Alberta

[The Green Barbarian]

Battle lines drawn, the teachers are ready for war with the UCP


https://mydigimag.rrd.com/publication/? ... &ver=html5

Thanks for posting this - just another great example of why the union industrial model doesn't work for public education. Unionized teachers are bad for everyone, including teachers.

[rustled]

Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism.

Yes, by now we're all aware of your propensity to displace responsibility for negative outcomes due to decades of neoliberal policy to so-called progressive policies.

The topic isn't "what rustled always does that 'we' don't like", Ka-El. Maybe try not to make it about me and what you think of me.

This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta! - displace responsibility by accusing someone else of displacing responsibility. Pretend it's all someone else's fault. Ignore how this applies, in reality, to how we got to where we are today, including in Alberta:

More and more people are coming to realize we are not going to solve or even effectively address the problems facing us today using the same kind of thinking that created them.

Fewer people are accepting the "save the planet from climate change" narrative promulgated by emotional, feel-good progressivism, Albertans included.

More and more people in Alberta and elsewhere are jaded by the manipulation, and are turning back toward what YzzzR1 referred to as more pragmatic, calculated progressivism.

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.

[Pappywinkle]

This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta!

I'd say especially in Alberta, given how easily Albertan voters are manipulated by right parties to believe provincial governments control global oil prices and the constant hatred for Quebec. Thankfully Albertan voters have realized how terrible Kenney's UCP has been for Albertan families and will surely give them the boot to return to prosperous days of NDP governance.

[foenix]

More and more people in Alberta and elsewhere are jaded by the manipulation, and are turning back toward what YzzzR1 referred to as more pragmatic, calculated progressivism.
.

....and what exactly is that, again? Can you give us one example of this pragmatic calculated progressivism?

[The Green Barbarian]

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.

Well said.

And yet another thread gets sucked into the nonsensical "neo-liberalism" pit of hell. This is supposed to be a thread about Alberta, so I'll try and lug this back on topic from the usual suspect thread derailers...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-ne ... among-kids

Good job in working to get these vax rates up!

[PoplarSoul]

Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism.

Yes, by now we're all aware of your propensity to displace responsibility for negative outcomes due to decades of neoliberal policy to so-called progressive policies. This is a very popular strategy from the far right but more and more people are starting to see through this facade as well.

Well said.

[PoplarSoul]

This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta!

I'd say especially in Alberta, given how easily Albertan voters are manipulated by right parties to believe provincial governments control global oil prices and the constant hatred for Quebec. Thankfully Albertan voters have realized how terrible Kenney's UCP has been for Albertan families and will surely give them the boot to return to prosperous days of NDP governance.

Well said.

[foenix]

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.

Well said.

And yet another thread gets sucked into the nonsensical "neo-liberalism" pit of hell. This is supposed to be a thread about Alberta, so I'll try and lug this back on topic from the usual suspect thread derailers...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-ne ... among-kids

Good job in working to get these vax rates up!

That's precious

......and why do you think Alberta has one of the lowest vax rates and overall response?.......you think it might be the leadership?......

Premier Kenney vows Alberta will not mandate COVID-19 vaccinations

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pr ... ccinations

'I apologize': Kenney says Alta. wrong for COVID-19 pandemic to endemic shift, not sorry for Open for Summer plan

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/i-apologize ... -1.5587497

Ontario needs to take the lessons of the Alberta catastrophe seriously

https://www.tvo.org/article/ontario-nee ... -seriously

[captkirkcanada]

AMA has “endorsed the decriminalization of drug use and possession of substances for personal use,” (a motion from AMA Representative Forum). This is an important, ongoing conversation.

Alberta Medical Association

interesting changes in alberta on the horizon

[The Green Barbarian]

That's precious

I know eh? Well done Alberta, you guys rock!! It really would be stupid to try and spin this good news to the negative, especially if it was done in some way to benefit the horrid and awful NDP. Keep up the fantastic work Albertans!

[Ka-El]

This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta! -

Since you consistently refuse to specifically identify any of these public policies formed by “feel-good progressivism” I’ll just have to take a guess. If you’re talking about the carbon tax I was opposed to that from the beginning when it was first introduced in this province by then premier, Gordon Campbell, and when the usual hypocrites who are against it now were making excuses for and supporting it for purely partisan motive. Like any consumption tax, this regressive tax places a disproportionate burden on low and middle income earners, and with this tax in particular also unfairly targets rural over urban consumers. It also allows those who can afford to pollute to continue polluting and large energy corporations simply see it as a cost of doing business that they can pass to the consumer. There is very little that is progressive about this policy.

Pretend it's all someone else's fault. Ignore how this applies, in reality, to how we got to where we are today,

We’ve been getting this from you and the other far right posters here for years and its still your go-to deflection. Ignore the negative outcomes of decades of neoliberal policy and blame it on progressivism. It is your modus operandi.

