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fluffy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 7:44 amIt will be interesting to see if the COP26 conference now underway will produce any significant changes in government policy, or if we will just continue to leave hen house management in the hands of the foxes.
In my experience, foxes are smarter than chickens. Chickens are content scratching the ground for their food, and get incredibly excited when they've managed to lay an egg: "Lookat it! Lookat! Wawk! Come'n'see! Look-look-look!"

It's an egg. Just like yesterday's.

If the henhouse goes down, the rest of the world will manage to carry on.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 7:44 am COP26 is a circus with a purpose: Putting climate change in the spotlight so no country can ignore it

"All the pomp and circumstance will leave organizers and participants open to accusations of allowing the hard work of multilateral negotiations that are supposed to be at the heart of the event to be overshadowed, and of hypocrisy given the carbon footprint of all the flights to get there.

But the hope has to be that the fear of looking ridiculous, if officials emerge from all this with negotiating stalemates and weak platitudes, will also compel participants from the nearly 200 countries involved in the climate negotiations at the centre of all the chaos to up their climate ambition, and work closely together on shared solutions. The same goes for representatives of heavily polluting industries engaging in the unofficial events surrounding the negotiations.

That might not happen if all concerned were able to go about their business more quietly. Countless previous international meetings have produced underwhelming results. And underwhelming would be disastrous for the credibility of all concerned, as evidenced by the UN’s Environment Programme reporting this week that even if all countries’ current emissions-reduction goals were met, we would still be on pace for global warming of at least 2.7 degrees C by the end of the century – well above the threshold at which the planet would be terribly and irreversibly altered."


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ge-in-the/

Canada is emerging as a "climate change bad boy" as information shows Canada's Oil & Gas sector, the largest and quickest growing source of emissions in the country, has little intention of meeting emission reduction targets and is, in fact, on course to increase production (and emissions) to the tune of 30% by 2030. Trudeau is coming off like just another Harper, more than willing to throw our enironmental future under the bus in return for short term gain.

It will be interesting to see if the COP26 conference now underway will produce any significant changes in government policy, or if we will just continue to leave hen house management in the hands of the foxes.
Events such as COP26 are all about showcasing.

Dealing with man made GHGs is going to require significant changes that inevitably feed down into the everyday citizen's lives. Part the showcasing is to prepare folks for what is coming, giving them time to adjust as best they can.

From a Canadian perspective, the most significant thing to emerge from COP26 is Trudeau talking about a cap on the oil and gas sector. That's a major political battle that Trudeau has signaled he is going to take on. It is also a necessary one, and an existential change for Canada with all kinds of ramifications. Economic, government fiscal, job types and prospects, and so on.

A hard reality that is being danced around by all at COP26 is that consumerism is under fire with these changes. There is no question that fossil fuels have been at the base of the industrial revolution because they are the cheapest reliable energy source. The economic reality of everyone is tied to the price of energy. Life is going to get more expensive.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 2nd, 2021, 5:28 pm

Exactly. The single most important issue for the majority of voters in the last election was climate change.
So the real question to ask is - how did a complete fable get turned into "the single most important issue" for a bunch of total gullible fools? What evil force has convinced these fools that this total hoax is more important than issues that actually exist, and more-over, if you are dumb enough to believe that man-made climate change is a thing, that you support killing hundreds of millions of people in the name of "fighting" this myth? How do you get so many brain-dead people to agree to such horrific and horrible things? It really is National Socialism to a "T" at work here.

Speaking of killing people, the psychos still pushing this fraud are going to be causing actual deaths this year in Europe. This isn't a game anymore, people are actually dying now thanks to this horrible hoax.
Opinion: Renewables are making Europe energy-poor
Existing policies were causing substantial energy poverty in Europe even before the price spike this autumn


With the recent rise in the price of natural gas in Europe to five times where it was earlier this year, expect to see many more Europeans, including Brits, plunged into “energy poverty” — too poor to pay their utility bills on time and/or keep their homes adequately warm. Why is not hard to grasp: from Greece to Great Britain and everywhere in between, the European electricity grid is increasingly de-linked from reliable, affordable fossil fuels and hooked up to more expensive and intermittent wind and solar projects. When wind and solar are not available, Europeans and others end up chasing the same supplies of oil, natural gas and coal, pushing their prices dramatically higher.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/renew ... nergy-poor
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 10:16 amDealing with man made GHGs is going to require significant changes that inevitably feed down into the everyday citizen's lives. Part the showcasing is to prepare folks for what is coming, giving them time to adjust as best they can.
Hopefully sooner than later, the longer we put it off the harder the slap down will be when it comes. Voters in general are growing more and more informed and thus more able to see though the window dressing that is going on with government.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 2:44 pm
hobbyguy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 10:16 amDealing with man made GHGs is going to require significant changes that inevitably feed down into the everyday citizen's lives. Part the showcasing is to prepare folks for what is coming, giving them time to adjust as best they can.
Hopefully sooner than later, the longer we put it off the harder the slap down will be when it comes. Voters in general are growing more and more informed and thus more able to see though the window dressing that is going on with government.
Public sentiment often takes time to catch up with what needs to done.

