No EI for the unvaccinated

[Jonrox]

I think a reasonable compromise would be for unvaccinated folks to pony up for daily Covid testing. It would be interesting to see who would stick around at a cost of $199/day.

[barianqueen]

I'm offended by the references to AIDS. Asking people to be Covid vaccinated or work in a different field is NOT the same as gay men being tied onto the back of cars and dragged to death. A buddy of mine back in the 80s had AIDS and was smacked in the face with a hubcap and died.

I lived through the 80s AIDS epidemic and current happenings are not similar in the slightest. If y'all don't want the vaccine then don't get it.

[rustled]

I think a reasonable compromise would be for unvaccinated folks to pony up for daily Covid testing. It would be interesting to see who would stick around at a cost of $199/day.

Reasonable if you're intent on scapegoating, I suppose. Punitive measures are a feature of scapegoating.

With hindsight, would we have supported homosexuals being forced to pony up for daily testing in order to continue working while we acquired a better understanding of AIDS?

Interesting to think about the similarities here.

[ferri]

[the truth]

I think a reasonable compromise would be for unvaccinated folks to pony up for daily Covid testing. It would be interesting to see who would stick around at a cost of $199/day.

ya and every junkie and alcoholic should supply a clean blood and urine test once a month before peoples taxes gives them one more penny every month

[Ka-El]

These must be the first banished, persecuted and scapegoated people in history who could instantly fix their situation by sitting down for a free vaccination.

But then they’d no longer be able to use the persecution card to further fuel their specious narrative of being scapegoated and victimized by the tyranny by the majority (who display more sense).

[Catri]

I think a reasonable compromise would be for unvaccinated folks to pony up for daily Covid testing. It would be interesting to see who would stick around at a cost of $199/day.

Reasonable if you're intent on scapegoating, I suppose. Punitive measures are a feature of scapegoating.

With hindsight, would we have supported homosexuals being forced to pony up for daily testing in order to continue working while we acquired a better understanding of AIDS?

Interesting to think about the similarities here.

There is no analogy between COVID and HIV/AIDS. To think about similarities, you'd have to imagine that some exist.

[gertlush]

Its just amazing that the gov is saying, not only will we take away your livelihood but expect zero support. If its that important why not seize the patents from pharma cos? How much did that Khadr kid get in the end?? Why not offer daily testing?

[rustled]

Reasonable if you're intent on scapegoating, I suppose. Punitive measures are a feature of scapegoating.

With hindsight, would we have supported homosexuals being forced to pony up for daily testing in order to continue working while we acquired a better understanding of AIDS?

Interesting to think about the similarities here.

There is no analogy between COVID and HIV/AIDS. To think about similarities, you'd have to imagine that some exist.

I disagree. There are plenty of similarities, plenty of parallels. I do not think the people supporting this punitive approach with covid (termination of employment and denial of benefits) would be comfortable, in hindsight, with having supported a similarly punitive approach during the AIDS global pandemic - banishing employees from the workplace and denying them their EI based on their choices, out of fear and ignorance. It seems to me people would have wondered why they were so quick to segregate and punish. We can often learn from the past.

[Catri]

There is no analogy between COVID and HIV/AIDS. To think about similarities, you'd have to imagine that some exist.

I disagree. There are plenty of similarities, plenty of parallels. I do not think the people supporting this punitive approach with covid (termination of employment and denial of benefits) would be comfortable, in hindsight, with having supported a similarly punitive approach during the AIDS global pandemic - banishing employees from the workplace and denying them their EI based on their choices, out of fear and ignorance. It seems to me people would have wondered why they were so quick to segregate and punish. We can often learn from the past.

Plenty of false equivalents.

[crookedmember]

The difference is during the HIV epidemic in the '80s, there was no life-saving vaccine available for people to turn down that would have saved their lives and stopped transmission.

In 2021, there is a cheap, safe and effective COVID vaccine available that idiots are turning down, and they are spreading the virus, incubating variants, ending up in ICU and oftentimes dying.

Stupid is as stupid does,

[rustled]

I disagree. There are plenty of similarities, plenty of parallels. I do not think the people supporting this punitive approach with covid (termination of employment and denial of benefits) would be comfortable, in hindsight, with having supported a similarly punitive approach during the AIDS global pandemic - banishing employees from the workplace and denying them their EI based on their choices, out of fear and ignorance. It seems to me people would have wondered why they were so quick to segregate and punish. We can often learn from the past.

Plenty of false equivalents.

Where have I claimed equivalents?

I've pointed to similarities and parallels. These are not equivalent to equivalents.

The biggest similarity, I think, is how quick people are to use fear and ignorance to segregate and punish. You're free to disagree.

[nucksRnum1]

[fluffy]

Its just amazing that the gov is saying, not only will we take away your livelihood but expect zero support.

Not amazing at all, in fact it makes perfect sense. Vaccination is our single best defense against the virus, and the virus is something that threatens us all. If someone isn't willing to get on board with this simple step to do their part in what has to be a widespread community effort, then why should the community support them in that ? Should the government support something that is basically irresponsible and selfish ? What is amazing is that people actually feel entitled to ask.

[Beerhunter341]

Its just amazing that the gov is saying, not only will we take away your livelihood but expect zero support.

Not amazing at all, in fact it makes perfect sense. Vaccination is our single best defense against the virus, and the virus is something that threatens us all. If someone isn't willing to get on board with this simple step to do their part in what has to be a widespread community effort, then why should the community support them in that ? Should the government support something that is basically irresponsible and selfish ? What is amazing is that people actually feel entitled to ask.

The government and community isn't supporting anything. These people have paid into this program.