Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Catri
Grand Pooh-bah
Posts: 2456
Joined: Jul 13th, 2012, 7:18 am

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Catri »

Small business is an important part of our economy, but I also think perhaps we have too many restaurants. They are notoriously hard to make a success out of and I wonder how many of the ones being propped up by government dollars would not have thrived under normal circumstances anyway. I suspect there are some. Maybe a legacy of this pandemic is that there will be fewer restaurants...I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, it means more business for the ones that survive, more business = more profit, more profit = ability to pay higher wages, higher wages = a happier, healthier workforce.
LANDM
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 11577
Joined: Sep 18th, 2009, 11:58 am

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by LANDM »

As is often said, the best way to end up with a million bucks in the Okanagan is to come with two or three million and open a restaurant.
Unfortunately, instead of being looked at as a business that requires shrewd operational skills and an in-depth knowledge of the business and food, it is one where people think that, because they enjoy food and have eaten in restaurants, they are equipped to own and operate one, profitably. It seldom happens that way.
You and 71 others Like this post
Sparki55
Lord of the Board
Posts: 4578
Joined: Feb 24th, 2013, 1:38 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Sparki55 »

Catri wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 2:12 pm Small business is an important part of our economy, but I also think perhaps we have too many restaurants.
Don't know how much you go out but b4 the pandemic each time I went out from wed-sat night most places were stuffed full and thriving. It's the pandemic. Sure many restaurants don't make it but that's not an excuse for the government to turn the taps off during a pandemic that it's forcefully reducing revenue.
User avatar
Catsumi
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 12032
Joined: May 24th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Catsumi »

Now where did those workers get to, I wonder??

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#349545. (Bold is mine)


An internal government analysis on the Canada Recovery Benefit says the majority of recipients who received the federal help were continuous or repeat beneficiaries of the now-ended aid program.

The analysis from Employment and Social Development Canada found that by early June,1.5 million, or about 75 per cent of the 1.8 million unique recipients of the benefit, were continuous or repeat beneficiaries.

Among them were some 627,000 recipients who applied and received the benefit for months at a time, never once taking a break.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the briefing note to the top official at the department under access to information law.

Experts who reviewed the document suggest the analysis hints at the level of need for the income-support program, which came to an end over the weekend.

As of Oct. 10, the CRB had paid out just over $27 billion to nearly 2.2 million applicants since its launch in late Septe
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect” - Mark Twain

“"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -W. Churchill
nucksRnum1
Übergod
Posts: 1750
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2021, 1:55 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by nucksRnum1 »

Catsumi wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 5:35 pm Now where did those workers get to, I wonder??

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#349545. (Bold is mine)


An internal government analysis on the Canada Recovery Benefit says the majority of recipients who received the federal help were continuous or repeat beneficiaries of the now-ended aid program.

The analysis from Employment and Social Development Canada found that by early June,1.5 million, or about 75 per cent of the 1.8 million unique recipients of the benefit, were continuous or repeat beneficiaries.

Among them were some 627,000 recipients who applied and received the benefit for months at a time, never once taking a break.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the briefing note to the top official at the department under access to information law.

Experts who reviewed the document suggest the analysis hints at the level of need for the income-support program, which came to an end over the weekend.

As of Oct. 10, the CRB had paid out just over $27 billion to nearly 2.2 million applicants since its launch in late Septe
It was well worth the money. It eliminated the riff-raff contractors and scabs that filled the void after unions were busted. And ensured that places like McDonalds pay 17.50 plus and hour.
Catri
Grand Pooh-bah
Posts: 2456
Joined: Jul 13th, 2012, 7:18 am

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Catri »

Sparki55 wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 3:38 pm
Catri wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 2:12 pm Small business is an important part of our economy, but I also think perhaps we have too many restaurants.
Don't know how much you go out but b4 the pandemic each time I went out from wed-sat night most places were stuffed full and thriving. It's the pandemic. Sure many restaurants don't make it but that's not an excuse for the government to turn the taps off during a pandemic that it's forcefully reducing revenue.
That the restaurants you frequented prior to the pandemic were busy makes sense, I have no doubt they were (or at least appeared to you to be) thriving. Thriving restaurants are usually busy restaurants. That doesn't mean that all, or even most, restaurants were thriving or will thrive after the pandemic. The industry is notorious for it's failure rate. In any event, my point stands, maybe we have too many restaurants, maybe the long term effects of the pandemic will be to thin the herd of restaurants, which won't happen when they're being propped up by government handouts.
User avatar
PoplarSoul
Grand Pooh-bah
Posts: 2352
Joined: Apr 23rd, 2021, 12:27 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by PoplarSoul »