One of the areas that needs addressing is gratuitous travel for the sake of travel. Yes, I have done some and understand how important it is for people. But thing like taking a once every 7 years ago "walkabout" are quite different than every year taking two weeks to a sunny clime. Instead, a "holiday banking" system needs to be set up so folks can take 6-9 weeks off every 6-7 years and really travel and get to know a place. That's way less GHGs than flying to Mexico every winter for 2 weeks.

And the "cruises" on floating pollution factories???

There is lots that can be done, but we, as everyday citizens need to be on board.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 4:30 pm [

Public sentiment often takes time to catch up with what needs to done.

Exactly. And what needs to be done is to tell the human scum still pushing the man made climate change myth to stick it before they start killing people by the hundreds of millions.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 4:30 pm One of the areas that needs addressing is gratuitous travel for the sake of travel
It is interesting that this climate gathering had 400 or so private jets offer up the very important people to tell us poor peons how terrible we all are using energy foolishly, you know, like heating our homes, etc. Then there were all the other many planes that the lesser important people had to use to fly back and forth to this meeting. I guess they never heard of virtual meetings. It would have not given our prime minister the opportunity to be late for a group photo so he could run up with Boris Johnson while giggling at his tardiness. What an 8-year old!!
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FairlyKnew wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 7:14 pm
hobbyguy wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 4:30 pm One of the areas that needs addressing is gratuitous travel for the sake of travel
It is interesting that this climate gathering had 400 or so private jets offer up the very important people to tell us poor peons how terrible we all are using energy foolishly, you know, like heating our homes, etc. Then there were all the other many planes that the lesser important people had to use to fly back and forth to this meeting. I guess they never heard of virtual meetings. It would have not given our prime minister the opportunity to be late for a group photo so he could run up with Boris Johnson while giggling at his tardiness. What an 8-year old!!
They're politicians, you expected something more? They don't live in the same world as the rest of us, I thought that would be common knowledge.
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I know they are politicians and they don't live in the same world as we do. Why else would they be able to do virtual meetings with parliament all year, while still receiving full pay. Meanwhile a lot of businesses were struggling with all the shutdowns and a lot went under. Things are really tough for a lot of people and the politicians just keep adding more tax and not having a clue how it is hurting people. If we gave the government all of our money, do you really think that climate change would go away? That seems to be the premise behind the carbon tax. I worry about what this winter is going to bring.
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^^^^. LIKE
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FairlyKnew wrote: Nov 3rd, 2021, 7:36 pm I know they are politicians and they don't live in the same world as we do. Why else would they be able to do virtual meetings with parliament all year, while still receiving full pay. Meanwhile a lot of businesses were struggling with all the shutdowns and a lot went under. Things are really tough for a lot of people and the politicians just keep adding more tax and not having a clue how it is hurting people. If we gave the government all of our money, do you really think that climate change would go away? That seems to be the premise behind the carbon tax. I worry about what this winter is going to bring.
Im sympathetic but this has been going on as long as Canada has been around by both parties so the complaint is nothing new.
Canadian voters had a chance to change to another party in Sept if they were really upset........seems they liked JT and the Liberals running things again. Seems to me Canada is doing pretty well compared to most countries in the world.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 2nd, 2021, 5:28 pm
Exactly. The single most important issue for the majority of voters in the last election was climate change.
I hate to say it, but you are wrong... https://www.thestar.com/politics/federa ... -said.html
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fluffy wrote: Nov 2nd, 2021, 5:28 pm Exactly. The single most important issue for the majority of voters in the last election was climate change.
Glacier wrote: Nov 6th, 2021, 8:46 pm I hate to say it, but you are wrong... https://www.thestar.com/politics/federa ... -said.html
Okay, I suppose it depends what polls you're following. How about "One of the most important issues..." ?
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fluffy wrote: Nov 7th, 2021, 4:19 am

Okay, I suppose it depends what polls you're following. How about "One of the most important issues..." ?
But you've highlighted the exact problem - the man-made climate change myth shouldn't even be in the top 25 issues for Canadians. There are so many real actual issues to worry about. Fairy tales can wait.
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Glacier is correct.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/117 ... canadians/

Leftists also call COVID an existential crisis. If 1% of the population dies, there wont be any humans left at all. Makes one wonder what a leftist means by existential crisis. Probably has something to do with the personal existence of the brain cells that hold on to the lie. Climate change has always been low on most peoples priority list, even lower outside of the west.
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