Vax Mandate

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Silverstarqueen wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 4:24 pm Our health system should be there for people who have a health crisis.
How about a dual system, where people can sign up for our current system, and agree to take basic health care steps, good diet, not smoking, taking vaccines when able to. and in turn the system will be there to the best of its ability. Heck they might even get a rebate for "good health behavior". Not necessarily for outcomes, because sometimes people can do everything right and still have a health crisis.

Alternative is those who avoid whatever preventative measures are proscribed: want to smoke, drink excessively, perhaps take street drugs, don't vaccinate, whatever. And let those people pay a higher premium, or a private system. In turn the system will be there to the best of its ability.
No. Universal for all. No private. No two-tiered. (in an ideal situation)
The problem we're having is the excess imbalance of the effect irresponsible people are having on the system.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 4:24 pm Our health system should be there for people who have a health crisis.
How about a dual system, where people can sign up for our current system, and agree to take basic health care steps, good diet, not smoking, taking vaccines when able to. and in turn the system will be there to the best of its ability. Heck they might even get a rebate for "good health behavior". Not necessarily for outcomes, because sometimes people can do everything right and still have a health crisis.

Alternative is those who avoid whatever preventative measures are proscribed: want to smoke, drink excessively, perhaps take street drugs, don't vaccinate, whatever. And let those people pay a higher premium, or a private system. In turn the system will be there to the best of its ability.
What if you go to the gym a lot and are what the GYM demographic say is healthy - because they live on powders but don't actually have any cardiovascular health? And they are a part of organized crime? Should they be screened for health benefits because they are constantly in danger of assassination? Should they be charged more for health coverage because of their risky associations?
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 4:34 pm
Silverstarqueen wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 4:24 pm Our health system should be there for people who have a health crisis.
How about a dual system, where people can sign up for our current system, and agree to take basic health care steps, good diet, not smoking, taking vaccines when able to. and in turn the system will be there to the best of its ability. Heck they might even get a rebate for "good health behavior". Not necessarily for outcomes, because sometimes people can do everything right and still have a health crisis.

Alternative is those who avoid whatever preventative measures are proscribed: want to smoke, drink excessively, perhaps take street drugs, don't vaccinate, whatever. And let those people pay a higher premium, or a private system. In turn the system will be there to the best of its ability.
What if you go to the gym a lot and are what the GYM demographic say is healthy - because they live on powders but don't actually have any cardiovascular health? And they are a part of organized crime? Should they be screened for health benefits because they are constantly in danger of assassination? Should they be charged more for health coverage because of their risky associations?
No. This is based on basic health practices, so exercise is good. Associations are not necessary to check. So even those criminals practicing some basic good health measures could get health care, but being a victim on an assassination attempt is not a crime. People don't have to eat perfectly, there might be a broad measure of acceptable weight. They don't have to be superslim. Yes, someone could be doing everything right healthwise and still have poor cardiac health, so as I said, it's not based on outcomes, they would be treated.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 4:24 pm Alternative is those who avoid whatever preventative measures are proscribed: want to smoke, drink excessively, perhaps take street drugs, don't vaccinate, whatever. And let those people pay a higher premium, or a private system. In turn the system will be there to the best of its ability.
Yep, keep it going. Soon only those who are perfect will get free coverage... That everyone pays for!!!

Denying EI is just another step in the wrong direction.

I'd refuse to pay taxes if my healthcare was removed because I drank a little over the "limit".
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For those of you who are double dosed (which i am), but are still worried about potentially being around unvaxd (which I am not), then perhaps you should only frequent places where the vaxport is required. Dont go to Costco or Walmart, the liquor store if you are scared. You have that choice!! If you trust the science, which you should if you got vaxd, then stop your bitching and complaining about being around unvaxd should you visit non-vaxport required establishments.

People who vaxd chose to protect themselves. loved ones and others. I can almost 100% guarantee that nobody did it to reduce pressure on our hospitals, that wasnt even a thought since it wasnt much of a concern until this 3-4 months ago!! Your fully vaxd so you ARE OKAY. Your chance of catching C19 is probably less than 1%, and if you do, chances of being ill from it are again probably less than 1%.

Various experts in the field of infectious diseases are predicting early 2022 for this virus to be reduced to what is widely known as the seasonal flu. It will be seasonal C19 with a booster shot available every year I'm sure. WE WILL BE OAKY, Open 'er up!!
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Kodidad wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 3:44 pm
the truth wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 1:38 pm

ya feel free to trust are system , no thank you https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pharmace ... -1.4169888 are dr and bon bon , govt are all in bed with each other
Yet you put your trust in Joe Rogan, bit chute, project veritas, etal. I'm sorry that you don't have trust in ......anything. What a lonely, paranoid way to exist
We have trust on our own health not on some big pharma
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 9:54 am
b7272 wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 9:39 am
I think its time for unvaxxed people to pay half the tax since they they are getting half the services. This is complete joke how canadian are ok with mandating this vaccine. People gona loose jobs they have familys too feed little kids how all of u guys ok with that. There is going to be huge shortage in health care staff one old care home already close there door and there be no place for boomers to go since you guys are big supporters of all these mandates
If 80-90% of workers in some workplace manage to somehow get a vaccine, then those who refuse are going to have to show why they could not get it also (medically exempt, no access to a vaccine, legs were broken), when so many could get it. EI is not automatic just because a person refuses to complete the requirements of the job, especially a safety issue like spreading a virus in a pandemic. This might have to be proven in court. Court proceedings aren't quite like an internet discussion forum where people can just make whatever false claims they feel like making, and expect it to fly.
Some how ? Lot of them were forced
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b7272 wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 8:02 pm
Some how ? Lot of them were forced
LOL, no one was "forced" - everyone has a choice in the matter. If they were truly "forced", then 100% of them would be vaccinated.

