All Things Trudeau, Chapter 2

[Ka-El]

More extremist right-wing hyperbole and fear mongering.

You have never lived in an authoritarian country under a dictatorship and you have no idea how it all slowly and gradually happens. One day you wake up and the country is already different.

And what authoritarian regime have you lived under? Certainly in the study of the rise of fascist regimes we often see anarchy and chaos as a precursor, and knowing that makes the agenda of the current right disinformation campaign all that much more clear. The temporary measures of the EMA are intended to protect our democracy - although I'm sure those blinded by hate for Trudeau will decide to refuse to see that.

[rustled]

You have never lived in an authoritarian country under a dictatorship and you have no idea how it all slowly and gradually happens. One day you wake up and the country is already different.

And what authoritarian regime have you lived under? Certainly in the study of the rise of fascist regimes we often see anarchy and chaos as a precursor, and knowing that makes the agenda of the current right disinformation campaign all that much more clear. The temporary measures of the EMA are intended to protect our democracy - although I'm sure those blinded by hate for Trudeau will decide to refuse to see that.

Using the EA to stomp on dissent against the government isn't protecting our democracy - rather, it is using the EA to protect our government from our dissent. It is, rather clearly, disinformation to suggest otherwise.

[foenix]

And what authoritarian regime have you lived under? Certainly in the study of the rise of fascist regimes we often see anarchy and chaos as a precursor, and knowing that makes the agenda of the current right disinformation campaign all that much more clear. The temporary measures of the EMA are intended to protect our democracy - although I'm sure those blinded by hate for Trudeau will decide to refuse to see that.

Using the EA to stomp on dissent against the government isn't protecting our democracy - rather, it is using the EA to protect our government from our dissent. It is, rather clearly, disinformation to suggest otherwise.

After 4 weeks of the illegal protest causing numerous disruption to the citizens of Ottawa, a huge economic loss for Canada and the provincial and the municipal authorities ineffective and paralyzed, any right thinking Canadians would think that JT did the right thing by bringing in the EA........and it's disinformation to say otherwise and clear evidence of further trying to divide the country.

[Ka-El]

Using the EA to stomp on dissent against the government isn't protecting our democracy - rather, it is using the EA to protect our government from our dissent. It is, rather clearly, disinformation to suggest otherwise.

Tell that to the real ordinary Canadians who have been desperately waiting for this hostage situation and 24/7 sonic assault to come to an end and finally be able to go for a walk in their own community.

[Jlabute]

You have never lived in an authoritarian country under a dictatorship and you have no idea how it all slowly and gradually happens. One day you wake up and the country is already different.

And what authoritarian regime have you lived under?

Thank goodness for history.

Certainly in the study of the rise of fascist regimes we often see anarchy and chaos as a precursor, and knowing that makes the agenda of the current right disinformation campaign all that much more clear. The temporary measures of the EMA are intended to protect our democracy - although I'm sure those blinded by hate for Trudeau will decide to refuse to see that.

That is how it worked in Germany against the Jews. Those peaceful Jews, man, such anarchy. Any anarchy and chaos was from the fascists. The police would come in to your home and confiscate items of value and money. They falsely proclaimed a debt and persecuted accordingly. The gradual persecution took everyone by surprise until the moment it became unescapable. This created an instant population with no security, and security today is a basic entitlement guaranteed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations in 1948.

Has your freedom been hurt too much KL? Will you be alright? For someone who claims to be in the ‘center’ I am surprised you can’t see the journalists all over the world denouncing Trudeau.

[DataCruncher]

"Keep cheering this Government on, and one day a different Canadian Government will adopt similar methods against groups who oppose them. Because if we allow Trudeau to normalize this kind of Government overreach, future Governments WILL do the same."

And that future government is a 'world government', just as they have proclaimed and intended for so long.
I think it was G.W.B. Sr. who first stated it on national television. Others have too, many of them, over and over again.
Were they just clowning around? Just a new buzz word? Think not. In fact, when they speak, they aren't speaking to us, they are broadcasting to each other.

Anyone recall the slogan 'never let a good crisis go to waste' ?
It flew over the heads of many; still does.

I predict, that in the future, if a small 'fringe group' were to take to the streets of Ottawa again (such as the truckers did) in outrage of finding out that this country was subverted / infiltrated from the inside out, that these latest draconian measures would serve well to insulate, facilitate and firewall the activities of the W.E.F.'s plans even further. In fact, and before I typed this, they already have.

