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Gone_Fishin wrote: Nov 22nd, 2021, 7:16 pm
You spend £7000 for 12 tanks of gas? :135:

Even with Trudeau's insane carbon tax, your math is wonky, or you have a 617 litre tank on your car at today's fuel prices.
Yup. This math makes no sense. Why is no one surprised. The nut-jobs trying to sell the EV garbage are always going to lie to sell the EV narrative to the gullible masses. EV doesn't make sense to anyone other than the uber-rich and the 1%, who what to virtue-signal to the 99% of the loser population who can't afford the largesse of the rich elitists.
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Iamme wrote: Nov 22nd, 2021, 5:36 pmFluffy,
I live in a Strata townhouse complex in Vernon. Our strata by-laws currently says, anything that is to be done inside is the structure is the responsibility or decision of the owner. Anything outside including windows, garage door, landscaping etc. is covered by Strata agreement and obviously paid for through our monthly maintenance fees. I suppose it could change although I believe it would have to be voted on by owners / proxy at the AGM. If you’re looking for a strata condo, townhouse etc., make sure you get previous minutes from council meetings and especially previous AGM minutes. There are complexes that don’t have a ppty mgmt company and decisions are made by the local residents. Maintenance fees in this regard is lower. Just a heads up and good luck with everything. You’ll find your new place
Yes, that's usually the gist of it, any issues inside the walls of the unit are the owners' responsibility, anything outside are considered common property, even decks that are only accessible from inside the unit. I'm not sure of charging requirements, whether a slow charge only needs basic household wiring. In colder climates it's standard issue for outdoor parking to have an electrical outlet for automotive block heaters, but I don't know how common they are around here.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Nov 22nd, 2021, 7:16 pmYou spend £7000 for 12 tanks of gas?
Oops, too many zeros. £700 that should have read. I go through (at least) a tank a month, these days a fill is $100 or more if I'm pretty low.

Still, looking at a fuel consumption only, would it cost $100/month to keep an EV charged ? My monthly consumption for my whole house rarely gets past $80.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 4:53 am
Gone_Fishin wrote: Nov 22nd, 2021, 7:16 pmYou spend £7000 for 12 tanks of gas?
Oops, too many zeros. £700 that should have read. I go through (at least) a tank a month, these days a fill is $100 or more if I'm pretty low.
It's odd to me to see that people who firmly believe fossil fuels cause climate change use considerably more fossil fuels than I do.

fluffy wrote:Still, looking at a fuel consumption only, would it cost $100/month to keep an EV charged ?
Not if you are able to plug in at your community's expense some of the time.
fluffy wrote:My monthly consumption for my whole house rarely gets past $80.
Is that because your house uses natural gas for heating?

I've been told most Penticton older neighbourhoods' electrical supply wouldn't be able to handle the extra load of more than two EVs. Don't know if it's true. Likely to be more of a problem as people stop using natural gas in these neighbourhoods, though.
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People:

- Why is housing expensive?

Also people:

- Let's force builders spend money on useless addons.
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Even Steven wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 6:41 am People:

- Why is housing expensive?

Also people:

- Let's force builders spend money on useless addons.
:up: :up:
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Even Steven wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 6:41 amLet's force builders spend money on useless addons.
Will smoothing the road toward EV use be "useless" though ? The BC government has a pretty ambitious plan to reduce fossil fuel emissions which includes banning the sale of new gas-powered light-duty vehicles by 2035. Carbon taxation is scheduled to rise by a factor of four by 2030. The plan calls for 10,000 more EV fast-charging stations by the same date. It looks like an electric future is pretty much a done deal, wouldn't it make sense to have residential construction standards keep pace ?
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fluffy wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 7:01 am
Even Steven wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 6:41 amLet's force builders spend money on useless addons.
Will smoothing the road toward EV use be "useless" though ? The BC government has a pretty ambitious plan to reduce fossil fuel emissions which includes banning the sale of new gas-powered light-duty vehicles by 2035. Carbon taxation is scheduled to rise by a factor of four by 2030. The plan calls for 10,000 more EV fast-charging stations by the same date. It looks like an electric future is pretty much a done deal, wouldn't it make sense to have residential construction standards keep pace ?
Residential standards have driven up the cost to build over the past few code changes, in response to climate alarmists. IMO, forcing the public to pay for EV charging stations will turn out to be a mistake. Like forcing the public to pay to have their homes equipped with fibre networks to each room, only to have that technology outstripped by Bluetooth technology. There are likely better examples.

