Reform/Progressive Conservative crack forms

[hobbyguy]

https://twitter.com/denisebatters/statu ... enge-to%2F

"Tonight, Erin O'Toole tried to silence me for giving our #CPC members a voice.
I will not be silenced by a leader so weak that he fired me VIA VOICEMAIL.
Most importantly, he cannot suppress the will of our Conservative Party members!
Sign the petition:"

"..so weak he fired me by voicemail..."

Oh my! Has O'Toole learned nothing??? Heck hath no fury....

[crookedmember]

Tough words for erin o'toole from Michelle Rempel-Garner.





I'll take tweets that didn't age well for $200, Alex.

[nucksRnum1]

https://twitter.com/denisebatters/statu ... enge-to%2F

"Tonight, Erin O'Toole tried to silence me for giving our #CPC members a voice.
I will not be silenced by a leader so weak that he fired me VIA VOICEMAIL.
Most importantly, he cannot suppress the will of our Conservative Party members!
Sign the petition:"

"..so weak he fired me by voicemail..."

Oh my! Has O'Toole learned nothing??? Heck hath no fury....

Michelle is a drama queen. I'll never forget when she was a shadow cabinet pundit one time for a news source - and she had her *bleep* handed to her by the other parties' panellists. And the look on her face while she was owned was of a child stamping her feet saying "it's not fair"!

[hobbyguy]

https://twitter.com/denisebatters/statu ... enge-to%2F

"Tonight, Erin O'Toole tried to silence me for giving our #CPC members a voice.
I will not be silenced by a leader so weak that he fired me VIA VOICEMAIL.
Most importantly, he cannot suppress the will of our Conservative Party members!
Sign the petition:"

"..so weak he fired me by voicemail..."

Oh my! Has O'Toole learned nothing??? Heck hath no fury....

Michelle is a drama queen. I'll never forget when she was a shadow cabinet pundit one time for a news source - and she had her *bleep* handed to her by the other parties' panellists. And the look on her face while she was owned was of a child stamping her feet saying "it's not fair"!

That quote is from Senator Batters.

So we have a senior senator from Saskatchewan, and a well respected MP from Alberta in Michelle out for blood.

Can't say as I blame either of them. If the "leader" of the party I belong to went off on a goofy policy tangent that did not match what the party has voted on, I would be hopping mad.

As I said before, the CPC membership did not vote for nor want "Trudeau-lite". Next thing you know O'Toole will start wearing funny socks.

O'Toole has engendered a rebellion within the party by selling out the so-cons, selling out the oilsands bunch, selling out the gun advocates - and that leaves O'Toole waaay out on a limb. That Batters and Rempel Garner are sawing it off is unsurprising as I would guess that in background Stubbs and Gladu are on the other end of the crosscut saw.

When I think about it, this is a crack that O'Toole has put a wedge in and pounded on that wedge with a sledge hammer. One could say that the Mavericks are a symptom of that wedge, in part existing because long time Reform/CPC MP Jay Hill felt the CPC had lost the plot. There must a lot of CPC members looking at what O'Toole has been doing and saying, "this ain't what I signed up for".

This really has become a battle for the soul of the CPC. Part of that is because O'Toole has taken an "all about me" approach to the whole thing. Part of it is a collision of reality with nostalgia. Part of it is because CPC members have alternatives now - the PPC and the Mavericks.

Michelle Rempel Garner has really thrown down the gauntlet. I would put the odds of caucus chucking her out at less than 2%. Politically O'Toole is truly a dead man walking.

[crookedmember]

Actually, the Michelle Rempel tweet (that didn't age well) is from 2019 after Trudeau fired JWR.

Michelle has flip-flopped or changed her tune now re strong women, and is backing the lifeless corpse of erin o'toole, after screaming at Batters on Facebook live for about 15 minutes. Welcome to the funhouse.

Looks like everyone in that party flip-flops these days.

It's a caucus about nothing. It's a party about flops.

[hobbyguy]

Actually, the Michelle Rempel tweet (that didn't age well) is from 2019 after Trudeau fired JWR.

Michelle has flip-flopped or changed her tune now re strong women, and is backing the lifeless corpse of erin o'toole, after screaming at Batters on Facebook live for about 15 minutes. Welcome to the funhouse.

Looks like everyone in that party flip-flops these days.

It's a caucus about nothing. It's a party about flops.

That went right over my head So just Gladu, Stubbs and Batters (plus Chen of course).

Anyway, Batters is not pulling any punches, this quote is a beaut:

"Batters said O'Toole is trying to suppress dissent by using "threats" and "intimidation" to force MPs to fall in line.

"If Mr. O'Toole is certain that the members of our party support the new direction in which he is taking our party, he should have nothing to fear by facing our members democratically in an expedited confidence vote. That he is fighting against this with threats and intimidation to caucus speaks volumes," Batters said."

That really gets to what I have been saying. O'Toole's job is to lead, not to be "da' big boss" Soprano style. O'Toole doesn't seem to have a clue about consensus building, team management, and constructive dissent as mechanisms for bringing the party together. The party does NOT belong to O'Toole, it belongs to the membership. IF O'Toole wants to change party policy, then the democratic process applies. Otherwise, what is the point of being a CPC member? Just donate time and $$$ and shut up???

[The Green Barbarian]

Actually, the Michelle Rempel tweet (that didn't age well) is from 2019 after Trudeau fired JWR.

