Diabetes

[Fancy]

There are a lot of ads on TV now about diabetes and options of medication. Better advice to be taken from a physician that knows patient history.

[hozzle]

For type 2 - Metformin for sure... then diet & exercise (a basic guide is to follow a low carb or keto type diet)... and of course as suggested consult your physician.

[Bsuds]

For type 2 - Metformin for sure... then diet & exercise (a basic guide is to follow a low carb or keto type diet)... and of course as suggested consult your physician.

Not everyone can take Metformin as it is very hard on the Kidneys. That's why I am taking insulin. Started taking Jardiance recently too which has a side effect of some weight loss. That doesn't hurt either. lol

[hozzle]

For type 2 - Metformin for sure... then diet & exercise (a basic guide is to follow a low carb or keto type diet)... and of course as suggested consult your physician.

Not everyone can take Metformin as it is very hard on the Kidneys. That's why I am taking insulin. Started taking Jardiance recently too which has a side effect of some weight loss. That doesn't hurt either. lol

Sorry to hear that (sincerely)... just curious, was your adverse reaction to Metformin due to the med itself, or was your kidneys compromised due to type 2 or due to some other factor?

[Thinktank]

100% of people who follow doctors advice about diabetes - don't get better.

You would think that health authorities in Fiji could do something about this fact:

"When we say 'one amputation every twelve hours', about 40 per cent of the surgery done in this country is for amputation," he said. https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pac ... ji-surgery

But then again, Canada's health authorities have done NOTHING, ZERO about this fact:

Diabetes cases hit record 382 million worldwide
By 2035, number of diabetes cases predicted to soar to 592 million
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/diabetes ... -1.2426381

How hard would it be to mandate nutrition "restrictions" in schools?

We could take the cheap masks and vaccines and Bonnie Henry and flush them all down the drain - and start teaching "farmers markets, local produce, and healthy meals" lessons to everyone, especially dumb kids.
Of course big pharma would lose $billions - maybe $trillions.



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[Bsuds]

Sorry to hear that (sincerely)... just curious, was your adverse reaction to Metformin due to the med itself, or was your kidneys compromised due to type 2 or due to some other factor?

My Kidneys were compromised due to a long stay in the ICU and massive doses of antibiotics. Damaged my hearing as well.

Good News is I'm still here. (Some posters might think otherwise. lol)

[Fancy]

Very good news!!

[Grandan]

For type 2 - Metformin for sure... then diet & exercise (a basic guide is to follow a low carb or keto type diet)... and of course as suggested consult your physician.

Had I followed the advice of my doctor I would still be on medication. I went on a low carb diet and ditched the blood pressure medication so I am now free. My HbA1c has always been 5.0 or so no diabetes to worry about.
I saw a meta analysis and there is no proof that any blood pressure medication keeps you alive any longer than a week or two so what is the point?
There is still debate about animal protein vs. a vegetarian diet but we do know that a diet of animal fat and protein does not kill you as witnessed in the Inuit but I am not sure about longevity.

[alanjh595]

Had I followed the advice of my doctor I would still be on medication. I went on a low carb diet and ditched the blood pressure medication so I am now free. My HbA1c has always been 5.0 or so no diabetes to worry about.
I saw a meta analysis and there is no proof that any blood pressure medication keeps you alive any longer than a week or two so what is the point?
There is still debate about animal protein vs. a vegetarian diet but we do know that a diet of animal fat and protein does not kill you as witnessed in the Inuit but I am not sure about longevity.

That is VERY interesting.

Thank you for that.

[hozzle]

For type 2 - Metformin for sure... then diet & exercise (a basic guide is to follow a low carb or keto type diet)... and of course as suggested consult your physician.

Had I followed the advice of my doctor I would still be on medication. I went on a low carb diet and ditched the blood pressure medication so I am now free. My HbA1c has always been 5.0 or so no diabetes to worry about.
I saw a meta analysis and there is no proof that any blood pressure medication keeps you alive any longer than a week or two so what is the point?
There is still debate about animal protein vs. a vegetarian diet but we do know that a diet of animal fat and protein does not kill you as witnessed in the Inuit but I am not sure about longevity.

[Silverstarqueen]

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[Fancy]

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[Grandan]

Had I followed the advice of my doctor I would still be on medication. I went on a low carb diet and ditched the blood pressure medication so I am now free. My HbA1c has always been 5.0 or so no diabetes to worry about.
I saw a meta analysis and there is no proof that any blood pressure medication keeps you alive any longer than a week or two so what is the point?
There is still debate about animal protein vs. a vegetarian diet but we do know that a diet of animal fat and protein does not kill you as witnessed in the Inuit but I am not sure about longevity.

That is VERY interesting.

Thank you for that.

