All Things Trudeau, Chapter 2

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Joe Oliver: The Trudeau Liberals learn nothing and forget nothing

Talleyrand, diplomat and schemer extraordinaire, said of the Bourbons who ruled France both before and after the revolution that “They learned nothing and forgot nothing.” The same can be said of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his entitled coterie of acolytes and puppet-masters (yes, both). They have learned nothing from egregious ethical breaches and economic failures and they have forgotten nothing about divisive cultural wokeness and dysfunctional climate obsessions. (One thing that evidently has been forgotten is “deliverology,” which seems to have been a transitory enchantment. Look up deliverology in a thesaurus and you might find the PM’s picture under antonyms.)

What will become of Mr. Trudeau? Will he be cast aside in the cauldron of political upheaval, as the Bourbons were, or will he achieve his vision of a dystopian paradise at the expense of a public aroused too late to its dismal fate?

The desultory throne speech provides scant hope he has understood anything about his mistakes or rid himself of his harmful preoccupations. Long on shibboleths and bereft of new ideas, it gives short shrift to an emerging issue of great concern to Canadians, especially the poor and retirees on fixed income: rising inflation, which is running at 4.7 per cent here and 6.2 per cent in the U.S.

Recently, Trudeau’s fellow progressive, President Joe Biden, served him a bitter dish of poetic justice by proposing to subsidize green cars on the backs of Canadian workers. American may be back, but not for Canada. Automobiles and parts are our second largest exports after, you guessed it, oil and gas. With his usual eloquence, Rex Murphy contrasted Trudeau’s panicky reaction to a $12,000 tax credit for American-made electric vehicles, which would be a devastating blow to Ontario’s automotive industry, with his insouciant promise to transition the oil and gas business to extinction. (Where is the extinction rebellion for the tenth of the Canadian economy that is oil and gas?) Both misguided initiatives aim to combat climate change. But what is good for the Western goose evidently is not good for the Eastern gander.
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Hurtlander wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 9:51 am
Absolutely no part of your 10,000 word diatribe deals with the fact that Trudeau doesn’t have the first clue what it’s like to go through life not having a trust fund, the fact that Trudeau doesn’t have to concern himself with the price of milk, eggs, meat or bread because he’s filthy rich. When it’s been pointed out in the House of Commons that inflation is really hurting seniors, all brain-dead Trudeau can come up with is his $10.00 day care plan…. The government needs to immediately put some measures in place to help control inflation, the country needs serious belt tightening measures, the government needs to stop printing money, interest rates need to go up etc, all things that have proven to work in my lifetime, certainly it’ll be an uncomfortable hard reality for a few years, but it needs to be done because this is getting completely out of control.
And so what? Yup, Trudeau has a trust fund. O'Toole has money. Singh has Money. Blanchet has money. In fact every single MP has money - we pay them over $180K per year plus a very fat expense account, and a gold plated pension plan.

And don't make me laugh about seniors being ignored. The CPC actually hammered seniors when they had the chance. The current Trudeau Liberal government has improved the OAS/GIS system, raised pensions, improved CPP, and is raising pensions again for older seniors at the end of June. The Trudeau Liberals have also put a fair bit of effort into important things for seniors like home care options, age friendly communities. OAS/GIS and CPP have inflation escalators. My CPP will go up in January. My OAS will go up as well - quarterly adjustments. Will it be enough to cover the current inflation? Nope. It's a spike. But it will cover some of it, and the rest will come out of my personal savings.

Trudeau himself may be insulated from the effects, but the Trudeau Liberals have generally been good for seniors. They even guarantee seniors a platform plank from the grassroots seniors every two years, and another half dozen for consideration.

And yup, the right wing trolls bash away at deficits they have a large responsibility for as the CPC created a structural revenue deficit. And the right wing Trudeau bashers love to spin the nonsense about "out of control spending" blah, blah, blah - which is just plain nonsense as the Trudeau Liberals spend LESS as % of GDP than Chretien and Mulroney.

Federal government spending is NOT the source of the current inflation. End of story. Here's what Harper appointee Poloz has to say: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/stimulu ... -1.5683699

"OTTAWA -- Former Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz says government spending and stimulus are not to blame for increased inflation.

