Bkr. Is heart disease increasing around the World?

[GordonH]

I would like the experts to get serious about the dietary advice. "Eat more fruits and veggies, while not harmful, is first, probably not at the root of the problem, and second, quite expensive for low income families. I have not heard health advisors address the cost of protein sources for low income families, who are loading up probably on bread, cereals, potatoes, and can't afford good protein sources like cheese, eggs, chicken. When a good quality loaf of bread is4-6$, broccoli $2 a pound, and a whole chicken $12, while rents and cost of gas are skyrocketing, "Houston, we have a problem", they haven't even clothed their kids yet, and there's no money at the end of the week.

So your trying to make a point that low income families cant eat healthy because it cost's too much?
And according to medical organizations around the globe the richest countries seem to be struggling with the world highest obesity rates. And then, Canada at a 64% overweight and obese status, are you saying this 64% is mostly related to the low income families? You said you didnt believe that the overweight and obesity of our country sits at 64%. Are you saying Stat's Canada is fake and mis leading?
A sack of healthy potatoes at Costco is less than a big mac. A bunch of carrots is less, Beans, head of cali. I can make a pot of chili for a fraction of a family of 4 eating at mac. D's.
Your trying far to hard , to always change the narrative to what you require.
After you google search what your trying to make others believe in, challenge the medical and science based organization's that clearly yet again tell you your wrong.

[Silverstarqueen]

I would like the experts to get serious about the dietary advice. "Eat more fruits and veggies, while not harmful, is first, probably not at the root of the problem, and second, quite expensive for low income families. I have not heard health advisors address the cost of protein sources for low income families, who are loading up probably on bread, cereals, potatoes, and can't afford good protein sources like cheese, eggs, chicken. When a good quality loaf of bread is4-6$, broccoli $2 a pound, and a whole chicken $12, while rents and cost of gas are skyrocketing, "Houston, we have a problem", they haven't even clothed their kids yet, and there's no money at the end of the week.

So your trying to make a point that low income families cant eat healthy because it cost's too much?
And according to medical organizations around the globe the richest countries seem to be struggling with the world highest obesity rates. And then, Canada at a 64% overweight and obese status, are you saying this 64% is mostly related to the low income families? You said you didnt believe that the overweight and obesity of our country sits at 64%. Are you saying Stat's Canada is fake and mis leading?
A sack of healthy potatoes at Costco is less than a big mac. A bunch of carrots is less, Beans, head of cali. I can make a pot of chili for a fraction of a family of 4 eating at mac. D's.
Your trying far to hard , to always change the narrative to what you require.
After you google search what your trying to make others believe in, challenge the medical and science based organization's that clearly yet again tell you your wrong.

Your original statement "Nice try, Obesity has been increasing every year to the point of 64% of Canadians in 2017 and higher today"
.....was very inaccurate, and that's what I took issue with.
Now you are mistating what I said, I did not say the overweight and obesity rate was not around 64%. So I'm not saying stats can is false and misleading, I am saying your statement was false (I don't know if you were trying to mislead or you are just ignorant). The obesity rate is closer to about 30%, so let's at least start with facts before we can discuss issues.
When it comes to the poor, we are not talking about feeding a family of four with big macs, i'm not even sure why you brought that up. They are feeding their family what you call "healthy" potatoes, but in fact these could be what are making people overweight, because they are cheaper than good sources of protein, a point I made clear. I noticed a whole chicken was $18 in the store yesterday, cheese has increased in price, eggs, these are the things people need to avoid eating too many fattening sugars and starches. A pot of chilli, would be quite fattening for people with metabolic syndrome, pair that with bread or corn, and, yeah the whole family can chow down and will eventually gain weight. Ever wonder why a lot of latinos have a weight problem? Not that they are the only ones, so let's not pick on them. Our indigenous people, who were slim and health on hunter/fisher diets many years ago, now are reaching record levels of overweight on whatever they are getting now (which often isnt' deer or salmon). But I'll bet there's potatoes, cereal, grains, sugar foods available to them. The poor tend to eat starches, but with far less quality protein in the meal than those who can afford it. What shall we call it, a nutritional desert, for the poor.
Comparing restaurant prices to store bought grocery prices (or for the very poor, whatever the food bank is giving out free), is not what feeding the poor is about.
It depends which organizations you listen to, some are pushing the potatoes, oatmeal, pasta, bread, cereals diet. They SAY eat lots of fruits and vegetables, and actually fruits and greens are very expensive to poor people. Others are saying, wait a minute, starches and cereals are what has been fattening N. Americans for the last fifty years, as they have been told to eat low fat, more affordable protein sources is what is needed so people don't eat so many starches and sugars.