Catri wrote: Oct 25th, 2021, 12:31 pm Thriving restaurants are usually busy restaurants. That doesn't mean that all, or even most, restaurants were thriving or will thrive after the pandemic. The industry is notorious for it's failure rate.
Agree.
Restaurant Success Rate:
What Percentage Of Restaurants Fail? Approximately 60% of restaurants fail within the first year of operation and 80% fail within the first five years. These numbers may seem off-putting, but the remaining 20% of restaurants go on to find long-term growth and success.
"The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance."
Alan Watts
Sparki55
Lord of the Board
Posts: 4578
Joined: Feb 24th, 2013, 1:38 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Sparki55 »

Catri wrote: Oct 25th, 2021, 12:31 pm That the restaurants you frequented prior to the pandemic were busy makes sense, I have no doubt they were (or at least appeared to you to be) thriving. Thriving restaurants are usually busy restaurants. That doesn't mean that all, or even most, restaurants were thriving or will thrive after the pandemic. The industry is notorious for it's failure rate. In any event, my point stands, maybe we have too many restaurants, maybe the long term effects of the pandemic will be to thin the herd of restaurants, which won't happen when they're being propped up by government handouts.
You just admitted the government pandemic restrictions were the cause of their decline... Thanks.
User avatar
Alien Head Dude
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 14581
Joined: Oct 18th, 2015, 9:19 am

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Alien Head Dude »

.
Last edited by Alien Head Dude on Oct 25th, 2021, 4:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The hard-right Cons on this board don't like anyone referencing the findings from the research
into conservative "thinking", but they sure do enjoy providing us with plenty of evidence for it.
User avatar
gardengirl
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 13599
Joined: Mar 23rd, 2006, 1:01 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by gardengirl »

Catsumi wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 5:35 pm Now where did those workers get to, I wonder??

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#349545. (Bold is mine)


An internal government analysis on the Canada Recovery Benefit says the majority of recipients who received the federal help were continuous or repeat beneficiaries of the now-ended aid program.

The analysis from Employment and Social Development Canada found that by early June,1.5 million, or about 75 per cent of the 1.8 million unique recipients of the benefit, were continuous or repeat beneficiaries.

Among them were some 627,000 recipients who applied and received the benefit for months at a time, never once taking a break.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the briefing note to the top official at the department under access to information law.

Experts who reviewed the document suggest the analysis hints at the level of need for the income-support program, which came to an end over the weekend.

As of Oct. 10, the CRB had paid out just over $27 billion to nearly 2.2 million applicants since its launch in late Septe
I love the interpretation that is hinted at here. Perhaps they could have interpreted it differently. There are a lot of people willing to sit on the dole instead of getting a job. At first it was supposed to be a couple months of assistance, now after over a year, people are still mooching. They stated it themselves, that people stayed on it for months at a time, never taking a break.

There are help wanted signs all over the place, but why bother when you can sit at home an play video games all day on the taxpayer's dime?

Instead of continuing CERB or whatever they are calling it this week, how about creating an incentive to go back to work? Maybe make a continuing education requirement to stay on the program? How about having to prove that you are actively looking for work? Maybe make recipients participate in employment counselling?
Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death.
User avatar
bb49
Guru
Posts: 5470
Joined: Jul 16th, 2019, 2:38 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by bb49 »

gardengirl wrote: Oct 25th, 2021, 3:15 pm
Catsumi wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 5:35 pm Now where did those workers get to, I wonder??

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#349545. (Bold is mine)


An internal government analysis on the Canada Recovery Benefit says the majority of recipients who received the federal help were continuous or repeat beneficiaries of the now-ended aid program.

The analysis from Employment and Social Development Canada found that by early June,1.5 million, or about 75 per cent of the 1.8 million unique recipients of the benefit, were continuous or repeat beneficiaries.

Among them were some 627,000 recipients who applied and received the benefit for months at a time, never once taking a break.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the briefing note to the top official at the department under access to information law.

Experts who reviewed the document suggest the analysis hints at the level of need for the income-support program, which came to an end over the weekend.

