate change. Not a day goes by when I don't think we are all doomed - literally" is parroting a common lie not based on science, but based on bad models, or fear and manipulation.

Insurance rates rise, banks tell us 100's of millions of people need to immigrate, entire countries will be wiped off the face of the earth due to rising sea levels, and many other repeated false predictions meant to scare us in to giving up money and freedom.

The basis of all these lies are computer models. We will see in coming years that modelled temperatures will climb higher and higher, departing further and further from actual temperatures. The IPCC and model makers are already scrambling to explain what is happening. As models become more and more 'alarmist', they become less and less believable. The World Bank forecasts immigration problems based solely on bad models. We are supposed to have huge immigration problems due to failed crops and rising sea levels, but harvests are increasing world-wide and the oceans are rising as expected. The Media pours out plenty of alarm - it is "code red for humanity", "It's grim", and at the same time ignores critical rebuttal.
But as climate scientists face this alarming reality, the climate models that help them project the future have grown a little too alarmist. Many of the world's leading models are now projecting warming rates that most scientists, including the modelmakers themselves, believe are implausibly fast.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/14/ ... migration/

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This is an interesting article examining what was falsely reported as bleached coral. Interesting thing about coral is it is difficult to see their true colours until close, depending on their depth in sea water. Jennifer examines a particular coral photo used in an April 2021 article claiming corals were bleached. The photo itself was taken 4 or more years earlier which makes it seem disingenuous. Jennifer in a quest to get exact information including RAW images was met with silence.

Jennifer provides a color corrected photo to show the suspect coral is a normal beige colour which is the colour of most coral. There is no shortage of lies in the quest of truth.

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2021/09/bl ... -distance/


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The Great Barrier Reef is experiencing record high levels of coral coverage.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/27/ ... -coverage/
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looks like the majority of countries opt for nuclear power.Japan returns to nuclear power and intends to use their 30 nuclear power plants again.A new super cycle for nuclear power (equities have gains of 300% and another 250 to 300% coming soon.

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I suppose we will see what the future holds in terms of ratio of large nuclear power plants to SMR. I’m excited about nuclear. We are not going to get to a technologically evolved world without massive continuous electric power. Wind and solar will never cut it.
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If we consider what climate scientists say, there are three new studies that call out cloud albedo and not emissions as the cause of global warming.

Three new studies affirm the increase in absorbed solar radiation associated with decreased reflection by clouds (albedo) has been the “root cause” of the positive Earth Energy Imbalance and global warming since the early 2000s.
Scientists (Loeb et al., 2021) have determined the rather uncertain positive trend in Earth’s Energy Imbalance (EEI) from 2005 to 2019, 0.5 W/m² ±0.47 W/m² per decade−1, is “primarily due to an increase in absorbed solar radiation associated with decreased reflection by clouds.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/20/ ... emissions/
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Jlabute wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 8:00 am If we consider what climate scientists say, there are three new studies that call out cloud albedo and not emissions as the cause of global warming.

Three new studies affirm the increase in absorbed solar radiation associated with decreased reflection by clouds (albedo) has been the “root cause” of the positive Earth Energy Imbalance and global warming since the early 2000s.
Scientists (Loeb et al., 2021) have determined the rather uncertain positive trend in Earth’s Energy Imbalance (EEI) from 2005 to 2019, 0.5 W/m² ±0.47 W/m² per decade−1, is “primarily due to an increase in absorbed solar radiation associated with decreased reflection by clouds.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/20/ ... emissions/
Either way they are guess because there are other climate scientists saying the exact opposite....
There are contradictory assessments of current trends in global albedo, possibly because the changes and effects are small. Research is being conducted into the role of clouds, both as forcings and feedbacks, and the role of albedo in cloud formation.

Recent research indicates that global albedo is fairly constant, and having no material effect on global temperatures. Local effects may be more pronounced. Loss of albedo in the Arctic could heat the water sufficiently to release methane stored in ice crystals called clathrates. (Methane is a greenhouse gas far more potent than CO2).

Loss of albedo in the Arctic will accelerate warming across adjacent permafrost, releasing methane. Melting permafrost may reduce its albedo, another positive feedback that will accelerate warming. Ocean warming from reduced Arctic albedo will also accelerate melting at the edges of the Greenland ice cap, speeding up sea level rise.
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Jlabute wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 2:56 pm
the truth wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 3:15 pm greenland will be just fine https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/10364521 ... -first-tim
Thanks Truth! :up:

What you mention is also reflected here in some detail. You have the likes of CNN and others saying "Rain fell at the normally snowy summit of Greenland for the first time on record,". It is a lie since Greenland saw rain in 1933 and in 1950 on their snowy summits. The media reacts with a partial story ignoring the actual Greenland situation. The author of the article you provided mentioned "rain for the first time" which isn't true, but the snow pummeling is. The media has difficulty keeping the story straight since too many lies about climate change are circulating.
This year, Greenland’s surface mass balance (SMB) was higher than the 30-year average during many days of the year. SMB is the net balance between the accumulation and ablation on a glacier’s surface, typically denoted by mass gain and mass loss.

...

SMB data for 2021 show that there has been no significant melting and there was also a surprising gain in the SMB during the summer months, which is usually the melting season.
Obviously no accelerating melt here, or any melt at all. In fact accumulation is above it's 30 year average.
So not only has the media lied to the public about the “never-before” rainfall event, it has also withheld the truth about the above-average SMB that was witnessed during the past 50 days.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/13/ ... te-change/
Whenever I read about Greenlands ice shelf is that it's melting not gaining so I'm not sure where whattsupwiththat is getting their info......this isn't CNN either...
he total aerial extent of surface melting (total melt-day extent) for 2021 through August 16 is 21.3 million square kilometers (8.2 million square miles), tied for the fourteenth highest total to date, and well above the 1981 to 2010 average of 18.6 million square kilometers (7.2 million square miles).
http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
Between 1992 and 2018, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost more ice through ablation than it gained through accumulation, losing 3.9 trillion tonnes of ice in total at an average rate of 150 billion tonnes per year5. During this period the rate of ice loss from Greenland increased seven-fold, rising from 34 billion tonnes per year in the 1990s to 234 billion tonnes per year in the 2010s. Approximately 360 billion tonnes of ice loss will raise global sea levels by 1 mm.
http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glacie ... s-balance/

Sure some parts of Greenlands ice shelf have been growing but overall....it's melting.
NASA's Oceans Melting Greenland (OMG) project has revealed Greenland’s Jakobshavn Glacier, the island’s biggest, is actually growing, at least at its edge. In research published Monday in Nature Geoscience, researchers report that since 2016, Jakobshavn’s ice has thickened slightly, thanks to relatively cool ocean waters at its base—which have caused the glacier to slow down its melt. This reverses the glacier’s 20-year trend of thinning and retreating. But because of what else is happening on the ice sheet, and the overall climate outlook, that’s not necessarily a good thing for global sea level.

That's because, despite the fact that this particular glacier is growing, the whole Greenland ice sheet is still losing lots and lots of ice. Jakobshavn drains only about seven percent of the entire ice sheet, so even if it were growing robustly, mass loss from the rest of the ice sheet would outweigh its slight expansion.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... ce-growing

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