The only thing that is being forced is now those who chose not to get vaccinated have to deal with the consequences of their choice - its called being an adult, its called responsibility - own up to it and stop your snivelling.

You are not forced to take the vaccine.
Masks do not take your "dignity" away.
Public health measures isn't tyranny.
None of you are Rosa Parks.
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If they say it often enough they think everyone is going to believe their story how they were all rounded up into concentration camps and force vaccinated. Ma"in stream media refuses to cover the true story.
Now either they are "never going to get vaccinated no matter what".
OR " they have been force to get vaccinated."
Both stories can't be true.
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Kodidad wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 3:44 pm
the truth wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 1:38 pm

ya feel free to trust are system , no thank you https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pharmace ... -1.4169888 are dr and bon bon , govt are all in bed with each other
Yet you put your trust in Joe Rogan, bit chute, project veritas, etal. I'm sorry that you don't have trust in ......anything. What a lonely, paranoid way to exist
looks like 42% are not falling for bon bons lies https://www.castanet.net/news/Poll/3495 ... -19#349535
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OKkayak wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 2:46 am
b7272 wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 8:02 pm
Some how ? Lot of them were forced
LOL, no one was "forced" - everyone has a choice in the matter. If they were truly "forced", then 100% of them would be vaccinated.
The only thing that is being forced is now those who chose not to get vaccinated have to deal with the consequences of their choice - its called being an adult, its called responsibility - own up to it and stop your snivelling.

You are not forced to take the vaccine.
Masks do not take your "dignity" away.
Public health measures isn't tyranny.
None of you are Rosa Parks.
Really what if u threatened someone to loose everything over take shot thats call forcing. And i think most of vaccinated people mostly boomers are selfish. Why healthy people and kids have take this poison for your extra 10 miserable years
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b7272 wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 10:03 am Really what if u threatened someone to loose everything over take shot thats call forcing. And i think most of vaccinated people mostly boomers are selfish. Why healthy people and kids have take this poison for your extra 10 miserable years
Cannabis is a legal substance. Some employers don't want their employees high or on residuals when at their work site. They're required to be tested. Not willing?...fired. Fail?...fired. Or removed and sent for substance abuse treatment. It's a job requirement.
But I'll say that I do have reservations on the mandate. If they would have the option of requiring a negative test result each week at the employees cost then maybe that should be fine.

All of this until we have simple low cost treatments able to sit it out at home. Until then we have a simple low cost preventative to avoid the current high cost of treatment.
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the truth wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 8:49 am
Kodidad wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 3:44 pm
Yet you put your trust in Joe Rogan, bit chute, project veritas, etal. I'm sorry that you don't have trust in ......anything. What a lonely, paranoid way to exist
looks like 42% are not falling for bon bons lies https://www.castanet.net/news/Poll/3495 ... -19#349535
the truth wrote: Sep 5th, 2021, 3:17 pm
samsquench07 wrote: Sep 4th, 2021, 6:33 pm Where do they get these polls?

The original castanet poll was heavily favoured for against vax passports
Then in a blink of an eye, those number were reversed
Then the poll was yanked. And said bots attacked it.

And polls ive seen elsewhere. Not many favor the passport. Unless it’s a government poll of course.
its all fake news poll nothing more,the media is paid off too lie sad but true
What do you trust? Where is the truth?
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the truth wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 2:52 pm
Sparki55 wrote: Oct 23rd, 2021, 2:46 pm Easy way to fix all the people who are upset with people clogging up the ICU beds. Let's make hospitals private and pay your own way. Remove forced coercion vaccination to work and play. Then people can pay for their own health, no more whining from the vaccinated crowd.

Why does anyone deserve free healthcare anyway. Those who use the most are smokers overweight, etc. They should pay from their own bad choices and stop clogging up the system.

If you are fat and vaccinated demanding others take the vaccine, you're a hypocrite.
lets not forget all the junkies and drug users that love to party on there days off that od
no hospital for you. all they do is clog up the hospital
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cihi-cov ... -1.6168531

$50,000 for your average covid ICU stay. Factor in a few thousand more for the medivac flight to get you to Victoria or Vancouver.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6151008

Unvaccinated in B.C. hospitalized with COVID-19 at a rate 17 times higher than fully vaccinated

Sure, lets pay our own way. That sounds rational. When you're hit with the $50K bill would you rethink your vaccine choice?
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Yet they never do a study of the thousand upon thousand of vaccine injury and death costs for the health care system. How much money does the cost throughout the decades?

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