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oldtrucker wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 3:12 pm It should be a right for anyone that is over 21 and been a Canadian for 10 years to own a long gun.
I understand that many believe this, but my opinion owning a fire arm, should still be a privilege after taking a course and the cursory back ground check the RCMP do. A driving license is a privilege after taking a course and a graduated process( today) before you are let out on a road unencumbered by restrictions.

It would not surprise me in the least if there are a number in rural Canada that have guns in the house but have a lapsed or not at all a PAL. I know there are many young turds in Vancouver and Toronto that have restricted weapons without the accompanying licenses.
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Gun control is here to stay in Canada, and more control is coming due to its overwhelming popularity and effectiveness. Few Canadians want to move towards the horrendous dumpster fire of school shootings and gun-assisted domestic violence plaguing our neighbour to the south.

More access to guns is a losing issue for any political party in Canada, as Mr. O'Toole found as he flip-flopped his way through the last campaign trying to appease the gun nuts, while not horrifying the vast majority.

Res ipsa loquitur.


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crookedmember wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 4:35 pm as Mr. O'Toole found as he flip-flopped his way through the last campaign trying to appease the gun nuts, while not horrifying the vast majority.
No, actually he would have won had he not flipped flopped.
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crookedmember wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 4:35 pm Gun control is here to stay in Canada, and more control is coming due to its overwhelming popularity and effectiveness. Few Canadians want to move towards the horrendous dumpster fire of school shootings and gun-assisted domestic violence plaguing our neighbour to the south.

More access to guns is a losing issue for any political party in Canada, as Mr. O'Toole found as he flip-flopped his way through the last campaign trying to appease the gun nuts, while not horrifying the vast majority.

Res ipsa loquitur.


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You would be wise to learn a whole lot more about the subject before spouting off.
Criminals with illegal firearms are the problem, so what do the brain trust (Liberals) do ?
They go after licensed, vetted, legal, law abiding firearms owners. At the same time they are abolishing minimum sentencing for firearm related crimes.
Perhaps you can explain how that makes sense, any sense at all, no hurry, I'll wait.

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In your own words, so we know that you have read and understood the existing firearm regulation in Canada:
a) Describe the steps required to obtain and possess a non-restricted firearm, and the description of a non-restricted firearm
b) Describe the steps required to obtain and possess a restricted firearm, and the description of a restricted firearm
c) Describe the steps required to obtain and possess a prohibited firearm, and the description of a prohibited firearm
d) A review of the regulation regarding the use, transportation, and storage of a, b, c
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crookedmember wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 4:35 pm and more control is coming due to its overwhelming...effectiveness.
You're absolutely right. More gun laws have been super-effective. They've prevented gang-related shootings in Kelowna, Surrey, Coquitlam, and Richmond. They've been just as effective as our drug laws have been at stemming the illicit trade in narcotics.
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crookedmember wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 4:35 pm Gun control is here to stay in Canada, and more control is coming due to its overwhelming popularity and effectiveness. Few Canadians want to move towards the horrendous dumpster fire of school shootings and gun-assisted domestic violence plaguing our neighbour to the south.

More access to guns is a losing issue for any political party in Canada, as Mr. O'Toole found as he flip-flopped his way through the last campaign trying to appease the gun nuts, while not horrifying the vast majority.

Res ipsa loquitur.


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Gun control laws have had absolutely zero effect on the area gangs and criminals get their choice of guns, the black market.
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The gun ban advocates just remind me of the three monkeys with their hands over their mouth, eyes, and ears.

All the logical reasons why gang shootings continue with illegal guns, falls on deaf ears and eyes.

The A-hat that orders and kills 6 in the apartment building a number of years ago; I really doubt if the guns used were licensed, legally obtained, legally stored or if the dickwads had obtained a conveying permit to transport the guns from their residence to the apartment.
Just some of the things LAW abiding gun owners recognize and respect or they will have consequences they don't want to face.
Maybe respect for the law so they can carry on with their hobby or sport or passion...
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seewood wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 8:21 pm The gun ban advocates just remind me of the three monkeys with their hands over their mouth, eyes, and ears.

All the logical reasons why gang shootings continue with illegal guns, falls on deaf ears and eyes.

The A-hat that orders and kills 6 in the apartment building a number of years ago; I really doubt if the guns used were licensed, legally obtained, legally stored or if the dickwads had obtained a conveying permit to transport the guns from their residence to the apartment.
Just some of the things LAW abiding gun owners recognize and respect or they will have consequences they don't want to face.
Maybe respect for the law so they can carry on with their hobby or sport or passion...
Trudope is virtue signaling to the ill informed.
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These "illegal gang guns" you guys speak of are simply guns stolen during home or store break-ins and whatnot.

Or do you think these "illegal guns" just appear out of nowhere?

The more guns in homes, the more guns get stolen, the more "illegal guns."

This isn't rocket science.

But don't worry. Your chance of getting shot in Canada is really, really low. Gang members don't want to shoot you.

