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foenix wrote: Nov 18th, 2021, 11:11 am Wow.....weren't the JT haters talking about JT being like a dictator in his party?.......I wonder what they think about this now?...... [icon_lol2.gif]

O'Toole warns more expulsions in store for any MP who challenges his leadership

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/o ... li=AAggNb9

WOW!!......what a dictator!!
Yup, the wrong way to proceed. O'Toole is too weak a person to be able to build consensus, so he resorts to pretending he is Putin or some other thug.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... -the-best/

"It has become increasingly clear, however, that the Harper-Scheer wing of the party will not be satisfied until it succeeds in ousting Mr. O’Toole. It does not really matter whether party operatives declare that Ms. Batters’s petition violates the party’s constitution, a contention that is highly contestable in itself; the petition’s mere existence will only serve to embolden others who are nostalgic for the Reform Party to call for Mr. O’Toole’s removal. And that will only expose the 2003 merger of the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative Party for the fraud that many centrist Tories have always believed it to be. After all, Mr. Harper managed to maintain the illusion of a united Canadian right – until he indulged his worst Reformist instincts after winning a majority government in 2011."

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"The problem is, most Canadians still have no idea what “today’s Conservative Party” stands for. All they know is that, with people such as Ms. Batters and Ms. Gladu garnering all the headlines, it is not a party they want anything to do with."

From that perspective, perhaps there is no solution for O'Toole. The CPC fooled enough people for long enough to form government a couple of times, but the charade has been exposed. O'Toole tried the reverse con, conning the CPC - and then tried to con Canadians writ large - but neither works.

You can't say "pro-choice" and have a party that introduces and votes for an anti-choice bill. You can't say "defend LGBTQ+ rights" and have a party that votes to keep the barbaric nonsense of "conversion therapy". You can't say "pro guns" and then flip flop around and arrive at keeping the Liberal assault weapon ban. You can't say "no carbon tax" and then flip flop around and arrive a watered version of a carbon tax. And on, and on, and on....

The only thing O'Toole has made clear is that he desperately wants to be "leader" of the CPC and desperately wants to be PM - but like a yappy dog chasing a bus - has no idea what to do with it if he catches it. The campaign was a mess, and every time O'Toole runs into an issue within the party he goes all bully, but is taking a tiny dull pen knife to a gun fight.

This will not end well for O'Toole - but that is a distraction. The basic reality is that red Tories are incompatible with the reform bunch. O'Toole is just the latest focus for yet another CPC face plant. The CPC keeps doing the same thing(s) over and over again and expecting a different result. Not gonna happen.
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This should help widen the crack and force the loonie people who want to mess with people's private lives to get up and vote and show their support for this archaic practice. Or not. I just wonder how our local Okanagan Tracy will vote.

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bob vernon wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 6:46 am This should help widen the crack and force the loonie People who want to mess with people's private lives to get up and vote and show their support for this archaic practice. Or not. I just wonder how our local Okanagan Tracy will vote.

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Yup, it will be a serious challenge for the CPC to deal with this. Ding dongs like Tracy Gray, Michael Cooper and Cathay Wagantall didn't like the weaker version of the legislation - so this stronger version ought to have them in a tizzy.

Nope, there should be nothing controversial about this bill. It just makes sense, but watch the ding dong CPC caucus go nuts - and Mr. "protect LGBTQ rights" O'Toole? Hmmm... the last few shreds of hair pulled out as it is almost guaranteed that the ding dong caucus will make him look stupid.

It is rather sad that doing the correct thing is a challenge for the CPC. This should simply be a no brainer for MPs: vote for it and move on - but the odds of that happening for the CPC are very slim.
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These days it's tough keeping track of all the conservative governments that are forming cracks. O'Toole's conservatives are being dumped left and right, Kenney is too incompetent to even form a distraction from his incompetence, Scott Moe is fighting to be just not worse than Kenney (and failing), Shelly Golver is going full Trumpian with her rigged election garbage, and Ontario is, well, still Ontario.

I can't wait to see which conservative government embarrasses right wingers next.

