Defund the CBC

Should we stop the taxpayers' bailout of CBC?

Yes, they need to make it on their own
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No, I want more coverage of Trudeau's socks
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Re: Defund the CBC

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Catsumi wrote: Dec 14th, 2021, 6:24 pm Have you tried to listen to CBC radio in the last 24 months??? All they do is yelp FEAR of covid, FEAR of unvaxxed, then on to mandated vaccinations, then back to next new variant of covid. Honestly, there is no end to it. No wonder there are peeps living in total fear of their neighbours, friends and general public.

Then mix into the above, praise for liberal malfeasance and denigration to any opposition.

Yeah, right. CBC doesn’t fearmonger. In a pig’s eye.
I have listened the past 24 months and I'm not hearing fearmongering, I'm hearing facts stated.

'Praise for liberal malfeasance' is off-the-wall absurd exaggeration. It sounds like the people who think the CBC is fearmongering are so far right-wing that they're practically falling off the right side of the flat Earth they believe in.
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Yabba Dabba BOO wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 11:54 am
I have listened the past 24 months and I'm not hearing fearmongering, I'm hearing facts stated.
You're not hearing "facts stated", you're hearing the leftist dribble that you want to hear, and that you believe are "facts". Huge difference.
'Praise for liberal malfeasance' is off-the-wall absurd exaggeration.
And yet it's still not as bad as saying that you are hearing "facts stated" on the CBC. Not even in the same galaxy.
It sounds like the people who think the CBC is fearmongering are so far right-wing that they're practically falling off the right side of the flat Earth they believe in.
And it sounds like the people who think that the CBC is "stating facts" are so far left-wing that they are being sucked up into the sky by the evil man-made climate change bogeyman they believe in.
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Yabba Dabba BOO wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 11:54 am I have listened the past 24 months and I'm not hearing fearmongering, I'm hearing facts stated.

'Praise for liberal malfeasance' is off-the-wall absurd exaggeration. It sounds like the people who think the CBC is fearmongering are so far right-wing that they're practically falling off the right side of the flat Earth they believe in.
The only people scared of the CBC are those who desperately cling to science-denying right wing safe spaces.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 12:07 pm And it sounds like the people who think that the CBC is "stating facts" are so far left-wing that they are being sucked up into the sky by the evil man-made climate change bogeyman they believe in.
99.9999% of people believe in the science that climate change and covid are both genuine problems that need to be mitigated.

It's not the CBC's fault that there are 2 people in the world who can't stand hearing excerpts from scientific studies.
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Hurtlander wrote: Sep 10th, 2020, 8:47 am Although the CBC has always been left leaning, I don’t believe historically that the CBC was politically partisan, just left. These days the CBC is very blatantly the politically partisan and biased propaganda wing of the Trudeau Liberals. There’s no question about it, Trudeau can do no wrong in the eyes of the CBC.
The CBC definitely had its place in Canadian history, for a very long time CBC radio and TV was the only option for much of rural Canada. However, now that those living in the most remote parts of Canada have access to satellite TV, radio and internet, the CBC needs to get off the government teat..
I used to listen to CBC radio in the 1970`s all the time. I really enjoyed Morning side with Peter Gzowski. I can`t recall now if the CBC was so political and partisan. Before satellite and the Internet, it was the only station in many small towns across northern Ontario. There were those little signs on the highway letting you know what frequency to tune into as you traveled. But over the last few decades I noticed that the CBC was changing. Many of the so called journalists started doing a lot of foreign stories and then started promoting people like David Suzuki. The last straw was when I caught Suzuki lying on his propaganda show"The Nature of things". I was pretty upset and offended by his lies and exaggerations. The CBC was created to bring Canadians together. To find common ground. But now that ideal has been abandoned. It is has become a radical leftist political partisan network that I can no longer endure. It is very sad that the CBC has just been voted the number one listened to station in Kelowna radio. To think listeners are being brainwashed by their content is quite disturbing.
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Yabba Dabba BOO wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 2:02 pm
99.9999% of people believe in the science that climate change and covid are both genuine problems that need to be mitigated.
I was responding to your comment that somehow right-wing people are going to fall off a flat earth. If you want to make silly comments like that I'm going to respond in kind about the man-made climate change myth you hold so dear.
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Mark5 wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 4:04 pm . The last straw was when I caught Suzuki lying on his propaganda show"The Nature of things". I was pretty upset and offended by his lies and exaggerations.
Care to share what the lie was about? I have lost count by now.
The CBC was created to bring Canadians together. To find common ground. But now that ideal has been abandoned. It is has become a radical leftist political partisan network that I can no longer endure. It is very sad that the CBC has just been voted the number one listened to station in Kelowna radio. To think listeners are being brainwashed by their content is quite disturbing.
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Well said.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 4:40 pm
Yabba Dabba BOO wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 2:02 pm
99.9999% of people believe in the science that climate change and covid are both genuine problems that need to be mitigated.
I was responding to your comment that somehow right-wing people are going to fall off a flat earth. If you want to make silly comments like that I'm going to respond in kind about the man-made climate change myth you hold so dear.
It's not a myth and I'm very thankful the CBC is so science-based and attempts to educate Canadians. It appears the education attempt has failed with a select few, but they weren't going to listen to anything they deemed "leftist" anyway.
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Trudeau's planting of beholden "journalists" via the “Local Journalism Initiative” funding is exposed.

