Ukraine war/President/news

[WESTman]

Over 80 percent of Axis causalities occurred on the eastern front, without Russia the Second World War would have been lost by the allies.

[ferri]

Ukraine Russia war NEWS

[Drip_Torch]

Aww. This is so cute. The Putin youth are ready to bring Alaska back home.



Heartwarming...

[Drip_Torch]

Wasn't the Russian's allies with Hitlerer in the beginning of the war?......that is until Hitler and the Nazi turned on the Russians. It was sad, the Russian didn't know a friend from a foe back then just like now.

That's a lame argument. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about non-aggression, hardly an "alliance". In the late 30', in the aftermath of WW1, many countries were not prepared for for an all out war against militarily superior Nazi Germany. For example, Neville Chamberlain also made a similar pact (1938 Munich Agreement) with Hitler and Mussolini. And we don't call Britons Nazi collaborators for that.

On the other hand, Stepan Bandera's nationalists actively collaborated with Nazi Germany in the extermination and deportation of many Jews and other "untermenschen", and fighting the Red Army along Nazis during the operation Barbarossa. Nowadays Ukrainian troops are their ideological followers.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about spheres of influence.

The secret protocol agreed to by Stalin and Hitler, divided Northern and Eastern Europe into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence. Of course, you'll tell me that Nazi Germany violated the pact, because Nazis are bad (and the real ones are), but in fact it was Stalin that broke the secret protocol with the annexation of the Northern half of Bukovina (Northern Romania and Ukraine).

The Soviets and the apologists have always been comfortable rewriting history and creating stories. That's what they do and that's what they've always been able to get away with. That's why there continues to be loons that propagate a Ukrainian Nazi myth.

History has clearly shown Soviet propaganda works.

So, Stalin and Hitler agree to split up Europe, Stalin reneges and does his own thing, but then tries to make things better by invading Poland along with the Nazis. Too late, Hitler figures the Soviets are lying scum and comes up with another plan.

The two totalitarians become enemies and the Allies have to pick a side. The lesser of two evils, no doubt, but evil still the same.

The reason we don't call Brits Nazi collaborators is two-fold. One, they didn't collaborate with the Nazis, like the Soviets did, and two, they didn't pull off any despicable war crimes and lie about it for 50 years.
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[BC Landlord]

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about spheres of influence.

No, ... I think you mixed it up with the Yalta conference in 1945, which was about spheres of influence. 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact however butchered Poland as much as the Munich conference butchered Czechoslovakia a year earlier. No difference.

[Queen K]

Who cares. This is about Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

[BC Landlord]

Who cares.

Rational people do. Distortion of history in the news does not help ending this conflict.

[Drip_Torch]

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about spheres of influence.

No, ... I think you mixed it up with the Yalta conference in 1945, which was about spheres of influence. 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact however butchered Poland as much as the Munich conference butchered Czechoslovakia a year earlier. No difference.

Think what you want. The original documents were published on May 31, 2019 and it's a documented fact the Soviets negotiated spheres of influence with the Nazis. Later, the same year the document was signed, the Soviets invaded Poland with the Nazis, albeit from the East. Then they massacred slightly less than 22,000 people, and have lied to the world and blamed it all on the Nazis, until recently.

http://historyfoundation.ru/2019/05/31/ ... Rqfta0uKRk

[Queen K]

Who cares.

Rational people do. Distortion of history in the news does not help ending this conflict.

You know what helps ending this conflict? Putin looking himself in the mirror and asking what is more important, the 1940s or him ordering his troops to stand down. I vote Putin ending his aggressions by agreeing he's spilled enough Russian and Ukraine blood.

[Drip_Torch]

I stand by my words of earlier. Victory Day commemorates the expansion of Soviet rule over Eastern Europe. Even if it didn't go down the way they had envisioned it, with the Nazis, back in 1939.

Hopefully, this time, we nip it in the bud.

And for the record, I've been to both Russia and Ukraine.

The people deserve far better than what they are getting with Putin and I don't blame Ukrainians for resisting Putin's annexation attempts. If the Russian people are willing to trade their Christo-fascist ideologies, for the looting Putin and his inner circle are getting away with - that's on them.

If they want to believe Bonnie and Clyde were Soviet era war heros... I hope they can fill their boots, with anything that makes them feel warm and comfortable.

As long as they keep it in their borders.

[Queen K]

Perhaps all the Putin supporters will just stop supporting him?

[Even Steven]

Oh, speaking of nazis that are totally not part of Ukranian armed forces. Look what president Zelensky published today along with Ministry of Defense:





Just a Ukranian soldier wearing Nazi insignia. Again. For the millionth times.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_ ... _Totenkopf



Totally not Nazis!

Totally not part of Ukranian army!

[Drip_Torch]

Don't feel bad, I understand there's one of you born every minute.

Here's the collection of archived images propagandist Anabel V. put together to create the illusion you're buying into...
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Notice how @DefenceU isn't there?

If you're at all interested in learning something today, you could read this article:

https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/a ... 9-publics/

Screensampling excerpted sources from web archives allows users like @narvonocutz (EvenSteven) to recontextualize and propagate content from a trusted source (the Wayback Machine), while constructing a new post or thread of recontextualized content made of images that both evade moderation but also obfuscate the archived URL by disabling the hyperlink and shortening the original URL. Abstracted from their original source, these screenshots severe attribution to the original URL and spreading the content in an untraceable manner, and creating “memetic abstraction” (Chaiet, 2019).

[Even Steven]

Riiiiight. Illusion...

Is this another illusion?



https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/34 ... pment.html

Just Ukranian media posting pictures of Ukranian soldiers with Nazi insignia

Just not quick enough to delete it like Zelensky

[BC Landlord]

And what exactly is the purpose of denying Ukrainian government's Nazi affiliations? They are not too shy about it themselves.