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crookedmember wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 5:58 pm
Merry wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 5:50 pm

The science does not support your statement.

Infected vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as infected unvaccinated people can.

You're making stuff up that I didn't claim.

While it may be possible for a vaccinated person to spread the virus, the chance of another vaccinated person *getting sick* from them is miniscule.

That's why almost all of the people flooding our ICUs are unvaccinated in spite of them being a small and stupid minority of the population.
I know of 6 fully vaccinated people who got together at Thanksgiving and now all test positive for Covid. Thankfully none of them are sick enough to require hospitalization (probably thanks to the vaccine), but that doesn't mean they aren't sick enough to feel pretty rough. And they clearly caught it from one of their vaccinated fellow diners.

Being fully vaccinated helps protect you from hospitalization and death. It does NOT protect you from catching Covid. And it does NOT prevent you from spreading it once you do catch it.
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Merry wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 6:24 pm
crookedmember wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 5:58 pm

You're making stuff up that I didn't claim.

While it may be possible for a vaccinated person to spread the virus, the chance of another vaccinated person *getting sick* from them is miniscule.

That's why almost all of the people flooding our ICUs are unvaccinated in spite of them being a small and stupid minority of the population.
I know of 6 fully vaccinated people who got together at Thanksgiving and now all test positive for Covid.
Thanks for the anecdote.

The fact is almost all of the people making a mess of our ICUs are unvaccinated imbeciles, in spite of them being a small minority of the population.
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Mask mandates are a sound doctrine used around the globe. How can a rational mandate be called tyranny?
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I was listening to former CPC cabinet minister James Moore on the TV, he has absolutely no patience for the dumb dumbs that wanna be unvaccinated MPs.

It was an interesting discussion.

How does an unvaccinated MP from boondock valley expect to get to Ottawa? Can't fly wifout a proof of vaccination, can't take the train. Never mind if'n they wanna eat on the way - gotta have a proof of vaccination to get into a restaurant or bar. Its a looong drive to Ottawa from boondock valley and its gonna get tiring eating fast food in yer car bub.

Doug Ford has the right idea - don't wanna get vaccinated and don't have a real medical exemption? There's the door bub - and don't come back until yer vaccinated.

And I laugh at the CPC talking line nonsense about it being a "secret" decision. I knew they were going that way over a week ago. The CPC has representation on the committee. What's secret 'bout dat bub?

And there's silly used car salesman Erin O'Toole blathering on about rapid tests again! The dang rapid tests only work half the time or less! If the brakes on your car only work half the time or less it ain't safe!

The current CPC slogan seems to be "stupid is good". Every other party's MPs, right down to the tiny Greens, are fully vaccinated. But somehow that simple thing is incomprehensible "rocket science" to O'Toole and the knuckledraggers. And yup, O'Toole and the knuckledraggers lost the "battle of the bands" because their music sucks.
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hobbyguy wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 8:27 pm

How does an unvaccinated MP from boondock valley expect to get to Ottawa?
I believe they're gonna car pool.

Some imbeciles actually elected these imbeciles to represent them. It truly has become the stupid party.
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crookedmember wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 6:42 pm
Merry wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 6:24 pm

I know of 6 fully vaccinated people who got together at Thanksgiving and now all test positive for Covid.
Thanks for the anecdote.

The fact is almost all of the people making a mess of our ICUs are unvaccinated imbeciles, in spite of them being a small minority of the population.
I don’t doubt that the unvaccinated are more vulnerable to severe covid than the vaccinated. Statistics prove that. But you said the chances of vaccinated people “getting sick” from contact with other vaccinated people was “miniscule”, and that’s simply not true.

All 6 of those people at that dinner were fully vaxxed, yet all 6 “got sick” with Covid. Thankfully none required hospitalization, which was probably due to the vaccine, but they DID “get sick”.

I also know of fully vaccinated folks who work at a fly in mine who also “got sick” with Covid, despite being in an environment where they were surrounded by fully vaccinated people.

So the chances of a fully vaccinated person “getting sick” following contact with a fully vaccinated person who is carrying the disease, are NOT “miniscule”.