This is worth a read. People likely know nothing about this.

Couple this with Trudeau's internet censorship bill, and it's a double whammy against independent journalism and freedom of expression.

The Growing Number of Canadian Journalists Who Are Funded by the Feds


The digital era upended industries and ideas, including the belief that there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Information was suddenly instant, infinite and without cost. Or seemingly so. As legacy news media declined or foundered altogether, the replacements struggled to create viable business models. Perhaps it was only a matter of time until agenda-driven organizations and governments stepped in to “lend a helping hand.” But what happens to “independence” when media are financially dependent on large organizations and journalists become wards of the state? Lifelong newspaperman, publisher and communications expert Peter Menzies explores the issue.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2021/12/the-growi ... -the-feds/
To me, that changes everything. If that’s a story paid for with my (and your) hard-earned tax dollars, and it’s being fed at government expense across the country into the Toronto Star and heaven knows how many other outlets, whether it’s journalism or activism is now my business, your business and probably Coastal GasLink’s business too. So I sent the aforementioned story around to a number of veteran newspaper people, collectively representing nearly 400 years spent working in the field, to get their professional assessment. They have a variety of worldviews and I am withholding their identities in case they ever want to apply for government funding. (I also reached out three times to the CAJ’s president, Brent Jolly, but failed to elicit a response.)

How, I asked them, would you assess this piece? Is it journalism? Here are their responses:

“No journalist has ever used the term ‘land defender’,” said one, “But I have been ranting for days about journalism which frankly deserves to die.”

“Seems a tad lacking in objectivity – loaded with loaded language,” said another.

“Reads like advocacy to me,” concluded a third. “Objectivity seems to be very much out of fashion.”

Another offered a more detailed judgment: “It is only journalism in the broadest sense of the word – the gathering of information for publication. Is it biased? Does it classify as advocacy journalism? Does it use heavily-loaded language in the headline? Does the writer even bother to challenge the chief? Can the reader even trust the author who is described as living on land wrongly taken? Answers: Yes. Yes. Yes. No. No.”

Still another saw the story’s flaws as an opportunity for constructive mentoring: “I would edit it as I saw fit before publication. Then I would speak to the reporter, hoping we can move forward.” And if those hopes were dashed, then perhaps this editor would encourage the journalist to consider another field of work.

“Skating pretty close to activism, no?” was another’s pithy observation.

Not everyone agreed, with one writing: “I’m no expert on this topic but this seems a relatively balanced account of the situation with all involved parties, with the notable exception of the elected band council members, represented in the piece.”

That was an outlying view among my correspondents, however. The reporter is lucky he didn’t have the following respondent for a boss: “Not only would I not run it, I’d tell the writer to seek employment elsewhere. It’s more a political statement than journalism.”
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Yabba Dabba BOO wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 8:15 pm
It's not a myth and I'm very thankful the CBC is so science-based
The CBC is the "flat earthers" of Canadian media, that the Left loves so much they may fall off the edge.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 16th, 2021, 7:03 am Trudeau's planting of beholden "journalists" via the “Local Journalism Initiative” funding is exposed.