The fascinating that got me turned around is that a number of researchers around the world were waking up to the fact that the human body is designed to run on fat and does so more efficiently than does glucose which produces much more reactive oxygen species as a by product.
Jeff Volek demonstrated that runners, cyclists and ultra marathoners were more efficient burning fat as fuel vs. carb burners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFqjqqJTJQ4
If you prefer books, this one by Volek and his partner and the man who started the movement, Stephen Phinney will give you some good insight
https://www.amazon.ca/Art-Science-Low-C ... 0983490716
He is really one of the pioneers of the movement toward fat as fuel.
Another good resource is Dr Paul Mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF3buYQWJ3E
Also, Dr Tim Noakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Noakes
is a South African Doctor who was sued by the Nutritionists association because he tweeted to a mother that it was safe for an infant to be on a ketogenic diet.
It took years for the lawsuit to wind through the courts and he was ultimately exonerated because his team had all the evidence.
A not well known fact is that babies are in a state of nutritional ketosis when they are born and can last quite long under adverse conditions because of their fat stores.

[Silverstarqueen]

I have not bought in to this theory that the human body was designed to run only on fat and protein. These diets work precisely because our bodies and appestats are geared to eat carbohydrates when available. There are many indigenous groups which have survived very well on mainly carbohydrates, some fat, and some (often hunted animal) protein. And there are indigenous groups which survived on mainly hunting. So that tells me that our body is adaptable, as a survival means, it can do very well on either, or combinations of fat, carb, protein. What our bodies were never meant to live on is processed foods, such as we have an abundance of now: potato chips, corn chips, breads of a hundred different types, food soaked in fat and deep fried in fats, white flours, sugar. And we were never designed to live on food that didn't take a lot of work to acquire (farming or hunting or combination of). So the sheer abundance adds to the problem that processed food is easy to get, and quick to eat in large amounts. If you add in, that a large part of the population has moved from the bush/country where food took work to acquire, long days of hard work, and now much of the population is living in the city: far far less physical work, or even effort to transport anything from A to B. Humans have survived regular periods of starvation by developing an ability to eat large amounts of food, if and when available, and to store it as fat, to carry us thru the times of famine. This is not a small effect, most animals have it to some degree.

Until the last 50 years or so we did not have advertising continually right in our homes, to eat all this processed food. Juicy burgers with cheese and bacon dripping made to look larger and juicier than reality. Huge servings of processed potatoes and sugary drinks and desserts. Advertising is very powerful, particularly aimed at people trying to limit their intake. Do we allow advertising of cocaine and opiods on tv, billboards along the highways? Retail outlets by the hundreds in every city? Drive thru service for everyone from cradle to grave? Drugstores lined with more junk food than medications gas stations with every imaginable junk food ? So we have the makings of a metabolic pandemic. Getting people back to whole, unprocessed unsugared, unsalted, not fat laden, foods, and used to not eating tons of it, with very little physical output, would be the solution(I doubt it is possible to actually accomplish tho), the normal balance of nutrients, in their naturally available form, would go a long way to preventing metabolic problems.

[hozzle]

I have not bought in to this theory that the human body was designed to run only on fat and protein. These diets work precisely because our bodies and appestats are geared to eat carbohydrates when available. There are many indigenous groups which have survived very well on mainly carbohydrates, some fat, and some (often hunted animal) protein. And there are indigenous groups which survived on mainly hunting. So that tells me that our body is adaptable, as a survival means, it can do very well on either, or combinations of fat, carb, protein. What our bodies were never meant to live on is processed foods, such as we have an abundance of now: potato chips, corn chips, breads of a hundred different types, food soaked in fat and deep fried in fats, white flours, sugar. And we were never designed to live on food that didn't take a lot of work to acquire (farming or hunting or combination of). So the sheer abundance adds to the problem that processed food is easy to get, and quick to eat in large amounts. If you add in, that a large part of the population has moved from the bush/country where food took work to acquire, long days of hard work, and now much of the population is living in the city: far far less physical work, or even effort to transport anything from A to B. Humans have survived regular periods of starvation by developing an ability to eat large amounts of food, if and when available, and to store it as fat, to carry us thru the times of famine. This is not a small effect, most animals have it to some degree.

Until the last 50 years or so we did not have advertising continually right in our homes, to eat all this processed food. Juicy burgers with cheese and bacon dripping made to look larger and juicier than reality. Huge servings of processed potatoes and sugary drinks and desserts. Advertising is very powerful, particularly aimed at people trying to limit their intake. Do we allow advertising of cocaine and opiods on tv, billboards along the highways? Retail outlets by the hundreds in every city? Drive thru service for everyone from cradle to grave? Drugstores lined with more junk food than medications gas stations with every imaginable junk food ? So we have the makings of a metabolic pandemic. Getting people back to whole, unprocessed unsugared, unsalted, not fat laden, foods, and used to not eating tons of it, with very little physical output, would be the solution(I doubt it is possible to actually accomplish tho), the normal balance of nutrients, in their naturally available form, would go a long way to preventing metabolic problems.

Well, I think most of what was being discussed was along the Keto diet. The idea is for you to get more calories from protein and fat and less from carbohydrates. You cut back most on the carbs that are easy to digest, like sugar, soda, pastries, and white bread.
Also on page 8 there is a video by Dr Perlmutter, that is helpful, IMHO.