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Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm
rustled wrote: I've consistently responded to your silly request with the same answer - the vast majority of our public policy over the past few decades has been increasingly influenced by progressivism.
That is so vague it is meaningless.
Well, I've used the analogy before - gravity contributes to how stuff end up where it ends up. Those who expect more specificity are always people who would rather not acknowledge how progressivism has contributed to our current socioeconomic situation, in Alberta or elsewhere. And as usual, it's a way of taking the thread off topic.
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You seem to be taking what I said to mean you, personally, won't find it as easy to manipulate Albertans. I was speaking in far more general and terms, but if the shoe fits...
And yet that is not at all what I implied. You simply can't take responsibility for anything you post. Easier to deflect or come up with some deliberate misrepresentation.
Surely you've already posted enough about me. (What a strange fixation.)
:topic: If I've misinterpreted what you meant to imply, then perhaps you'll take some responsibility and explain to all of us what you really meant to imply when you wrote this:
Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 4:15 pmYou overestimate the importance of our discussion board. It would be delusional to think we are manipulating Albertans into supporting anything.
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm
rustled wrote: I've consistently responded to your silly request with the same answer - the vast majority of our public policy over the past few decades has been increasingly influenced by progressivism.
That is so vague it is meaningless.
You seem to be taking what I said to mean you, personally, won't find it as easy to manipulate Albertans. I was speaking in far more general and terms, but if the shoe fits...
And yet that is not at all what I implied. You simply can't take responsibility for anything you post. Easier to deflect or come up with some deliberate misrepresentation.
Well said.

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rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:18 pm
Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm

That is so vague it is meaningless.
Well, I've used the analogy before - gravity contributes to how stuff end up where it ends up. Those who expect more specificity are always people who would rather not acknowledge how progressivism has contributed to our current socioeconomic situation, in Alberta or elsewhere. And as usual, it's a way of taking the thread off topic.
Ka-El wrote:
And yet that is not at all what I implied. You simply can't take responsibility for anything you post. Easier to deflect or come up with some deliberate misrepresentation.
Surely you've already posted enough about me. (What a strange fixation.)
:topic: If I've misinterpreted what you meant to imply, then perhaps you'll take some responsibility and explain to all of us what you really meant to imply when you wrote this:
Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 4:15 pmYou overestimate the importance of our discussion board. It would be delusional to think we are manipulating Albertans into supporting anything.



As usual, well said, rustled.
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm
rustled wrote: I've consistently responded to your silly request with the same answer - the vast majority of our public policy over the past few decades has been increasingly influenced by progressivism.
That is so vague it is meaningless.
You seem to be taking what I said to mean you, personally, won't find it as easy to manipulate Albertans. I was speaking in far more general and terms, but if the shoe fits...
And yet that is not at all what I implied. You simply can't take responsibility for anything you post. Easier to deflect or come up with some deliberate misrepresentation.
Well said Ka-El and to the crux of the matter......just more excuses and more of the tired and untrue "i've explained in the past" deflections.
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rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:18 pm If I've misinterpreted what you meant to imply, then perhaps you'll take some responsibility and explain to all of us what you really meant to imply when you wrote this:
Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 4:15 pmYou overestimate the importance of our discussion board. It would be delusional to think we are manipulating Albertans into supporting anything.
I simply responded to your post inferring someone was manipulating Albertans. If I've misinterpreted what you meant to imply, then perhaps you'll take some responsibility and explain to all of us what you really meant to imply when you wrote this:
rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:10 pm Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 26th, 2022, 11:42 am
rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 5:18 pm If I've misinterpreted what you meant to imply, then perhaps you'll take some responsibility and explain to all of us what you really meant to imply when you wrote this:
  • "You overestimate the importance of our discussion board. It would be delusional to think we are manipulating Albertans into supporting anything."
I simply responded to your post inferring someone was manipulating Albertans.
If I've misinterpreted what you meant to imply, then perhaps you'll take some responsibility and explain to all of us what you really meant to imply when you wrote this:
rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:10 pm Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.
I wasn't merely inferring "someone has been manipulating Albertans". Implying and inferring is for those who prefer not to come right out and say what they mean - a rather pointless tactic, IMO.

I've been quite clear in stating manipulative messaging HAS been employed by governments and activists and ideologues to promote support for their agendas - in Alberta and elsewhere. If anyone prefers to pretend otherwise, that's their prerogative.

Albertans, like the rest of us, are becoming more aware of how emotional, feel-good "thinking" has been used to manipulate people into supporting public policies pitched to "save the planet from climate change", etc., too many of which have turned out to be all hat, no cattle.