This is worth a read. People likely know nothing about this.

Couple this with Trudeau's internet censorship bill, and it's a double whammy against independent journalism and freedom of expression.

The Growing Number of Canadian Journalists Who Are Funded by the Feds


The digital era upended industries and ideas, including the belief that there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Information was suddenly instant, infinite and without cost. Or seemingly so. As legacy news media declined or foundered altogether, the replacements struggled to create viable business models. Perhaps it was only a matter of time until agenda-driven organizations and governments stepped in to “lend a helping hand.” But what happens to “independence” when media are financially dependent on large organizations and journalists become wards of the state? Lifelong newspaperman, publisher and communications expert Peter Menzies explores the issue.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2021/12/the-growi ... -the-feds/
To me, that changes everything. If that’s a story paid for with my (and your) hard-earned tax dollars, and it’s being fed at government expense across the country into the Toronto Star and heaven knows how many other outlets, whether it’s journalism or activism is now my business, your business and probably Coastal GasLink’s business too. So I sent the aforementioned story around to a number of veteran newspaper people, collectively representing nearly 400 years spent working in the field, to get their professional assessment. They have a variety of worldviews and I am withholding their identities in case they ever want to apply for government funding. (I also reached out three times to the CAJ’s president, Brent Jolly, but failed to elicit a response.)

How, I asked them, would you assess this piece? Is it journalism? Here are their responses:

“No journalist has ever used the term ‘land defender’,” said one, “But I have been ranting for days about journalism which frankly deserves to die.”

“Seems a tad lacking in objectivity – loaded with loaded language,” said another.

“Reads like advocacy to me,” concluded a third. “Objectivity seems to be very much out of fashion.”

Another offered a more detailed judgment: “It is only journalism in the broadest sense of the word – the gathering of information for publication. Is it biased? Does it classify as advocacy journalism? Does it use heavily-loaded language in the headline? Does the writer even bother to challenge the chief? Can the reader even trust the author who is described as living on land wrongly taken? Answers: Yes. Yes. Yes. No. No.”

Still another saw the story’s flaws as an opportunity for constructive mentoring: “I would edit it as I saw fit before publication. Then I would speak to the reporter, hoping we can move forward.” And if those hopes were dashed, then perhaps this editor would encourage the journalist to consider another field of work.

“Skating pretty close to activism, no?” was another’s pithy observation.

Not everyone agreed, with one writing: “I’m no expert on this topic but this seems a relatively balanced account of the situation with all involved parties, with the notable exception of the elected band council members, represented in the piece.”

That was an outlying view among my correspondents, however. The reporter is lucky he didn’t have the following respondent for a boss: “Not only would I not run it, I’d tell the writer to seek employment elsewhere. It’s more a political statement than journalism.”
That's why the Communist Broadcasting Corporation is also referred to as Canada's Pravda.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 4:41 pm
Mark5 wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 4:04 pm . The last straw was when I caught Suzuki lying on his propaganda show"The Nature of things". I was pretty upset and offended by his lies and exaggerations.
Care to share what the lie was about? I have lost count by now.
The CBC was created to bring Canadians together. To find common ground. But now that ideal has been abandoned. It is has become a radical leftist political partisan network that I can no longer endure. It is very sad that the CBC has just been voted the number one listened to station in Kelowna radio. To think listeners are being brainwashed by their content is quite disturbing.
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Well said.
I cannot recall what this lie was. It was decades ago. He has been lying ever since. Has the CBC ever covered Dr. Jordan Peterson in a positive way? I cannot recall. I somehow doubt it. Peterson is a great Canadian. He should receive the Order of Canada but that is essentially a Liberal reward program where they all pat themselves on the back.
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revenue problem continues
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A parking lot barrier is seen at one of the studios in Halifax on Wednesday April 4, 2012. The Canadian Broadcasting corporation is axing 650 jobs in the wake of federal budget cuts. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew Vaughan
A parking lot barrier is seen at one of the studios in Halifax on Wednesday April 4, 2012. The Canadian Broadcasting corporation is axing 650 jobs in the wake of federal budget cuts. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew Vaughan
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Advertising revenues at the CBC fell again last year. According to Mother Corp’s annual report, recently tabled in Parliament, ad sales were down from $220 million in 2019 to just under $199 million in 2020, a drop of about 10% in one year.