The vaccine reduces your chances of getting so sick with Covid you require hospitalization. But it does not prevent you from catching and transmitting Covid. If it did, there wouldn’t be so much talk about Boosters.
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crookedmember wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 6:42 pmThe fact is almost all of the people making a mess of our ICUs are unvaccinated imbeciles, in spite of them being a small minority of the population.
Yes, but that simple fact seems to be slipping by a lot of people. This isn't a yes-or-no, black-or-white situation. With the appearance of variants the pandemic has become a constantly evolving challenge. What we do know for sure is that the vaccine reduces your chances of both contracting and spreading the virus by a significant factor, and while physical distancing, masking and hand washing continue to be recommended, vaccinating remains the single most potent protection that we have against the virus.
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Merry wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 11:56 pmThe vaccine reduces your chances of getting so sick with Covid you require hospitalization. But it does not prevent you from catching and transmitting Covid. If it did, there wouldn’t be so much talk about Boosters.
There is talk about boosters because evidence is mounting that the vaccines loosing efficacy over time. "Six months" is the time frame being tossed around lately, which wouold put the first recipients in BC due around now.

And all the data I've seen shows that the vaccine does reduce your chances of both catching and spreading Covid. I'd be interested in examining the evidence you have that it does not.
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Merry wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 11:56 pm
The vaccine reduces your chances of getting so sick with Covid you require hospitalization. But it does not prevent you from catching and transmitting Covid. If it did, there wouldn’t be so much talk about Boosters.

You don't understand how vaccines work.

Vaccines teach your body how to fight the target virus if you do contract it.

So vaccinated people are able to fight off the invader fast with few or no symptoms and a small window to spread the virus.

Unvaccinated people spread the virus for weeks while their bodies figure out how to fight the invader, and often end up in ICU and/or dead.

You are spreading dangerous misinformation from FOX News.


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fluffy wrote: Oct 21st, 2021, 5:57 am
Merry wrote: Oct 20th, 2021, 11:56 pmThe vaccine reduces your chances of getting so sick with Covid you require hospitalization. But it does not prevent you from catching and transmitting Covid. If it did, there wouldn’t be so much talk about Boosters.
There is talk about boosters because evidence is mounting that the vaccines loosing efficacy over time. "Six months" is the time frame being tossed around lately, which wouold put the first recipients in BC due around now.
There is debate about whether the increased number of “breakthrough” cases is the result of waning vaccine efficacy, or simply due to reduced restrictions resulting in more socializing.
fluffy wrote: Oct 21st, 2021, 5:57 am all the data I've seen shows that the vaccine does reduce your chances of both catching and spreading Covid. I'd be interested in examining the evidence you have that it does not.
Here you go
"People tend to think of this as yes or no—if I got vaccinated, I should not get any symptoms; I should be completely protected," Laura Su, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania, said. "But there's way more nuance than that."

"The vaccines were developed to keep us out of those terrible institutions we call hospitals," William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, said. "We have to keep coming back to that."
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing ... infections
The Delta variant is different from previous SARS-CoV-2 variants that have made their way to the US. It’s highly contagious and may cause more severe disease. It is also more likely than previous variants to be spread by vaccinated people experiencing breakthrough infections.

Evidence presented to the CDC showed the Delta variant to be much more contagious than previous variants, with a risk of transmission similar to chickenpox. It also appears that people who are infected can spread the virus for longer periods of time.

In addition, people who are vaccinated and then get infected (breakthrough infections) can also spread the virus to others, perhaps to the same extent as those who are unvaccinated. This is also new; vaccinated people were much less likely to spread previous variants.

Finally, international studies point to the Delta variant being more likely to cause severe disease.

The good news is that while vaccination may be less effective at preventing infection and spread of the Delta variant, it is still highly protective against severe disease, hospitalization, and death. Get the COVID-19 vaccine if you have not already done so.

In July 2021, the CDC advised all people — vaccinated and unvaccinated — to wear masks in public indoor places, in areas of the country with substantial or high transmission of the virus. Given the threat posed by the Delta variant, it’s reasonable for everyone to start wearing a mask in indoor public spaces, regardless of the level of virus in your area.

Masks reduce the amount of virus we breathe in, and breathe out. Combined with the vaccine, masks provide a one-two punch that reduces the risk of spread — to children who are not yet eligible for vaccines, to people with weakened immune systems, and to others who are unvaccinated. Masks also provide additional protection for the wearer, including who are fully vaccinated.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid-19 ... 9-vaccines
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