What an embarrassing time to be conservative.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 7:47 am
Ding dongs like Tracy Gray,
We get that the Liberals got their butts handed to them last election, but this just smells so much like "sore loser". Tracy is doing a fantastic job, and doesn't deserve this.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 7:47 am
Ding dongs like Tracy Gray,
LOL so true! Everyone knows many of the splintering conservative factions are against LGBTQ rights, which is why the CPC was the only party to vote against Trudeau's ban on conversion therapy torture. And Tracy Gray embarrassed herself when she refused to vote for the bill. Truly disgusting, and just the absolute worst. Just yuck!
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... r-of-tory/

"Not entirely ousted: Senator critical of O’Toole remains member of Tory Senate caucus"

Denise Batters remains a member of the Senate Conservative caucus, even though Erin O’Toole ousted the Saskatchewan senator from the national Conservative caucus earlier this week for challenging his leadership of the party.

On Thursday, Karine Leroux, a spokesperson for Don Plett, the leader of the opposition in the Senate, confirmed that Ms. Batters is a current member of the Senate Conservative caucus. Ms. Leroux said she could not elaborate, because doing so would “encroach on caucus confidentiality.”


Uh oh. Looks like the Conservative senate is lukewarm on wee Erin.

Not that it matters to Denise Batters, she will plow ahead anyway as O'Toole can't touch her. I may not align with Denise Batters ideologically, but you have to admire her willingness to stand up to Fidel O'Toole.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 9:09 am https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... r-of-tory/

"Not entirely ousted: Senator critical of O’Toole remains member of Tory Senate caucus"

Denise Batters remains a member of the Senate Conservative caucus, even though Erin O’Toole ousted the Saskatchewan senator from the national Conservative caucus earlier this week for challenging his leadership of the party.

On Thursday, Karine Leroux, a spokesperson for Don Plett, the leader of the opposition in the Senate, confirmed that Ms. Batters is a current member of the Senate Conservative caucus. Ms. Leroux said she could not elaborate, because doing so would “encroach on caucus confidentiality.”


Uh oh. Looks like the Conservative senate is lukewarm on wee Erin.

Not that it matters to Denise Batters, she will plow ahead anyway as O'Toole can't touch her. I may not align with Denise Batters ideologically, but you have to admire her willingness to stand up to Fidel O'Toole.
Not surprising, the entire Tory senate caucus was appointed by Harper.
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bob vernon wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 6:46 am This should help widen the crack and force the loonie People who want to mess with people's private lives to get up and vote and show their support for this archaic practice. Or not. I just wonder how our local Okanagan Tracy will vote.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/35 ... on-therapy
It will be interesting to see how the MPs that voted against the last bill, ostensibly for it's imperfect wording, vote on this bill. Will MPs like Tracy Gray find another lame-o excuse to cover their homophobia or will they fly their bigot flags high this time, given that their constituents re-elected them in spite of, or because of it? Or, and honestly I hope this is the way it goes, she and her friends vote to outlaw the barbaric cultural practice that is conversion therapy and there will be nothing to mock...but I'm not optimistic.
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Catri wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 1:18 pm
bob vernon wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 6:46 am This should help widen the crack and force the loonie People who want to mess with people's private lives to get up and vote and show their support for this archaic practice. Or not. I just wonder how our local Okanagan Tracy will vote.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/35 ... on-therapy
It will be interesting to see how the MPs that voted against the last bill, ostensibly for it's imperfect wording, vote on this bill. Will MPs like Tracy Gray find another lame-o excuse to cover their homophobia or will they fly their bigot flags high this time, given that their constituents re-elected them in spite of, or because of it? Or, and honestly I hope this is the way it goes, she and her friends vote to outlaw the barbaric cultural practice that is conversion therapy and there will be nothing to mock...but I'm not optimistic.
In terms of our local do nothing MP, it will likely depend on whether or not Fidel O'Toole allows a "vote of conscience". IF O'Toole says he wants a vote for it, then I would expect our local do nothing to knuckle under and vote the way Fidel wants her to. Maybe not Gladu, Stubbs, Wagantall and that group as they have nothing to lose - they already have their gold plated pensions locked in, and don't give a darn, but our local do nothing? Yup, whichever way the wind blows through whatever is left of O'Toole's hair.