"I think that's not right," he said during an interview on CTV's Question Period airing Sunday. "In fact, what the stimulus did was to keep the economy from going into a deep hole in which we would have experienced persistent deflation."

But I know, the Trudeau bashers will pretend they know more than the likes of Poloz...
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 11:58 am
Hurtlander wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 9:51 am
Absolutely no part of your 10,000 word diatribe deals with the fact that Trudeau doesn’t have the first clue what it’s like to go through life not having a trust fund, the fact that Trudeau doesn’t have to concern himself with the price of milk, eggs, meat or bread because he’s filthy rich. When it’s been pointed out in the House of Commons that inflation is really hurting seniors, all brain-dead Trudeau can come up with is his $10.00 day care plan…. The government needs to immediately put some measures in place to help control inflation, the country needs serious belt tightening measures, the government needs to stop printing money, interest rates need to go up etc, all things that have proven to work in my lifetime, certainly it’ll be an uncomfortable hard reality for a few years, but it needs to be done because this is getting completely out of control.
And so what? Yup, Trudeau has a trust fund. O'Toole has money. Singh has Money. Blanchet has money. In fact every single MP has money - we pay them over $180K per year plus a very fat expense account, and a gold plated pension plan.

And don't make me laugh about seniors being ignored. The CPC actually hammered seniors when they had the chance. The current Trudeau Liberal government has improved the OAS/GIS system, raised pensions, improved CPP, and is raising pensions again for older seniors at the end of June. The Trudeau Liberals have also put a fair bit of effort into important things for seniors like home care options, age friendly communities. OAS/GIS and CPP have inflation escalators. My CPP will go up in January. My OAS will go up as well - quarterly adjustments. Will it be enough to cover the current inflation? Nope. It's a spike. But it will cover some of it, and the rest will come out of my personal savings.

Trudeau himself may be insulated from the effects, but the Trudeau Liberals have generally been good for seniors. They even guarantee seniors a platform plank from the grassroots seniors every two years, and another half dozen for consideration.

And yup, the right wing trolls bash away at deficits they have a large responsibility for as the CPC created a structural revenue deficit. And the right wing Trudeau bashers love to spin the nonsense about "out of control spending" blah, blah, blah - which is just plain nonsense as the Trudeau Liberals spend LESS as % of GDP than Chretien and Mulroney.

Federal government spending is NOT the source of the current inflation. End of story. Here's what Harper appointee Poloz has to say: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/stimulu ... -1.5683699

"OTTAWA -- Former Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz says government spending and stimulus are not to blame for increased inflation.

"I think that's not right," he said during an interview on CTV's Question Period airing Sunday. "In fact, what the stimulus did was to keep the economy from going into a deep hole in which we would have experienced persistent deflation."

But I know, the Trudeau bashers will pretend they know more than the likes of Poloz...
Well said.

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I wonder how much taxpayers money has been spent by Justin on carbon credits for all his travel in the last 18 months.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 11:58 am

And so what? Yup, Trudeau has a trust fund.
And he's a spoiled brat who has no clue what the average Canadian goes through. That's the whole point. Justin doesn't know and just doesn't care.
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John Ivison: Trudeau Liberals attempt another end run around accountability

Erin O’Toole made light of Justin Trudeau’s description of the 2021 general election as a “pivotal, consequential moment for Canada” in his reply to last week’s Throne Speech.

“It was so pivotal that Justin Trudeau took his sweet time to bring the House of Commons back to be accountable to Canadians; so pivotal that three months later he has still not put in place the structure of government…

“He is ignoring the great responsibility this Parliament has,” he said.

With storms once again about to menace the West Coast and with a worrying new COVID variant already here, Canadians may think they have more important concerns than the “structure of government.”