Unfortunately, the protest didn't include demanding an investigation. Had it, more would of looked into these 'affairs' and more would have been 'red pilled'.
Can't put that Jeanie back in the bottle.



To the deniers:
Don't be gullible, by what Klaus and others have in their tool-chest. It's as clear as day to some of us.
And don't forget: "You will own nothing, and be happy".

Think about that slogan.

Who in the world has the authority and the confidence to make that kind of statement to the population of the world (all the while knowing they won't fight back). How can that be?
And while doing so, think about what reaction you have to it.

If nothing, you may have Stockholm syndrome.

[Ka-El]

That is how it worked in Germany against the Jews. Those peaceful Jews, man, such anarchy. Any anarchy and chaos was from the fascists.

There is more than one path for the rise of fascism. If you're going to use the Nazis as an example you might want to study the rise of the Third Reich.

Is your freedom been hurt too much KL? Will you be alright?

I'm fine here. No three week 24/7 sonic assault. Stores open and safe to walk the streets and even though the store shelves are sparce sometimes, my employment doesn't depend on being able to transport goods across blockaded borders. Yup, no problems for me personally, but I do feel for all those who a have been and are continually being negatively impacted by the actions and behaviour of a minority group of extremists.

[Catri]

To the best of my knowledge there was one guy who brought a nazi flag to a rally of thousands. And when questioned about it, he said it was a symbol of what Canada could become under authoritarian Liberal rule. So, even though his choice of symbolism was unwise, and distasteful, he wasn’t trying to promote naziism; quite the opposite.

Nevertheless, other protesters asked him to take it down, and he did.

Distasteful as that incident was, it did not represent the views of the many thousands of other people in the crowd, some of whom were veterans, some of whom were jewish, and many of whom were non white.

Yet the media kept showing, and reshowing, images of that single incident ad nauseum, in an attempt to paint the entire crowd as nazi loving white supremicists.

And, having succeeded in convincing folks like you that Canada is now under threat from such folks, they’re now invoking a law that removes many of the checks and balances that protect Canadians from Government overreach.

Freezing peoples bank accounts for donating to a cause that, at the time, was a perfectly legal one, is Government overreach.

And punishing people for participating in an unpopular protest by removing their means of making a living, keeping a roof over their heads, and feeding their families, is draconian. We treat hardened criminals better than that.

Keep cheering this Government on, and one day a different Canadian Government will adopt similar methods against groups who oppose them. Because if we allow Trudeau to normalize this kind of Government overreach, future Governments WILL do the same.

So, I ask once again, are you saying it's okay to display a swastika as long as you're only calling someone else a Nazi rather than espousing Nazi views yourself? Then it's just distasteful and unwise, rather than vile and hateful?

Then there's the repeated, nauseating, ignorant and wrong depiction of the Prime Minister as a Nazi on these boards and among supporters of this nonsense. The hashtags and doctored photos aren't cute or clever, they're awful and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, regardless of politics. It's a sad state of affairs when it has to be repeated that the Prime Minister of Canada is not a Nazi, he isn't a dictator, he isn't a tyrant, he isn't a despot, in spite of the partisan hyperbole and stupid people repeating words they don't understand.

It's simplistic to assume that people who aren't supportive of this protest and don't believe using the Emergencies Act, once it became an occupation, is overreach have been convinced by media or government propaganda or narratives. The fact is that most of us watched this unfold with our own eyes and judged it according to our own values and experiences. I take full responsibility for my opinions and outlook and think that's true of the majority of adult Canadians.

Now that I think of it, it's really very weird to see people pointing fingers of fault not just for their own opinions and actions (Trudeau made them do it) but also the opinions and actions of people who disagree with them (Trudeau made them do it too via MSM). Hmmm.

[fluffy]

Historically, not everybody agreed women should be given the vote. Not everybody agreed non-whites should get equal rights.

Historically, protests have not embraced civil disruption to the extent that the freedom convoy did. Authorities were pretty docile up until the border closure at the Ambassador Bridge. That was a solid gold bonehead maneuver that cost them a whole lot of support, and the point where even the CPC turned on them.