If your spouse had a gun, he or she might, though.
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seewood wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 8:21 pm The gun ban advocates just remind me of the three monkeys with their hands over their mouth, eyes, and ears.

All the logical reasons why gang shootings continue with illegal guns, falls on deaf ears and eyes.

The A-hat that orders and kills 6 in the apartment building a number of years ago; I really doubt if the guns used were licensed, legally obtained, legally stored or if the dickwads had obtained a conveying permit to transport the guns from their residence to the apartment.
Just some of the things LAW abiding gun owners recognize and respect or they will have consequences they don't want to face.
Maybe respect for the law so they can carry on with their hobby or sport or passion...
Trudope is virtue signaling to the ill informed.
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crookedmember wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 9:42 pm These "illegal gang guns" you guys speak of are simply guns stolen during home or store break-ins and whatnot.

Or do you think these "illegal guns" just appear out of nowhere?

The more guns in homes, the more guns get stolen, the more "illegal guns."

This isn't rocket science.

But don't worry. Your chance of getting shot in Canada is really, really low. Gang members don't want to shoot you.

If your spouse had a gun, he or she might, though.
You don't understand the issue at all.

Most guns used in crimes are illegal to own in Canada (even with a PAL). Most guns used in crimes are smuggled into Canada.

Look up the topic first, you couldn't be more wrong.
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Sparki55 wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 9:59 pm You don't understand the issue at all.
...and that's the crux of the issue when trying to discuss with the anti-gun snowflakes. They think that making things illegal will stop criminals. They lack the grey matter to even recognize their own cognitive dissonance.
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36Drew wrote: Jan 19th, 2022, 1:28 am
Sparki55 wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 9:59 pm You don't understand the issue at all.
...and that's the crux of the issue when trying to discuss with the anti-gun snowflakes. They think that making things illegal will stop criminals. They lack the grey matter to even recognize their own cognitive dissonance.
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crookedmember wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 9:42 pm These "illegal gang guns" you guys speak of are simply guns stolen during home or store break-ins and whatnot.

Or do you think these "illegal guns" just appear out of nowhere?

The more guns in homes, the more guns get stolen, the more "illegal guns."

This isn't rocket science.

But don't worry. Your chance of getting shot in Canada is really, really low. Gang members don't want to shoot you.

If your spouse had a gun, he or she might, though.


So wrong.

But that's the Trudeau narrative, the one that McKenna spilled when she was boozed up: "Tell a lie, keep repeating it louder and louder, and eventually people totally believe you."

Run for the border: Guns smuggled from U.S. land on Toronto’s streets


Summary
While getting a gun legally can take months, finding a gun on the streets can take mere hours
In 2020, approximately 85 per cent of all handguns seized by Toronto police were tracked back to the U.S.
5 of the top source states for crime guns into Ontario intersect Interstate 75 - route many Canadians take to Florida

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By and large, the guns found on the streets aren’t stolen or purchased from stores or even from legal gun owners, but rather smuggled in over the border.

“They’re being smuggled in because people that want to possess them do not register firearms. They are criminal, the criminal entity of the city, mainly gangs, but there are illegal firearms that are much easier to acquire from the United States,” explains Insp. Joe Matthews, who heads up Toronto police’s guns and gangs unit.

In 2020, approximately 85 per cent of all handguns seized by Toronto police were traced back to the U.S.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/ ... r-toronto/
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36Drew wrote: Jan 19th, 2022, 1:28 am
Sparki55 wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 9:59 pm You don't understand the issue at all.
...and that's the crux of the issue when trying to discuss with the anti-gun snowflakes. They think that making things illegal will stop criminals. They lack the grey matter to even recognize their own cognitive dissonance.
That's a lot of words for stamping your feet and proclaiming that you're right dammit and anyone who isn't convinced by your argument is dumb. It's typical of people who are on the losing side of an argument to dismiss their opposition with name-calling and claiming that they're incapable of understanding, when really they just disagree with you.

I understand the issue. I grew up with guns in the house. I took a gun handling course in a public school when I was 13. I get that shooting is fun, hunting is fun and productive. I totally reject the idea that anyone in Canada needs a gun for self defence (and truly, our laws have always reflected that), and furthermore think that's a dangerous path to go down. I don't think banning all guns is necessary, nor do I think doing so would eliminate gun crime, but I think that some firearms lift right out and plenty of other alternatives are available. The go-to argument that the criminals who really want guns will always be able to access them has a grain of truth, but the thing that the pro-gun crowd can never overcome is the simple, common sense fact that fewer guns = less gun violence. Less gun ownership and rigorous gun acquisition requirements mean fewer accidental shootings, handling accidents and fewer irresponsible people who have no business owning guns, owning guns. Ironically, one of the things that works against the pro-gun lobby in this country, imo, is the success of the gun industry in the USA and the frightening example of what unfettered gun ownership looks like. That many of the crime-related guns come to this country from the states only reinforces the argument that their gun policies are an extreme example of messed-up and we're best not to move in that direction at all. That guns are illegally imported isn't a gun control issue, it's a border control issue.

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