Reform/Progressive Conservative crack forms

[Glacier]

I know nothing about his past and not a lot about him in general, but I can use logic.

When people who would never vote for party X can't stop talking about how dude Y would destroy party X there's only one logical conclusion. When people who want party X destroyed get upset that party X is thinking about choosing dude Y, it logically follows that people actually think dude Y would be good for party X and therefore bad for the party they support.

[crookedmember]

Yes, we've spent the last five years mocking Andy and O'Toole because we're scared of them. That must be it.

Pierre is a lot like Andy. A lifetime politician with very little education who has never held a real job.

Except PP also has a problem with the lady folk.

[Glacier]

People who don't want the conservative party to win would get excited when the conservatives choose someone who will lose, and get upset when people start wanting to choose a person who would beat the Liberals.

[PoplarSoul]

Many Conservatives think that Poilievre is the perfect attack dog to run against the Liberals. Until they get told about his past in the city of Ottawa.

The only thing I remember about him is when he wore a Conservative Party t-shirt to a government event to promote the increased Universal Child Care Benefit. That's a big no no.
Every time I hear his name I think of Pierre Poutine. I don't know why.
He holds a bachelor of arts degree.
Many conservative posters here make fun of arts degree.
But it's ok for him though.
Go Pierre Go!

[Catri]

I know nothing about his past and not a lot about him in general, but I can use logic.

When people who would never vote for party X can't stop talking about how dude Y would destroy party X there's only one logical conclusion. When people who want party X destroyed get upset that party X is thinking about choosing dude Y, it logically follows that people actually think dude Y would be good for party X and therefore bad for the party they support.

The thing is, I don't think many of us who would never vote for the CPC party X want to actually see it destroyed. I think most of us care about whether or not there's a robust opposition and who the leader of the opposition is. It's an important part of government. And, if by some miracle, the CPC party X gets it's poop in a group and gets itself elected, it's in all our interest that the leader isn't a total schmuck.

[bob vernon]

I don't want to see the Conservative party destroyed. Just split. Split real good.

[nucksRnum1]

I wouldn't mind a healthy conservative party. As long as it isn't one that is authoritarian and corrupt. And if the rebuttal is back against the Liberals - whatever happened to be the better party? I think conservatives would be more viable if they actually showed a willingness to be a party of integrity. But every single Canadian knows that isn't possible. Especially when Pierre is thrown out there as a possibility to fix the conservative woes.

[Glacier]

I don't want to see the Conservative party destroyed. Just split. Split real good.

Kind of like the '90s?

[fluffy]

The thing is, I don't think many of us who would never vote for the CPC party X want to actually see it destroyed. I think most of us care about whether or not there's a robust opposition and who the leader of the opposition is. It's an important part of government. And, if by some miracle, the CPC party X gets it's poop in a group and gets itself elected, it's in all our interest that the leader isn't a total schmuck.

In a perfect world that's the way it should be, governing party and opposition working together to figure out what's best for the country. We don't have that, and Pierre Poilievre is not the one who will take the CPC in that direction. He's a far right, in-your-face attack-ad camera hound. One that will appeal to a lot of voters who lack the depth to see beyond "Let's get him!" and that's is a sad statement on today's society.

[crookedmember]

Poilievre may be the obvious choice when O'Toole finally sees the writing on the wall. The Conservatives have a history of electing the least likeable person possible, and Pigeon certainly fits the bill. Few folks are as obnoxious as PeePee.

The fact that he's never held a real job, and the other fact most Starbucks baristas have more education than Pierre is just icing on the soggy CPC cake.

It's interesting that it's not the Liberals destroying the CPC. The CPC is destroying itself from within.

[nucksRnum1]

In a perfect world that's the way it should be, governing party and opposition working together to figure out what's best for the country. We don't have that, and Pierre Poilievre is not the one who will take the CPC in that direction. He's a far right, in-your-face attack-ad camera hound. One that will appeal to a lot of voters who lack the depth to see beyond "Let's get him!" and that's is a sad statement on today's society.

Great point. That's why the NDP has proven to be a better opposition than the cons. They have lobbied on behalf of Canadians for things that will help those people. The cons have been blinded by Trudeau and the PMO who has wiped the floor 3 times in elections.

[nucksRnum1]

Pigeon Poilievre may be the obvious choice when Iffy O'Toole finally sees the writing on the wall. The Conservatives have a history of electing the least likeable person possible, and Pigeon certainly fits the bill. Few folks are as obnoxious as PeePee.

