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Zoso wrote: Sep 22nd, 2021, 9:04 am Exactly , the government wont stop until they have complete control . If you cant see it , you deserve it.
Government is to damn stupid to be able shutdown black market, especially JT’s.
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GordonH wrote: Sep 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm

Government is to damn stupid to be able shutdown black market, especially JT’s.
Please explain how you shut down the black market.
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crookedmember wrote: Sep 23rd, 2021, 7:21 pm
GordonH wrote: Sep 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm

Government is to damn stupid to be able shutdown black market, especially JT’s.
Please explain how you shut down the black market.
Not for me to shut it down, government wants to remove assault weapons (guns). Not going to happen with black market.

They can’t even stop the huge amount of illegal drugs coming into Canada.
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So a old guy gets his guns seized during a wellness check...https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/v ... d=msedgntp
From the pic in the article, I can guess that of the 7 guns clearly visible, I'd put a value of at least $12,000 on them wholesale. They seized 174 guns from him- possibly all of his retirement savings. Possibly worth $200K-$400K or more for his 174 guns. A lot of people invest in antique guns as they usually go up steadily in value and are as good of a investment as gold, stocks etc.
I'm wondering if he has a advocate, family etc that can speak for him in this matter. If he doesn't, then I wonder if his estate will be properly managed by people that know the value of what was seized. And another thing....anything that was pre 1898 in certain calibers should have been left in his residence as they are not firearms and storage laws don't apply.
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oldtrucker wrote: Oct 12th, 2021, 12:05 pm So a old guy gets his guns seized during a wellness check...https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/v ... d=msedgntp
From the pic in the article, I can guess that of the 7 guns clearly visible, I'd put a value of at least $12,000 on them wholesale. They seized 174 guns from him- possibly all of his retirement savings. Possibly worth $200K-$400K or more for his 174 guns. A lot of people invest in antique guns as they usually go up steadily in value and are as good of a investment as gold, stocks etc.
I'm wondering if he has a advocate, family etc that can speak for him in this matter. If he doesn't, then I wonder if his estate will be properly managed by people that know the value of what was seized. And another thing....anything that was pre 1898 in certain calibers should have been left in his residence as they are not firearms and storage laws don't apply.
The guy is 76 and in poor mental and physical health. The cops took him to the hospital; do you think they could just leave 174 guns in the unattended house?

The guns were seized until this is sorted out.
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crookedmember wrote: Oct 12th, 2021, 2:04 pm do you think they could just leave 174 guns in the unattended house?
No....not the ones that are not antique and I do agree that to comply with the law the other non antique ones have to be locked up. I just hope that it gets handled correctly and in the old guys best interest...A person can have 500 guns out of the gun cabinet in their house at one time and as long as they are under direct control of the owner -its okay. But if that person has to leave the house then everything has to be locked up. Which leads me to thinking about what would happen if I were alone, had some guns out cleaning them or whatever, and had a medical emergency. If I'm able to call 911 but not able to get my stuff back into the cabinet, do I get my stuff seized?
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Yup continue to blame legal, law-abiding gun owners...go after the low hanging fruit rather than try and actually deal with the problem.

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Liberal failure to recognize the real issue on full display.

Liberal Failure: Ideology Ahead of Evidence-Based Solutions on Illegal Guns

When a former federal prosecutor was appointed Minister of Public Safety, we hoped it might finally bring a shred of common sense to the ministry.

If Marco Mendicino’s recent comments in the House of Commons weren’t enough to disabuse us of that notion, the appointment of Pam Damoff as the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety most certainly was.

Pam Damoff’s visceral hatred for federally-licensed, RCMP-vetted firearms owners is well documented, but her comments before the House on December 1, 2021, surprised us.

She said, in part,

“Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman, a young woman from Halton region, was shot and killed in an act of gender-based violence.”

Yes, but that is the tiniest part of the story. Here’s what Pam Damoff chose not to share with Canadians:

• An illegally possessed gun was used to murder Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman on Tuesday, July 28, 2020.

• Darnell Reid, her alleged killer, was the subject of three separate Firearm Prohibition Orders and at least three separate No-Contact Orders.[ii]

• Darnell Reid repeatedly violated those orders in the 12 months prior to Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman’s murder.

• Three separate weapons prohibition orders did not stop Darnell Reid from getting his hands on the illegal weapon he allegedly used to murder Henderson-Bellman.

• No law enforcement agency is tasked with checking on the 474,413 individuals currently prohibited from possessing firearms or other weapons.
[iii]

Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Diraiappah was distraught when he heard of Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman’s murder.[iv]

“The sadness I feel for the victim and her family is mixed with frustration for a complete failure of our justice system to protect her.

“This is such an egregious example of our justice system failing that young lady (and) failing our community. (Darnell Reid) was arrested for having a firearm and they let him back out again just recently. It’s unimaginable and so I want to continue advocating for bail reform.