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On top of that, CBC’s share of prime-time viewers fell by 2%, despite the fact locked-down Canadians watched more TV than ever before during the pandemic. At any given time during prime viewing hours (8 to 11 p.m.), just 5% of Canadians are watching our state broadcaster.

(By the way, the CBC hates it when I call them the state broadcaster. They insist they are a public broadcaster, not an arm of the government. But when you serve the interests of the government more than that of the public … well, you decide.)

Perhaps worse still (for CBC executives), the Ceeb’s share of 18- to 49-year-old viewers declines each year as the network’s average audience ages. Eighteen to 49-year-olds are the most coveted by advertisers because of their purchasing power and spending habits, and the CBC is largely irrelevant to them.

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Since 2014, the CBC’s income from TV ads has collapsed from $426 million to $199 million, a decline of 53% in just seven years.

Why?

The CBC blames the loss of NHL broadcasting rights to Rogers’ Sportsnet in 2014. Without the bright, shiny object of hockey coverage to entice sponsors, selling ads on the CBC’s “woke” comedies, mediocre dramas and sports only the players’ parents care about have become, um, difficult.

Former CBC executive vice-president, Richard Stursberg, is quoted by Blacklock’s Reporter explaining how Mother Corp used to hold out the carrot of advertising space during NHL broadcasts as a way to sell ads on its other, unappealing programming.

“If you would like to have hockey,” Strusberg claims the CBC would say to sponsors, “then you have to buy this dog over here that nobody wants.”

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Now, without hockey for the most part, the CBC is left with a kennel of mangy pooches. But I have another explanation for why the CBC can’t sell ads: No one’s watching, no one cares.

And maybe some people (like me) have also grown tired of having to pay monthly fees for streaming services that provide content we want to watch while at the same time subsidizing the CBC, which has basically become a streaming service with niche programming and biased news coverage for elite “progressives.”

Why should I have to pay for Netflix and AppleTV, DAZN for soccer and football, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Crave and others, then also chip in for CBC viewers’ favourite programming?

I also despise the coercion involved. If I don’t pay the monthly fees for my streaming service, I get cut off. However, if don’t pay my taxes to fund the CBC, I could end up being audited, fined or jailed.

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I can cancel at any time any subscription services that stop producing content that appeals to me. Yet the CBC hasn’t produced anything that appealed to me in decades and there is not a damned thing I can do about it.

I don’t watch CBC TV or listen to CBC Radio because I strenuously object not just to what is on those services, but also to the mandatory way Canadians are forced to pay.

(It is just as objectionable to make taxpayers subsidize newspaper and magazine publishers, although the scale of subsidy to mainstream media is nowhere near as large.)

So here’s a thought: Let’s stop keeping the CBC afloat with our tax dollars. At present, the Trudeau Liberals give the CBC a subsidy of $1.3 billion a year.

Too often that money goes to news coverage that helps keep the Liberals in office.
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Yabba Dabba BOO wrote: Dec 15th, 2021, 8:15 pm It's not a myth and I'm very thankful the CBC is so science-based and attempts to educate Canadians. It appears the education attempt has failed with a select few, but they weren't going to listen to anything they deemed "leftist" anyway.
It's a sad time for Canada when the CBC reporting facts and science is viewed as 'leftist propaganda'. At the rate that right wingers are sinking further into stupidity we may start seeing them argue that 2+2=4 is 'leftist' and 'against freedoms'.
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blueliner wrote: Dec 20th, 2021, 10:14 am

Too often that money goes to news coverage that helps keep the Liberals in office.
Yes, and therein lies the rub. There was a time, long ago I'm told, that the CBC concerned itself with reporting facts, and also concerned themselves with actual science. All of that got thrown out the window when the top brass, who is beholden to the government, decided to become a propaganda organ for the Left. Now it's just a complete trash organization.
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