The fact that he's never held a real job, and the other fact most Starbucks baristas have more education than Pierre is just icing on the soggy CPC cake.

It's interesting that it's not the Liberals destroying the CPC. The CPC is destroying itself from within.

Unfortunately for Canadians the ineptitude of the con brass will mean that there will be someone like Youngkin who will put on a sheep's clothing and get elected by whipping up social hysteria and then bait and switch.

That was what disturbed me about he who shall not be named before he lost. Everything was religious baiting about muslims and cultural garments like nijabs. All this noise propaganda made a mentally ill man kill someone at an Ottawa monument and plan to attack the house. Where was nameless when that happened? In a broom closet while a geriatric sergeant of arms shot and killed the guy.

[fluffy]

That's why the NDP has proven to be a better opposition than the cons. They have lobbied on behalf of Canadians for things that will help those people. The cons have been blinded by Trudeau and the PMO who has wiped the floor 3 times in elections.

The CPC loves to say that Mr. Singh is Trudeau's handpuppet when actually he has found ways to benefit both his party and the Liberals at the same time in issues where they have common ground. The CPC doesn't play like that, they're all about gaining power, and are even willing to fight themselves to do so.

[hobbyguy]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... ptain-now/

"On Erin O’Toole’s HMCS Conservative, who’s the captain now?"

SNIP

"Is this what we could expect from a Conservative government – that a minority of its own MPs would force the majority to bend to the anti-vaccination fringe?"

SNIP

"And now the “highlighting the reasons we lost the election caucus” is keeping the issue alive and making life difficult for Mr. O’Toole – to the point that he has made few recent public appearances, apparently in order to avoid being asked by reporters what’s going on, and whether he’s the captain of the ship, or Captain Phillips."

SNIP

"And now, as he tries to prepare for the return of Parliament, a group of rebel Tory MPs is choosing not to focus on the postpandemic recovery or other pressing matters, but on irresponsible fringe opinions not shared by the vast majority of Canadians.

What a gift to Mr. Trudeau. He didn’t get the majority he wanted, but he did get a fractured Official Opposition whose caucus contains its own internal Official Opposition. Christmas has come early to Rideau Cottage."

Erin O'Toole as Captain Phillips? HMCS Conservative as the Exxon Valdez?

In reality those descriptions would better suit Jason Kenney and the "Drunks on the Terrace" UCP. Certainly the drunk at the helm part.

However, from Derek Sloan to Cathay Wagantall to Marilyn Gladu, the politically toxic spills just keep on happening. Even do nothings like Tracy Gray cause problems for the leaking and rusty old hulk of the CPC by consistently voting against directions that 60-90% of Canadians want.

Therein lies the problem. "Captain" O'Toole says "steer course 186" and the factionalized groups of cranks, crackpots, tin foil hats, bar stool philosophers, and lunchroom lawyers tries to pull the helm elsewhere, shouting him down with "no, steer 022", "no steer 340", "no steer 081" - and the Exxon Valdez just keeps on heading straight for the reef...

I honestly think that if Peter MacKay restarted the federal PCs that he and the PCs would have a far better chance of forming government and actually doing something useful for Canada. And that is the heart of the matter, MacKay should never have sold out the PCs to Harper's bogus Alliance.

But instead we are stuck with an alliance of cranks, crackpots, tin foil hats, bar stool philosophers and lunchroom lawyers that accomplishes nothing except to gum up the works.

[The Green Barbarian]

The CPC loves to say that Mr. Singh is Trudeau's handpuppet

I don't know if the "CPC" or anyone else loves saying this, it's just what it is, as Jagmeet is horribly spineless. Justin didn't need to call an election because he had a jelly-spined sycophant ready to hop on board with every dumb and bad idea the Liberals could come up.

when actually he has found ways to benefit both his party and the Liberals at the same time

Unfortunately to the detriment of all Canadians.

The CPC doesn't play like that,

And thank goodness for that. We have ONE party willing to stand up to Leftist idiocy and tyrannical scum in the PMO. ONE. That's who is standing up for Canadians in the Parliament, while the rest bend over and take it from the horrible Liberals. Thank your CPC for that!

they're all about gaining power,

LOL - what naivete. And the Liberals and NDP aren't about gaining power? Give your head a shake. Our idiot PM just blew $600 million taxpayer dollars just to get clobbered at the polls again, after he thought he might get a majority. What a giant fool. And it's the CPC who is "all about gaining power"?? Seriously??