[Silverstarqueen]

I would like the experts to get serious about the dietary advice. "Eat more fruits and veggies, while not harmful, is first, probably not at the root of the problem, and second, quite expensive for low income families. I have not heard health advisors address the cost of protein sources for low income families, who are loading up probably on bread, cereals, potatoes, and can't afford good protein sources like cheese, eggs, chicken. When a good quality loaf of bread is4-6$, broccoli $2 a pound, and a whole chicken $12, while rents and cost of gas are skyrocketing, "Houston, we have a problem", they haven't even clothed their kids yet, and there's no money at the end of the week.

If it was up to me the second thing I would drop from my diet after sugar would be bread and after that potatoes. Keep the eggs and turn to olive oil for the high quality calories. Cheese is also a very good source of protein, and not the kind that comes in a jar that is spreadable.
When it comes to clothes, I buy virtually all my clothes from Value Village, mostly on seniors day. Kids clothes are often barely worn before the kids grow out of them.
If you really want a measure of health then you might want to look at the incidence of type 2 diabetes in the USA which has some concise statistics from the CDC for cities and states. Both the highest rates and the lowest rates.
Dr Ken Berry is a great doctor and shoots straight from the hip when providing good information on diet and health. Diabetes is a strong measure of metabolic health and blood sugar levels are a finite quantifiable indicator.
Your A1C which is your average blood sugar level measured over 3 months should be below 6.0 although some say 7.0 is still ok. Mine is 5.0. My neighbour’s is 21. Yikes!
If you do not know what your A1C is then find out quick. You could be pre-diabetic or worse, diabetic and not know it. Your A1C is probably the most important health indicator and one of the easiest to measure.
https://youtu.be/2DwgWt7Z83A

I agree with you on the importance of A1C, but unfortunately many doctors are not that quick to use it, I have to push to get my doctor to run it for me. And, while it is a not bad indicator, it would not help most people make day to day food choices, because it takes three months to give feedback on dietary changes.
A curious point I find is that in the u.s. if you have an A1C of 5.7, or 5.8 (I forget where the cut off is), the doctor will flag you as "Pre-diabetic", which at least alerts the patient as to where they are headed with their current life style. In Canada, they are not quite so eager. And I read an article the other day that some powers that be, felt doctors were ordering too many unnecessary tests on people who were not yet seriously ill.So the A1c was one that was suggested they scale back. This means that people will be farther along the diabetic pathway, before their doctor alerts them. By the time people are diagnosed diabetic some damage has already been done to various organs in the body, and recovery is more difficult at that point. So I think our health care system could do a lot more to alert people to their metabolic risks, and to which diet would help them reduce those risks, preferably before the damage is done. About 1/3 of diabetics are undiagnosed, and therefore have no idea the poor state of their health, may not even be seeing a physician regularly, and definitely aren't getting much helfpul dietary advice.

[Silverstarqueen]

Sumo wrestlers train for 5 hours a day, and skip breakfast, proof that, as you say, you can't exercise away excess weight, and just fasting does not equate to healthy weight. Some people in the west eat, practically like a sumo wrestler, without the 5 hours a day training, plus may or may not eat a hearty breakfast, and wonder why they gain weight.
https://betterme.world/articles/sumo-wr ... stlers_Eat

Average lifespan for a sumo wrestler is 20 years or so less than an average japanese male.
Unless they catch covid and it goes side ways, lop off another 30 years from that life expectancy.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/shobushi-su ... 25865.html

Turns out you also cannot exercise your way out of covid death.

Turns out you cant inoculate your way out of covid death or getting infected. Good job big pharma! Way to take taxpayer money for a product!

Case fatality rates dropped considerably in countries which had widespread vaccination, so yes you can vaccinate your way out of covid death, but it's not a 100% guarantee. If a vaccine can even cut deaths in the most vulnerable (eg. elderly and obese) by half or more, it is still very worthwhile. Fewer hospitalizations, shorter hospital stays, less critical care, all take some of the burden off the system. ICU treatment has to be worst way to have to treat Covid, when a 15 vaccination will do the trick.