But O’Toole has raised an issue that should provoke unease in anyone who cares about democracy in this country – the tendency of the executive to run the House of Commons for partisan benefit, rather than to be accountable to it. The belief in government appears to be that the less the opposition parties and the media know about what is going on, the better.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 11:58 am
Hurtlander wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 9:51 am
Absolutely no part of your 10,000 word diatribe deals with the fact that Trudeau doesn’t have the first clue what it’s like to go through life not having a trust fund, the fact that Trudeau doesn’t have to concern himself with the price of milk, eggs, meat or bread because he’s filthy rich. When it’s been pointed out in the House of Commons that inflation is really hurting seniors, all brain-dead Trudeau can come up with is his $10.00 day care plan…. The government needs to immediately put some measures in place to help control inflation, the country needs serious belt tightening measures, the government needs to stop printing money, interest rates need to go up etc, all things that have proven to work in my lifetime, certainly it’ll be an uncomfortable hard reality for a few years, but it needs to be done because this is getting completely out of control.
And so what? Yup, Trudeau has a trust fund. O'Toole has money. Singh has Money. Blanchet has money. In fact every single MP has money - we pay them over $180K per year plus a very fat expense account, and a gold plated pension plan.

And don't make me laugh about seniors being ignored. The CPC actually hammered seniors when they had the chance. The current Trudeau Liberal government has improved the OAS/GIS system, raised pensions, improved CPP, and is raising pensions again for older seniors at the end of June. The Trudeau Liberals have also put a fair bit of effort into important things for seniors like home care options, age friendly communities. OAS/GIS and CPP have inflation escalators. My CPP will go up in January. My OAS will go up as well - quarterly adjustments. Will it be enough to cover the current inflation? Nope. It's a spike. But it will cover some of it, and the rest will come out of my personal savings.

Trudeau himself may be insulated from the effects, but the Trudeau Liberals have generally been good for seniors. They even guarantee seniors a platform plank from the grassroots seniors every two years, and another half dozen for consideration.

And yup, the right wing trolls bash away at deficits they have a large responsibility for as the CPC created a structural revenue deficit. And the right wing Trudeau bashers love to spin the nonsense about "out of control spending" blah, blah, blah - which is just plain nonsense as the Trudeau Liberals spend LESS as % of GDP than Chretien and Mulroney.

Federal government spending is NOT the source of the current inflation. End of story. Here's what Harper appointee Poloz has to say: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/stimulu ... -1.5683699

"OTTAWA -- Former Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz says government spending and stimulus are not to blame for increased inflation.

"I think that's not right," he said during an interview on CTV's Question Period airing Sunday. "In fact, what the stimulus did was to keep the economy from going into a deep hole in which we would have experienced persistent deflation."

But I know, the Trudeau bashers will pretend they know more than the likes of Poloz...
Yeah, you didn't address the concerns of the CPC partisans who hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns and will basically hate everything he does and whinge about everything he doesn't do. It's futile to hit that group with actual facts, their partisanship will not allow them to see sense.

It's pretty hilarious to see CPC supporters insisting that there's something inherently evil about being wealthy.
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Catri wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 2:34 pm

It's pretty hilarious to see CPC supporters insisting that there's something inherently evil about being wealthy.
It'd be hilarious if this was actually a thing.
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The government’s official line is that this plan respects health guidelines and protects MPs from COVID exposure. “If we have no hybrid measures, there’s an obligation for members to attend regardless of their health circumstances, regardless if they’re immunocompromised,” said Liberal House leader Mark Holland . “It is absolutely unacceptable, in a pandemic, to force them into circumstances where their health is at risk.”

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole didn’t buy that line. “It’s totally unacceptable for Mr. Trudeau to go to big meetings such as the (COP26) one in Glasgow, but not be able to meet here on the Hill,” he thundered. “What are the Liberals afraid of? The answer is obvious. Justin Trudeau has an aversion to accountability.”
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 5:38 pm
Catri wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 2:34 pm

It's pretty hilarious to see CPC supporters insisting that there's something inherently evil about being wealthy.
It'd be hilarious if this was actually a thing.
Tasha Kheiriddin: Another ‘virtual’ hybrid Parliament could be a dangerous thing in government hands

Have you always wanted to be an MP, but dread the thought of commuting to Ottawa? Well, you can go ahead and expand your career horizons now that the House of Commons has approved yet another session of a hybrid Parliament. Last week, MPs voted along party lines, with 180 Liberal and NDP members versus 140 Bloc Québécois and Conservatives, in favour of House sittings that combine in-person and virtual participation.

The government’s official line is that this plan respects health guidelines and protects MPs from COVID exposure. “If we have no hybrid measures, there’s an obligation for members to attend regardless of their health circumstances, regardless if they’re immunocompromised,” said Liberal House leader Mark Holland . “It is absolutely unacceptable, in a pandemic, to force them into circumstances where their health is at risk.”