Still, it never ceases to amaze me that people who complain about inequality cannot see when they're driving up inequality by forcing everyone to pay more for their necessities. Publicly funded EV charging for Tesla owners is one example. Forcing the public to fund 10,000 more EV fast charging stations is another brick in the wall between the have-mores and the have-lesses.
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What sized breaker does a re-charge station use? 15A, 20 A at 110V or 15A at 220V

I suspect most if not all new house builds here are 200 amp service and a charge station would not be too much of an issue, however older houses, like ours, are on a 100 amp service. Granted we use gas for stove, hot water, dryer, furnace and gas fireplace so the heavy electrical draws are not there.
Not interested in a EV so a charge station is not on the horizon.
I was on the North Shore in Van recently, lots of Tesla's on the road. Rest seemed to be German ICE vehicles.

Regarding mandatory charge stations installed in single homes, I don't think it would be expensive. I wired in a welding outlet in my carport with about $100.00 in materials.
I'd like to see mandatory sprinklers in new house builds . Costs may well be recouped from lower insurance rates.
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With all the fires and floods this year, "lower insurance costs" are out of the question for anyone. Sprinklers would not have saved Lytton.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 7:01 amThe BC government has a pretty ambitious plan to reduce fossil fuel emissions which includes banning the sale of new gas-powered light-duty vehicles by 2035. Carbon taxation is scheduled to rise by a factor of four by 2030. The plan calls for 10,000 more EV fast-charging stations by the same date. It looks like an electric future is pretty much a done deal, wouldn't it make sense to have residential construction standards keep pace ?
It would. But it would also further increase the housing prices. As long as you're OK with that, it's all good.
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seewood wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 7:23 am What sized breaker does a re-charge station use? 15A, 20 A at 110V or 15A at 220V

I suspect most if not all new house builds here are 200 amp service and a charge station would not be too much of an issue, however older houses, like ours, are on a 100 amp service. Granted we use gas for stove, hot water, dryer, furnace and gas fireplace so the heavy electrical draws are not there.
Not interested in a EV so a charge station is not on the horizon.
I was on the North Shore in Van recently, lots of Tesla's on the road. Rest seemed to be German ICE vehicles.

Regarding mandatory charge stations installed in single homes, I don't think it would be expensive. I wired in a welding outlet in my carport with about $100.00 in materials.
I'd like to see mandatory sprinklers in new house builds . Costs may well be recouped from lower insurance rates.
From what I've just been reading a basic 120V outlet delivering 12 amps is sufficient for an overnight charge. For new construction the BC Hydro site is recommending a dedicated 240V circuit to allow for future upgrading to fast chargers, but it doesn't sound like trickle chargers amount to much as far as loads on the neighbourhood grid, even better if you have a timer system that will allow charging to go on after peek hours in the evening.
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Even Steven wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 7:43 am But it would also further increase the housing prices. As long as you're OK with that, it's all good.
Yes, but only marginally. What does it cost to run a circuit for a stove or clothes dryer ? Sounds like that's all that would be needed for a fast charger. A trickle charger, from the sounds of things, wouldn't amount to anything more serious than running a couple of strings of Christmas lights.
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seewood wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 7:23 am What sized breaker does a re-charge station use? 15A, 20 A at 110V or 15A at 220V

I suspect most if not all new house builds here are 200 amp service and a charge station would not be too much of an issue, however older houses, like ours, are on a 100 amp service. Granted we use gas for stove, hot water, dryer, furnace and gas fireplace so the heavy electrical draws are not there.
Not interested in a EV so a charge station is not on the horizon.
I was on the North Shore in Van recently, lots of Tesla's on the road. Rest seemed to be German ICE vehicles.

Regarding mandatory charge stations installed in single homes, I don't think it would be expensive. I wired in a welding outlet in my carport with about $100.00 in materials.
I'd like to see mandatory sprinklers in new house builds . Costs may well be recouped from lower insurance rates.
Ahahahha to the person that said 120V will charge overnight. For an average tesla, 120V charging will get you 2 miles of range per hour. Unless your daily commute is less than 30miles (50km) you won't be able to charge overnight.

Seewood - to answer your question, chargers come in different styles, sizes, and options depending on the size of the electrical circuit you have. 240V 30amp is generally seen as good, with 240V 50A prefered.
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fluffy wrote: Nov 23rd, 2021, 7:55 am Yes, but only marginally. What does it cost to run a circuit for a stove or clothes dryer ? Sounds like that's all that would be needed for a fast charger. A trickle charger, from the sounds of things, wouldn't amount to anything more serious than running a couple of strings of Christmas lights.
Then people should be able to do it themselves if they truly need it instead of forcing everyone to have it whether or not they're using it but still paying for it.

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