O'Toole has to be vewwy vewwy careful though. If he pushes Wagantall or Stubbs too far, I have the sense they will put on a performance that will make JWR look like a friendly purring little kitten. Especially with Batters to back them up.
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Catri wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 1:18 pm
It will be interesting to see how the MPs that voted against the last bill, ostensibly for it's imperfect wording, vote on this bill. Will MPs like Tracy Gray find another lame-o excuse to cover their homophobia
Tracy Gray isn't a Liberal, so why would she have to worry about homophobia? You really need to get more informed on which parties are the true homophobes. The CPC is doing a fantastic job fighting the homophobic Liberals. Great job Tracy!!
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 7:59 pm
Catri wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 1:18 pm
It will be interesting to see how the MPs that voted against the last bill, ostensibly for it's imperfect wording, vote on this bill. Will MPs like Tracy Gray find another lame-o excuse to cover their homophobia
Tracy Gray isn't a Liberal, so why would she have to worry about homophobia? You really need to get more informed on which parties are the true homophobes. The CPC is doing a fantastic job fighting the homophobic Liberals. Great job Tracy!!
As usual, the CPC answer is "but the other guys", deny, wiggle squirm.

Face it. Tracy Gray does nothing, accomplishes nothing, except gather the time to qualify for a gold plated pension. She voted against women's rights, seniors rights, and LGBTQ rights. If you ain't a wealthy WASP, Tracy seems to think you don't qualify as a human being.

That is one of the many problems with the CPC blue outhouse.

The CPC have such a collection of nonsensical positions and outlooks that the party can not present anything cohesive, logical and useful for Canadians to vote for. In many cases the CPC positions are incompatible with each other. You can't be for "human rights" and then attack the rights of women, seniors, and LGBTQ folks. You can't be for fiscal responsibility and be anti-tax warriors. You can't be for public safety and advocate for wide open gun laws. And so on.

The fact that the "other guys" don't get it right 100% of the time is never enough. Folks recognize back stabbing nonsense when they see it, and most don't like it. Focus on that attacking the other guy, and you come across as just being trolls. And this a problem for the CPC - it is constant, every time the weakling O'Toole opens his mouth, or Scheer, or ______ fill in the blanks, instead of laying out and advocating for a better way of doing something or approaching something, all the CPC does is attack the other guys.

Within the CPC are seeds of viable options, expressed by people like Michael Chong, but it gets lost in the cacophony of nonsense and discord of nut positions. So the end result is that 6 in 10 Canadians see the as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... d_nuts.jpg. At the moment, that certainly seems a correct assessment.

O'Toole ain't the guy to fix that. And whether the CPC writ large realizes it or not, there is no set of of positions they have presented consensus on. That may be inherent with the unholy alliance of advocacies that the CPC assembled, as many of them are narrowly focused on OCD advocacy of unpopular (and oftimes unacceptable) fringe positions.

O'Toole is a "I just wanna win" guy with no core vision (which is why he flip flops all the time). That is not going to build a consensus of positions within the CPC. It seems that every time O'Toole opens his mouth, he is caught between what the majority of everyday Canadians want, and one OCD advocacy fringe group within the CPC or another. O'Toole hasn't done the work to build consensus within the CPC, and has erred mightily in trying impose different positions than what the grassroots voted for. Now O'Toole, in desperation, is attempting thuggery. Ain't gonna work. It will fracture the party even more.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 7:59 pm
Catri wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 1:18 pm
It will be interesting to see how the MPs that voted against the last bill, ostensibly for it's imperfect wording, vote on this bill. Will MPs like Tracy Gray find another lame-o excuse to cover their homophobia
Tracy Gray isn't a Liberal, so why would she have to worry about homophobia? You really need to get more informed on which parties are the true homophobes. The CPC is doing a fantastic job fighting the homophobic Liberals. Great job Tracy!!
Let's see who votes for and against this bill. We'll see which party has the most members who want to continue the barbaric practice of laying on of hands to drive out the demon of homosexuality. Normally, most Canadians don't notice how individual MPs vote on an issue, but on a socially divisive issue like conversion therapy (and it isn't therapy, it edges into torture in some fundamentalist cults) the roll call will get a lot of interest.
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Catri wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 1:18 pm
It will be interesting to see how the MPs that voted against the last bill, ostensibly for it's imperfect wording, vote on this bill. Will MPs like Tracy Gray find another lame-o excuse to cover their homophobia
Tracy Gray is absolutely a homophobe, just like many other evil and disgusting conservatives in favour of conversion therapy torture. The CPC truly is the party of homophobes and are doing a horrible job hiding their disgusting and regressive views - especially dumb conservatives who consider Gray’s homophobic voting in favour of conversion therapy torture as doing a great job.

It will be interesting to see which faction of the crumbling CPC the homophobe Tracy Gray will join when the CPC inevitably collapses.
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