[Grandan]

If it was up to me the second thing I would drop from my diet after sugar would be bread and after that potatoes. Keep the eggs and turn to olive oil for the high quality calories. Cheese is also a very good source of protein, and not the kind that comes in a jar that is spreadable.
When it comes to clothes, I buy virtually all my clothes from Value Village, mostly on seniors day. Kids clothes are often barely worn before the kids grow out of them.
If you really want a measure of health then you might want to look at the incidence of type 2 diabetes in the USA which has some concise statistics from the CDC for cities and states. Both the highest rates and the lowest rates.
Dr Ken Berry is a great doctor and shoots straight from the hip when providing good information on diet and health. Diabetes is a strong measure of metabolic health and blood sugar levels are a finite quantifiable indicator.
Your A1C which is your average blood sugar level measured over 3 months should be below 6.0 although some say 7.0 is still ok. Mine is 5.0. My neighbour’s is 21. Yikes!
If you do not know what your A1C is then find out quick. You could be pre-diabetic or worse, diabetic and not know it. Your A1C is probably the most important health indicator and one of the easiest to measure.
https://youtu.be/2DwgWt7Z83A

I agree with you on the importance of A1C, but unfortunately many doctors are not that quick to use it, I have to push to get my doctor to run it for me. And, while it is a not bad indicator, it would not help most people make day to day food choices, because it takes three months to give feedback on dietary changes.
A curious point I find is that in the u.s. if you have an A1C of 5.7, or 5.8 (I forget where the cut off is), the doctor will flag you as "Pre-diabetic", which at least alerts the patient as to where they are headed with their current life style. In Canada, they are not quite so eager. And I read an article the other day that some powers that be, felt doctors were ordering too many unnecessary tests on people who were not yet seriously ill.So the A1c was one that was suggested they scale back. This means that people will be farther along the diabetic pathway, before their doctor alerts them. By the time people are diagnosed diabetic some damage has already been done to various organs in the body, and recovery is more difficult at that point. So I think our health care system could do a lot more to alert people to their metabolic risks, and to which diet would help them reduce those risks, preferably before the damage is done. About 1/3 of diabetics are undiagnosed, and therefore have no idea the poor state of their health, may not even be seeing a physician regularly, and definitely aren't getting much helfpul dietary advice.

Another sign of danger for people is the rise in Uric acid. Uric acid was once thought to be a benign waste product. Recent research has uncovered far reaching problems for our metabolism. The most noticeable and well know problem is Gout.
High Uric acid is caused by sugar but also organ meats. I am currently reading a book about URIC ACID called Drop Acid by David Perlmutter. It is right up to date on the science.
Since some doctors are not proactive with regard to A1C it falls on the individual to scrutinize their lab reports to see where the red flags are. Average A1C may not be the desirable level to be at. There is plenty of information available but it is up to you to find out for yourself where your Levels should be.
Many people do not know that all their lab reports are available on line. Leaving things up to your doctor to tell you is not the best course, you need to be proactive.
There are many good videos on YouTube that discuss in detail the many factors that blood tests reveal. It is not easy to follow the science. There are lots of big complicated words used to describe what is going on in your body when you eat something but it is worth your time to follow the science. Don’t be fooled by wannabe food or diet writers who can pump out erroneous information based on their opinion rather than the science.
I highly recommend Jason Fung as an easy to understand doctor.

[Grandan]

You might want to have a look at what sugar is costing us.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/946340

[Fancy]

The sugar people consume in a can of coke is equivalent to the maximum daily intake recommended. Now add up the sugar in the rest of the food eaten in a day and the amount would be outrageous.

[Grandan]

The sugar people consume in a can of coke is equivalent to the maximum daily intake recommended. Now add up the sugar in the rest of the food eaten in a day and the amount would be outrageous.

The sugar contained in that morning orange juice is just as bad. Add to that the highly refined carbohydrates contained in the breakfast cereal or muffin and copious amounts of sugar in other food throughout the day and that tells you why there is an epidemic.