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole didn’t buy that line. “It’s totally unacceptable for Mr. Trudeau to go to big meetings such as the (COP26) one in Glasgow, but not be able to meet here on the Hill,” he thundered. “What are the Liberals afraid of? The answer is obvious. Justin Trudeau has an aversion to accountability.”
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Yup - its only dangerous for CPC MPs because..?...too dumb to figure out zoom?...Anti-vaxxers in the CPC should be happy so that can't be it... .

Not dangerous for Bloc MPs. Not for NDP MPs. Not for Green MPs. Not for Liberal MPs.

Just spin from someone who wrote Rescuing Canada’s Right: Blueprint for a Conservative Revolution and was a director for the Fraser Institute.

Now just think of the taxpayer $$$ saved by not having MPs "commuting" back and forth to their ridings. They can stay here, and actually do something for their constituents instead of racking up per diems in Ottawa and huge travel costs. Is THAT what CPC MPs are upset about? Being asked to keep their CPC snouts out of the trough??

Trudeau is being very kind to the CPC MPs who are not vaxxed.

Its all "inside ball". The general public doesn't give a rats.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 8:13 pm ..too dumb to figure out zoom?
That's reserved for Liberal MP's who wag Mr Johnson in front of the camera not once, but twice.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 8:16 pm That's reserved for Liberal MP's who wag Mr Johnson in front of the camera not once, but twice.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 8:13 pm Now just think of the taxpayer $$$ saved by not having MPs "commuting" back and forth to their ridings. They can stay here, and actually do something for their constituents instead of racking up per diems in Ottawa and huge travel costs. Is THAT what CPC MPs are upset about? Being asked to keep their CPC snouts out of the trough??
Imagine how much money could be saved if we just closed down the parliament buildings. If they are staying home anyway, they don't need to have a huge outlay of taxpayer funds to keep heating, staffing, etc. all the empty buildings. Maybe they could sell them to some Liberal insider to use for a taxpayer funded business or maybe return it to the natives who they always reference as being the holders of that land. I think we are on to something here. Any other cost saving ideas?
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Catri wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 2:34 pm
Yeah, you didn't address the concerns of the CPC partisans who hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns and will basically hate everything he does and whinge about everything he doesn't do. It's futile to hit that group with actual facts, their partisanship will not allow them to see sense.
You seem to forget, or deliberately fail to acknowledge, that there’s literally tens of thousands of Canadians that hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns that aren’t CPC partisans in any way shape or form, many are disappointed and disillusioned Liberals, Dippers, Greens, BQ, or those with zero part affiliation… Some of whom post anti-Trudeau thoughts and opinions right here on this forum.. I guess it’s just easier for shallow thinkers to simply pigeon-hole everyone that speaks unkind words about the Trudeau Liberals as being CPC partisans.
Catri wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 2:34 pm
It's pretty hilarious to see CPC supporters insisting that there's something inherently evil about being wealthy.
I don’t believe anybody ever said that. But, intelligent people from every political persuasion and every walk of life fully understand that there’s a vast difference between the wealthy that earned their wealth through hard work and intelligence, and those that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and a trust fund. The former understand the value of their hard earned wealth, the latter cluelessly thinks their money simply grows on trees.
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Justin's pipeline in the middle of a multi-million dollar scandal.

Quelle surprise.

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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 9:04 am Justin's pipeline in the middle of a multi-million dollar scandal.

Quelle surprise.

https://energeticcity.ca/2021/11/30/alb ... -tmx-camps
Actually if you read the article, the problem isn't with the TMX contract, it is with how the Alberta Utilities Commission regulates being in conflict with reconciliation efforts and ATCO trying to stick Alberta electricity consumers with unrelated costs.

The first part is a Jason Kenney problem (but an understandable one given the changing landscape) , the second part is an ATCO problem and is unrelated to the TMX other than it is there where the costs were incurred.

BC first nations do get some soul source contracts in BC precisely from the perspective of providing economic options and building economic capacity within FNs. That's fine, and as it should be as we try to balance out a fair shake for them. That ATCO tried to transfer that onto bills for Alberta utility customers is the problem.

That his zero to do with Trudeau, and just shows how ridiculous the Trudeau bashers can be.
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