As of Oct. 10, the CRB had paid out just over $27 billion to nearly 2.2 million applicants since its launch in late Septe
I love the interpretation that is hinted at here. Perhaps they could have interpreted it differently. There are a lot of people willing to sit on the dole instead of getting a job. At first it was supposed to be a couple months of assistance, now after over a year, people are still mooching. They stated it themselves, that people stayed on it for months at a time, never taking a break.

There are help wanted signs all over the place, but why bother when you can sit at home an play video games all day on the taxpayer's dime?
:up:
Been there, said that, and some still refuse to believe it.

As for this statement,
Experts who reviewed the document suggest the analysis hints at the level of need for the income-support program, which came to an end over the weekend.
And who might these "experts" be?
February 14, 2022. The day Democracy died in Canada.
User avatar
Catsumi
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 12032
Joined: May 24th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Catsumi »

Bb49:wrote:
. And who might these "experts" be?
Everyone “needs” something or other that doesn't require an expert to point out. Those experts shall be nameless, hidden behind a wall of bafflegab; the grey men who are building the New World Order.

Expect that future prognostications from them will underline this “need” for ongoing handouts in perpetuity to ensure the able-bodied never have to work a day to earn, yes, EARN, their living. All sustenance will flow easily from the taxpayer wallet until they are tapped out …then what? Print more devalued dollars? Tax the working class even more than before?

Someday this circus wheel will grind to a halt under its own weight…backlash and disruption coming .

Those “experts” will still be hidden from us, behind smoke and mirrors.

We live in interesting times.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect” - Mark Twain

“"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -W. Churchill
Catri
Grand Pooh-bah
Posts: 2456
Joined: Jul 13th, 2012, 7:18 am

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Catri »

Sparki55 wrote: Oct 25th, 2021, 2:29 pm
Catri wrote: Oct 25th, 2021, 12:31 pm That the restaurants you frequented prior to the pandemic were busy makes sense, I have no doubt they were (or at least appeared to you to be) thriving. Thriving restaurants are usually busy restaurants. That doesn't mean that all, or even most, restaurants were thriving or will thrive after the pandemic. The industry is notorious for it's failure rate. In any event, my point stands, maybe we have too many restaurants, maybe the long term effects of the pandemic will be to thin the herd of restaurants, which won't happen when they're being propped up by government handouts.
You just admitted the government pandemic restrictions were the cause of their decline... Thanks.
Don’t put words in my mouth. If that was your interpretation of what I said, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Sparki55
Lord of the Board
Posts: 4578
Joined: Feb 24th, 2013, 1:38 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Sparki55 »

Catri wrote: Oct 25th, 2021, 9:22 pm Don’t put words in my mouth. If that was your interpretation of what I said, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
There were more restaurants open before the pandemic and they have closed their doors more often since the restrictions.
Sales at eating and drinking establishments in Canada dropped 28% from the year before, Statistics Canada reported Thursday in Ottawa. That’s the largest drop in records dating back more than two decades and shows the extent to which large-scale closures and restrictions affected business activity.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljaze ... -on-record

I'm fact based and your opinion is based on your feelings towards restaurants.
User avatar
Catsumi
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 12032
Joined: May 24th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Re: Restaurants have complained about workers and cerb - while relying on government to pay workers that stayed

Post by Catsumi »

Catsumi wrote: Oct 24th, 2021, 5:35 pm Now where did those workers get to, I wonder??

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#349545. (Bold is mine)


An internal government analysis on the Canada Recovery Benefit says the majority of recipients who received the federal help were continuous or repeat beneficiaries of the now-ended aid program.

The analysis from Employment and Social Development Canada found that by early June,1.5 million, or about 75 per cent of the 1.8 million unique recipients of the benefit, were continuous or repeat beneficiaries.

Among them were some 627,000 recipients who applied and received the benefit for months at a time, never once taking a break.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the briefing note to the top official at the department under access to information law.

Experts who reviewed the document suggest the analysis hints at the level of need for the income-support program, which came to an end over the weekend.

As of Oct. 10, the CRB had paid out just over $27 billion to nearly 2.2 million applicants since its launch in late Septe
Unless you wear horse-eye blinders, it’s pretty obvious why restaurants cannot compete with the deep pockets of governmental largesse (unwillingly, the taxpayer). Argue all you wish that wages just aren’t high enough to even consider working as a burger flipper for $17.50/hr) but keep in mind that CRB or whatever it is called this week, will end.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect” - Mark Twain

“"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -W. Churchill

Return to “Canada”