“The Individual, who has now been charged with murder, breached his (bail) release on four different occasions… On the fifth, it was too late [for Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman].”

snip

We fear, given recent rhetoric from both Mendicino and Damoff, that Liberal ideology will continue to trump evidence, reason and common sense – and violent criminals will continue to harass and kill innocent Canadians with impunity.

snip

Please write Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino and encourage him to repair our bail system for repeat violent offenders, and to fix our broken Firearm Prohibition Order (FPO) system. Addressing these two problems will solve 95 per cent of Canada’s public safety issues.

snip

https://cssa-cila.org/liberal-failure-i ... egal-guns/
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I just deleted about 20 minutes of typing. Decided to just sum it up with....-The sooner western Canada gets out of confederation, the more of our way of life we will be able to save from the Liberal city people in Quebec and Ontario -that we have nothing in common with.
Still fuming about the CPC intentionally throwing the election....Who in their right mind backtracks on wiping the libs gun ban, watches their party plummet from having a small lead to falling 10 poll points within 24 hours of doing the backtrack....and not reversing the backtrack???? They threw it intentionally.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 8th, 2021, 6:20 am Liberal failure to recognize the real issue on full display.

Liberal Failure: Ideology Ahead of Evidence-Based Solutions on Illegal Guns

When a former federal prosecutor was appointed Minister of Public Safety, we hoped it might finally bring a shred of common sense to the ministry.

If Marco Mendicino’s recent comments in the House of Commons weren’t enough to disabuse us of that notion, the appointment of Pam Damoff as the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety most certainly was.

Pam Damoff’s visceral hatred for federally-licensed, RCMP-vetted firearms owners is well documented, but her comments before the House on December 1, 2021, surprised us.

She said, in part,

“Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman, a young woman from Halton region, was shot and killed in an act of gender-based violence.”

Yes, but that is the tiniest part of the story. Here’s what Pam Damoff chose not to share with Canadians:

• An illegally possessed gun was used to murder Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman on Tuesday, July 28, 2020.

• Darnell Reid, her alleged killer, was the subject of three separate Firearm Prohibition Orders and at least three separate No-Contact Orders.[ii]

• Darnell Reid repeatedly violated those orders in the 12 months prior to Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman’s murder.

• Three separate weapons prohibition orders did not stop Darnell Reid from getting his hands on the illegal weapon he allegedly used to murder Henderson-Bellman.

• No law enforcement agency is tasked with checking on the 474,413 individuals currently prohibited from possessing firearms or other weapons.
[iii]

Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Diraiappah was distraught when he heard of Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman’s murder.[iv]

“The sadness I feel for the victim and her family is mixed with frustration for a complete failure of our justice system to protect her.

“This is such an egregious example of our justice system failing that young lady (and) failing our community. (Darnell Reid) was arrested for having a firearm and they let him back out again just recently. It’s unimaginable and so I want to continue advocating for bail reform.

“The Individual, who has now been charged with murder, breached his (bail) release on four different occasions… On the fifth, it was too late [for Darian Hailey Henderson-Bellman].”

snip

We fear, given recent rhetoric from both Mendicino and Damoff, that Liberal ideology will continue to trump evidence, reason and common sense – and violent criminals will continue to harass and kill innocent Canadians with impunity.

snip

Please write Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino and encourage him to repair our bail system for repeat violent offenders, and to fix our broken Firearm Prohibition Order (FPO) system. Addressing these two problems will solve 95 per cent of Canada’s public safety issues.


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https://cssa-cila.org/liberal-failure-i ... egal-guns/
This case has failures at many levels, and ones that efforts are being made to correct. It is a complex story involving drugs, gangsta lifestyle, and many other factors. https://www.macleans.ca/news/five-shots ... em-failed/

The illegal firearms situation has police scrambling and there is little that politicians can do other than increase police capabilities, which they appear to be doing with more funding. https://www.cbc.ca/news/national-gun-tr ... -1.5126228


The overall problem with a judicial system and revolving doors is one that to be honest can only be solved by a constitutional change that would prevent namby-pamby nonsense by the courts. The answer to that is: fat chance. Plus the constitutional change would run the risk of creating a police state, so I don't think it could be done in good conscience.

If you look at the overall problem with illegal firearms is very complex, and simplistic nonsense and the abusing of tragic cases by gun advocates is offside. As is detailed in the CBC article, straw purchases and clandestine manufacturing are increasing problems. The spillover from the US - which is a country awash in guns and crazy dumb laisse faire laws - is pretty much inevitable. The real questions revolve around sub culture(s) that create the illegal market in the first place.

I won't pretend to have solutions for issues that drive people to addictive drugs. Certainly the push for more mental health care options will help. But the question why do people want to do drugs like heroin/fentanyl/meth is beyond my understanding.
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It's tough to combat illegal firearms when Justin Trudeau gives gangs money to buy them on the black market.


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Gun Control:

Do not follow Alec Baldwin's example. Do this, and we have perfect gun control.
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Michael Moore’s, short video of US gun history.
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^^^ Bit silly and not completely accurate I believe.
The American 2nd amendment I thought came about from having a strong militia would deter any country from invading. This being a right to bear arms or whatever.
In Canada it is still a privilege to own a firearm, much like pretty much every other country in the world. Unfortunately the baddies did not get the memo so the good guys are starting to take the brunt of governments ineptitude.
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seewood wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 2:47 pm In Canada it is still a privilege to own a firearm,
It should be a right for anyone that is over 21 and been a Canadian for 10 years to own a long gun.
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