[PoplarSoul]

This incessant need for some individuals to compare PM Trudeau to Hitler is not only strange but downright silly.

[the truth]

This incessant need for some individuals to compare PM Trudeau to Hitler is not only strange but downright silly.

seems very close to the truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq52TUza3RA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMpLDUHzSjg

[zoo]

You have never lived in an authoritarian country under a dictatorship and you have no idea how it all slowly and gradually happens. One day you wake up and the country is already different.

And what authoritarian regime have you lived under? Certainly in the study of the rise of fascist regimes we often see anarchy and chaos as a precursor, and knowing that makes the agenda of the current right disinformation campaign all that much more clear. The temporary measures of the EMA are intended to protect our democracy - although I'm sure those blinded by hate for Trudeau will decide to refuse to see that.

I'd call it nothing but amazing but that would be giving it credit. The super rich are divided up into ownership of about 4 groups owning every source of media you feed off. Of those all but one group have financed and supported this new style of extreme left political parties.
The obvious would tell you that your actually supporting those very same rich and the party that has been using it to give you a false vision of this once great country. Our country is in a horrible mess right now, and look which party is at the helm.
And you have fallen for it.
right disinformation? Not sure what media source you watch but here in canada its pretty much all supporting the left extremist behavior.
Most of us didnt make our decisions about false propaganda from receiving right disinformation, the opposite, we just were able to look through the mass lefts media blanketing our country with crap and lies.
I would be more concerned with anyone that cannot see this.
If we relied on your leader to give us proper information I could trust, I would believe my neighbor is a racist, misogynist, woman hater.
Canada is on the world stage right now, and its not because everyone has envy and our current leader is setting good example's.
He needs to go.

[Silverstarqueen]

And, having succeeded in convincing folks like you that Canada is now under threat from such folks, they’re now invoking a law that removes many of the checks and balances that protect Canadians from Government overreach.

Freezing peoples bank accounts for donating to a cause that, at the time, was a perfectly legal one, is Government overreach.

And punishing people for participating in an unpopular protest by removing their means of making a living, keeping a roof over their heads, and feeding their families, is draconian. We treat hardened criminals better than that.

Keep cheering this Government on, and one day a different Canadian Government will adopt similar methods against groups who oppose them. Because if we allow Trudeau to normalize this kind of Government overreach, future Governments WILL do the same.

Since all of parliament has to debate and vote on the EA, that seems like a lot of checks and balances right there. The liberals can't pass it by themselves, the conservatives could bring this to a non-confidence vote if they wanted to.
The court process will be a check on unjustified arrests.
Bank accounts for the ring leaders (and possibly large foreign donators) are/or will be frozen, not incidental supporters who happened to send $20 to the cause.
Participating in a protest is not what people are being charged with, but rather those who committed mischief, or counselled others to commit mischief, obstructed police officers, assaulted police officers. Those who violated the injuction by the court against the continual honking, could also face consequences.
There are, as we speak, those who left the "protest" and are regrouping in other areas around/outside the city, so what should police do if they back off, and trucks and people return to repeat the process all over again? Should this be allowed? Does anyone care about the distress/effect on people in the surrounding neighborhoods?
Do you really think Trudeau could/would use this EA if the provincial, municipal level of governements and police had not asked for assistance on a very large scale?
How far do you want to go with the checks and balances, should Canada allow this protest, and it's response to it, bring down the government? which is exactly one of the professed objectives of the Protest Leaders in their original demands? Because we certainly could do that if that's what Canadians want. This is not just up to Trudeau, all our elected MPs are going to have to weigh in on it, and express the wishes of their electorate.

[motokelowna1]

This incessant need for some individuals to compare PM Trudeau to Hitler is not only strange but downright silly.

seems very close to the truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq52TUza3RA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMpLDUHzSjg

I really have to wonder where you lot of misdirected soles arrive at conclusions you dream. It is the White Nationalist of the likes of Pat King that twist their minds with stupid platforms and the likes do not investigate where they are going.

[Piecemaker]

This incessant need for some individuals to compare PM Trudeau to Hitler is not only strange but downright silly.

It is even made more strange by the fact that Hitler would be on the "far-right" not the least on the "left". Ditto for fascism. It is a product of far-right thinking.
When one does not have thoughtful conversation to offer, one resorts to labelling, memes and falsehoods.