It actually aged very well, and Justin should have taken Michelle's advice, perhaps the Liberals would have had a fighting chance in the last election, despite Erin's excellent leadership.

[hobbyguy]

Actually, the Michelle Rempel tweet (that didn't age well) is from 2019 after Trudeau fired JWR.

It actually aged very well, and Justin should have taken Michelle's advice, perhaps the Liberals would have had a fighting chance in the last election, despite Erin's excellent leadership.

Deflect away, the war is heating up. Betcha Jay Hill and Max Bernier will some hay because of it.

[foenix]

Wow.....weren't the JT haters talking about JT being like a dictator in his party?.......I wonder what they think about this now?......

O'Toole warns more expulsions in store for any MP who challenges his leadership

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/o ... li=AAggNb9

WOW!!......what a dictator!!

[hobbyguy]

Wow.....weren't the JT haters talking about JT being like a dictator in his party?.......I wonder what they think about this now?......

O'Toole warns more expulsions in store for any MP who challenges his leadership

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/o ... li=AAggNb9

WOW!!......what a dictator!!

Yup, the wrong way to proceed. O'Toole is too weak a person to be able to build consensus, so he resorts to pretending he is Putin or some other thug.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... -the-best/

"It has become increasingly clear, however, that the Harper-Scheer wing of the party will not be satisfied until it succeeds in ousting Mr. O’Toole. It does not really matter whether party operatives declare that Ms. Batters’s petition violates the party’s constitution, a contention that is highly contestable in itself; the petition’s mere existence will only serve to embolden others who are nostalgic for the Reform Party to call for Mr. O’Toole’s removal. And that will only expose the 2003 merger of the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative Party for the fraud that many centrist Tories have always believed it to be. After all, Mr. Harper managed to maintain the illusion of a united Canadian right – until he indulged his worst Reformist instincts after winning a majority government in 2011."

SNIP

"The problem is, most Canadians still have no idea what “today’s Conservative Party” stands for. All they know is that, with people such as Ms. Batters and Ms. Gladu garnering all the headlines, it is not a party they want anything to do with."

From that perspective, perhaps there is no solution for O'Toole. The CPC fooled enough people for long enough to form government a couple of times, but the charade has been exposed. O'Toole tried the reverse con, conning the CPC - and then tried to con Canadians writ large - but neither works.

You can't say "pro-choice" and have a party that introduces and votes for an anti-choice bill. You can't say "defend LGBTQ+ rights" and have a party that votes to keep the barbaric nonsense of "conversion therapy". You can't say "pro guns" and then flip flop around and arrive at keeping the Liberal assault weapon ban. You can't say "no carbon tax" and then flip flop around and arrive a watered version of a carbon tax. And on, and on, and on....

The only thing O'Toole has made clear is that he desperately wants to be "leader" of the CPC and desperately wants to be PM - but like a yappy dog chasing a bus - has no idea what to do with it if he catches it. The campaign was a mess, and every time O'Toole runs into an issue within the party he goes all bully, but is taking a tiny dull pen knife to a gun fight.

This will not end well for O'Toole - but that is a distraction. The basic reality is that red Tories are incompatible with the reform bunch. O'Toole is just the latest focus for yet another CPC face plant. The CPC keeps doing the same thing(s) over and over again and expecting a different result. Not gonna happen.

[bob vernon]

This should help widen the crack and force the loonie people who want to mess with people's private lives to get up and vote and show their support for this archaic practice. Or not. I just wonder how our local Okanagan Tracy will vote.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/35 ... on-therapy

[hobbyguy]

This should help widen the crack and force the loonie People who want to mess with people's private lives to get up and vote and show their support for this archaic practice. Or not. I just wonder how our local Okanagan Tracy will vote.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/35 ... on-therapy

Yup, it will be a serious challenge for the CPC to deal with this. Ding dongs like Tracy Gray, Michael Cooper and Cathay Wagantall didn't like the weaker version of the legislation - so this stronger version ought to have them in a tizzy.

Nope, there should be nothing controversial about this bill. It just makes sense, but watch the ding dong CPC caucus go nuts - and Mr. "protect LGBTQ rights" O'Toole? Hmmm... the last few shreds of hair pulled out as it is almost guaranteed that the ding dong caucus will make him look stupid.

It is rather sad that doing the correct thing is a challenge for the CPC. This should simply be a no brainer for MPs: vote for it and move on - but the odds of that happening for the CPC are very slim.

[Pappywinkle]

These days it's tough keeping track of all the conservative governments that are forming cracks. O'Toole's conservatives are being dumped left and right, Kenney is too incompetent to even form a distraction from his incompetence, Scott Moe is fighting to be just not worse than Kenney (and failing), Shelly Golver is going full Trumpian with her rigged election garbage, and Ontario is, well, still Ontario.

I can't wait to see which conservative government embarrasses right wingers next.

What an embarrassing time to be conservative.

[The Green Barbarian]

Ding dongs like Tracy Gray,

We get that the Liberals got their butts handed to them last election, but this just smells so much like "sore loser". Tracy is doing a fantastic job, and doesn't deserve this.

[Pappywinkle]

Ding dongs like Tracy Gray,

LOL so true! Everyone knows many of the splintering conservative factions are against LGBTQ rights, which is why the CPC was the only party to vote against Trudeau's ban on conversion therapy torture. And Tracy Gray embarrassed herself when she refused to vote for the bill. Truly disgusting, and just the absolute worst. Just yuck!