Seems likely Albertans, like the rest of us, are capable of seeing the messaging around "save the planet from neo-liberalism" is all-hat-no-cattle, too.
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rustled wrote: Jan 26th, 2022, 12:45 pm I've been quite clear in stating manipulative messaging HAS been employed by governments and activists and ideologues to promote support for their agendas - in Alberta and elsewhere. If anyone prefers to pretend otherwise, that's their prerogative.
This is definitely true of the disastrously incompetent UCP under crooked Kenney, which is yet another reason his disgusting party will be kicked to the curb in the next election.
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ATB Financial is Alberta’s most important financial asset. Founded in 1938 under a Social Credit government during the Great Economic Depression ATB is North America’s most important public bank with over $47.673 billion in assets, 6 times larger than then the only other public bank in North America, the Bank of North Dakota and 3.6 times larger than Servus Credit Union in Alberta (with $14.2 billion in assets). What does it mean to have our own public bank?
ATB Financial does not pay any federal or provincial income tax. This is because ATB Financial is an asset of the Government of Alberta and is exempt from paying income taxes. No other bank in Canada such benefits. ATB Financial is required to pay a levy in lieu of not paying taxes. For the three months ended June 30, 2016 ATB Financial paid the Government of Alberta (Minister of Finance) a mere $7,466 for payment in lieu of taxes.
Alberta currently contributes over 27% of Canada’s Greenhouse Gas emissions imposing an unfunded carbon liability on the planet. This liability does not appear on Alberta’s books or on the books of petroleum companies. The reason it goes unaccounted on the public accounts of Alberta is because governments operate without a balance sheet of the total wealth or assets of a province, municipality or nation. This is a bizarre blind spot in public accounting.
Today Alberta is running an enormous financial deficit in excess of $10 billion. From what you’ve learned about ATB Financial now you can see that running a deficit by government is completely unnecessary given that it actually has the power to create its own credit through the same powers of fractional reserve lending as other banks. Alberta also has another crown jewel called AIMCo for Alberta investment management Corporation. this financial institution has over $90 billion under management the legacy of the Alberta heritage fund was which was established with oil and gas royalties beginning in the 1970s under Peter Lougheed. The potential capacity of this incredible financial institution combined with AIMCo means of Alberta has well over $133 billion in financial assets and investment equity that is the envy of all of Canada. In fact the combined assets of these two Alberta financial institutions is almost half the size of the entire Canadian pension plan which is estimated at roughly $278 billion.
If Alberta had a proper balance sheet it would show an unfunded liability associated with Alberta’s carbon emissions of 274 megatonnes of CO2 emissions (2014) at value of at least $13.7 billion. That is based on pricing carbon at $50/tCO2, which is a conservative figure compared to what countries like Sweden and Norway are currently pricing carbon, where carbon pricing ranges from $93/tCO2 to $220/tCO2, respectively. Alberta’s emissions represented 37.4% of Canada’s total emissions of 733 megatonnes in 2014.
https://anielski.com/atb-financial-albe ... g-economy/


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captkirkcanada wrote: Jan 27th, 2022, 8:43 am
If Alberta had a proper balance sheet it would show an unfunded liability associated with Alberta’s carbon emissions of 274 megatonnes of CO2 emissions (2014) at value of at least $13.7 billion. That is based on pricing carbon at $50/tCO2, which is a conservative figure compared to what countries like Sweden and Norway are currently pricing carbon, where carbon pricing ranges from $93/tCO2 to $220/tCO2, respectively. Alberta’s emissions represented 37.4% of Canada’s total emissions of 733 megatonnes in 2014.
This entire paragraph is abject nonsense. Now the evil sky genie adherents want to create liabilities on balance sheets to honor their false deity. What a load of total and utter garbage. For shame that these foolish imbeciles think they can lecture others on liabilities, especially non-existent liabilities like this one, completely invented in the fevered imaginations of low-functioning fools.
how alberta can dig itself out of its tar sand hole it is now in

No one knows what a "tar sand hole" is - this comment is just silly. Alberta is doing great right now, and thank goodness for that!
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The UCP under corrupt Kenney are doign such a terrible job that doctors and teachers are considering leaving the UCP dumpster fire. The UCP has been absolutely disastrous for Albertan families.
Alberta doctors, teachers express interest in leaving the province

New numbers show Alberta could be facing a new kind of brain drain, with doctors and teachers saying they want to work outside of the province.

The Alberta Teachers’ Association has been conducting what it calls “pulse surveys” throughout the pandemic.

The latest edition saw nearly a third of about 1,300 members saying they expect they will not be teaching in Alberta come the next school year.

Nearly one in six, or 16.4 per cent, of respondents said they will have retired by next year. One in seven — 14.3 per cent — planned to leave teaching to join another profession. Nearly seven per cent of respondents said they would be leaving Alberta to teach in another location.

“When you talk to teachers as to why, (they say it is) the lack of response that is clear from the government around COVID,” said ATA president Jason Schilling.

He said teachers reported being frustrated they still had not received rapid test kits or medical masks.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8541449/albe ... ain-drain/
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Pappywinkle wrote: Jan 27th, 2022, 10:19 am The UCP has been absolutely disastrous for Albertan families.
:smt045 Most Albertans can hardly wait for the next election.
Alberta NDP continues to lead UCP in voter support

The Alberta NDP led by Rachel Notley continues to lead the ruling UCP led by Premier Jason Kenney in popularity among voters, according to polling data released Thursday by Angus Reid.

The poll suggests roughly two-in-five Albertans, or 42 per cent, would vote for the NDP compared to roughly three-in-10, or 31 per cent for the UCP.

The Wildrose Independence Party has 16 per cent support, followed by the Alberta Party at eight per cent and the Liberals at one per cent.

The NDP have led the UCP in terms of voter intention since March 2021, according to the Angus Reid poll done every three months, and the gap has remained somewhat steady since June 2021.

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https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-ndp- ... -1.5748115
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 27th, 2022, 10:39 am

:smt045 Most Albertans can hardly wait for the next election.
Yup - to re-elect the UCP. :up: :130:
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