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.

You overestimate the importance of our discussion board. It would be delusional to think we are manipulating Albertans into supporting anything. I know through family and friends that contractors and trades people in Alberta (particularly Calgary where I am from) are very grateful for the capital projects Notley committed to and that many people regret falling for his emotional neoliberal, anti-NDP rhetoric in the last election. I would also guess from the current polling (there is only one poll that counts) it is unlikely they will be making the same mistake again. Most Albertans see Kenny’s government as both incompetent and corrupt, and many are more than willing (eager even) to give Notley another shot. We’ll see.

[rustled]

This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta! -

Since you consistently refuse to specifically identify any of these public policies formed by “feel-good progressivism” I’ll just have to take a guess.

I've consistently responded to your silly request with the same answer - the vast majority of our public policy over the past few decades has been increasingly influenced by progressivism. Pretending otherwise is silly. Demanding specifics is silly - although I've provided them in the past only to have the same folk continue to insist I've never provided them. Makes me laugh.

While the progressive influence has been less in Alberta, it's still been the case that the majority of public policy change over the past few decades has been progressive - a great deal of it around "save the planet from climate change", and social justice issues related to farming practices. Pretending otherwise is silly.

Pretend it's all someone else's fault. Ignore how this applies, in reality, to how we got to where we are today,

We’ve been getting this from you and the other far right posters here for years and its still your go-to deflection. Ignore the negative outcomes of decades of neoliberal policy and blame it on progressivism. It is your modus operandi.

What's interesting is that while I say progressive policies have contributed, I've never tried to blame it all on progressive policy - I've been pretty consistent in pointing out that human nature and opportunists of all sorts are involved, exploiting whatever opportunities are presented, all of which contributes to the outcome. But enough about rustled!

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.

You overestimate the importance of our discussion board. It would be delusional to think we are manipulating Albertans into supporting anything.

Ok, that just made me laugh. You seem to be taking what I said to mean you, personally, won't find it as easy to manipulate Albertans. I was speaking in far more general and terms, but if the shoe fits...

I know through family and friends that contractors and trades people in Alberta (particularly Calgary where I am from) are very grateful for the capital projects Notley committed to and that many people regret falling for his emotional neoliberal, anti-NDP rhetoric in the last election. I would also guess from the current polling (there is only one poll that counts) it is unlikely they will be making the same mistake again. Most Albertans see Kenny’s government as both incompetent and corrupt, and many are more than willing (eager even) to give Notley another shot. We’ll see.

As a generalization, Calgarians do tend to think differently, in my experience - urban/rural differences. And yes, we shall see!

[The Green Barbarian]

I know through family and friends that contractors and trades people in Alberta (particularly Calgary where I am from) are very grateful for the capital projects Notley committed to and that many people regret falling for his emotional neoliberal, anti-NDP rhetoric in the last election. I would also guess from the current polling (there is only one poll that counts) it is unlikely they will be making the same mistake again. Most Albertans see Kenny’s government as both incompetent and corrupt, and many are more than willing (eager even) to give Notley another shot. We’ll see.

So weird that all family and friends in my world from Calgary have exactly the opposite experience - they can't recall what these fabled "capital projects" that Notley committed to, but they are seeing actual private projects finally being approved now that adults who understand basic concepts regarding project economics etc are in power again. Tough to get a big capital project approved when the guy across the table was pouring mocha lattes only two weeks earlier, and had never figured out how to work the cash register at his coffee shop before being elected.

As for Jason Kenney have "neo-liberal" policies (lol lol) what a crock of manure. There wasn't much need for the UCP to use anti-NDP "rhetoric", the NDP sank their own boat by just being terrible at governing. There are few who want to give Notley and her gang of Chavez-istas another "shot", as they'd already seen enough of the sheer incompetence that you would expect from an army of baristas turned politicians. Alberta is booming again, and while the UCP can't really take credit for the market forces at work, they can take credit for letting private enterprise flourish without putting two hands around the neck of the golden goose, something the NDP always has a hard time doing.

[Ka-El]

I've consistently responded to your silly request with the same answer - the vast majority of our public policy over the past few decades has been increasingly influenced by progressivism.

That is so vague it is meaningless.

You seem to be taking what I said to mean you, personally, won't find it as easy to manipulate Albertans. I was speaking in far more general and terms, but if the shoe fits...

And yet that is not at all what I implied. You simply can't take responsibility for anything you post. Easier to deflect or come up with some deliberate misrepresentation.

[vegas1500]

This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta!

I'd say especially in Alberta, given how easily Albertan voters are manipulated by right parties to believe provincial governments control global oil prices and the constant hatred for Quebec. Thankfully Albertan voters have realized how terrible Kenney's UCP has been for Albertan families and will surely give them the boot to return to prosperous days of NDP governance.

“Prosperous days of NDP” Thanks, I needed a laugh today

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