[Grandan]

Probably one of the most important videos available explaining the fundamental problem with sugar, particularly the sweet molecule fructose and why you don’t want to consume processed food which he explains is not real food. This is a rather long video but it will change the way you look at processed foods and particular sugar sweetened beverages.
Robert Lustig is the author of Metabolical.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vLIayKZNgOM&feature=share

[Silverstarqueen]

The sugar people consume in a can of coke is equivalent to the maximum daily intake recommended. Now add up the sugar in the rest of the food eaten in a day and the amount would be outrageous.

The sugar contained in that morning orange juice is just as bad. Add to that the highly refined carbohydrates contained in the breakfast cereal or muffin and copious amounts of sugar in other food throughout the day and that tells you why there is an epidemic.

By now everyone should be aware that sugars and excess refined carbohydrates are bad news. What we haven't figured out, is how to boost alternatives for more people. Afterall, unless we are overweight, we have to eat something. (Although Dr. Fung believes we don't, most people are not into starvation). So, how do we provide adequate protein and healthy fats for people who still have to eat? Everywhere you look there are advertisements enticing people to eat more sugars and refined carbohydrates, yet we don't allow tobacco advertising. If you go into any store with food (even drug stores, supposedly a health oriented location), you can't see rows and rows of tobacco products, they are hidden, but you can see rows and rows of sugar laden and high carb junk food. There might be 10% of space allocated for healthy proteins or say, nuts. Even "protein" bars are laden with sugars and excess carbs. Yet, farmers are barely breaking even producing chicken, eggs, dairy, and fishers are struggling to provide their product at affordable prices. Until this life-affordability problem is solved, I can't see much improvement in the nutrional situation for a lot of people.

[Fancy]

You'd think the cost of a box of cereal these days would point people in a different direction.

[Silverstarqueen]

You'd think the cost of a box of cereal these days would point people in a different direction.

Sure a bag of oatmeal is cheaper, but kids (and adults) can't live on oatmeal.
I recall when we were living in residence at university, poor students. A few of us who were interested in nutrition did an analysis of the typical meals provided there (no grocery stores for miles). And we concluded that it was practically impossible to get adequate nutrients with that dietary offering. And if a student skipped even one meal, which is common for busy students, then they were definitely deficient in the essentials. Some of the things I had to live on, due to lack of funds, were not adequate nutrition. The upside is that it gave me an appreciation for how difficult it is to feed a family on a low budget, and I'd say cost of living is worse nowadays.

[Fancy]

Oatmeal goes a long way to provide carbs and protein and different ways to include it daily for nutritious meals. In addition to - not only. Don't know anyone that lives on one product alone - wouldn't be healthy.

[Fancy]

A lot of articles that discuss meals on a budget seem to always mention restaurants. Don't go to a restaurant if you want to save money. Really? Seems to indicate people eat out a lot even on a fixed income.

[zoo]

The sugar contained in that morning orange juice is just as bad. Add to that the highly refined carbohydrates contained in the breakfast cereal or muffin and copious amounts of sugar in other food throughout the day and that tells you why there is an epidemic.

By now everyone should be aware that sugars and excess refined carbohydrates are bad news. What we haven't figured out, is how to boost alternatives for more people. Afterall, unless we are overweight, we have to eat something. (Although Dr. Fung believes we don't, most people are not into starvation). So, how do we provide adequate protein and healthy fats for people who still have to eat? Everywhere you look there are advertisements enticing people to eat more sugars and refined carbohydrates, yet we don't allow tobacco advertising. If you go into any store with food (even drug stores, supposedly a health oriented location), you can't see rows and rows of tobacco products, they are hidden, but you can see rows and rows of sugar laden and high carb junk food. There might be 10% of space allocated for healthy proteins or say, nuts. Even "protein" bars are laden with sugars and excess carbs. Yet, farmers are barely breaking even producing chicken, eggs, dairy, and fishers are struggling to provide their product at affordable prices. Until this life-affordability problem is solved, I can't see much improvement in the nutrional situation for a lot of people.

Yes, the governments can address what you are mentioning above.
People do have the abilities to address their own ability to eat healthy.
There is unlimited medical and dietary links on a google search that show, teach, how to eat healthy on the same budget as junk food.
Our own governments have failed its people. They contributed to the burden on our system and the suffering of far too many people.
But, people also make their own choices.
We all have every available opportunity to eat healthy over junk.
The myth's of it being un available, to expensive etc. have all been studied and proven false.
In most cases, exercise is also an independent decision.