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Silverstarqueen wrote: May 14th, 2022, 10:27 am Do you really think those people in the audience have not heard about eating healthy, exercising, reducing stress?
It's not as easy as you think. Just look at how many still cannot understand the above and how it can save your life from covid.
Yes, you would think that people could at least stop the need for ignoring it, for hiding it, for using mis information to conceal it. People not understanding eating healthy, exercising etc. it the biggest burden on our system. The cause of majority of our covid severity and death.
People are science and health deniers only because they are choosing to be to not have to deal with things that seem to difficult for far too many.
Ignorance in place of the need for political control and being politically correct has to be held to an accountability today.
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There’s been evidence right from the beginning of the Pandemic that obesity is a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome. Yet that fact wasn’t as widely disseminated by our Public Health authorities, or mainstream media, as it ought to have been. And I suspect the reason for that had something to do with society’s current obsession with “political correctness”.

It’s no coincidence that diabetes is also a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome because, in the case of Type 2 diabetes, that also is often associated with obesity.

This failure to provide us with all the relevant facts, because of some misguided sense of “political correctness” makes one wonder what other facts were withheld for the same, or similar, reasons? After all, if we were faithfully “following the science” the possibility of causing offence to certain groups shouldn’t have been an issue.
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Merry wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:17 am There’s been evidence right from the beginning of the Pandemic that obesity is a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome. Yet that fact wasn’t as widely disseminated by our Public Health authorities, or mainstream media, as it ought to have been. And I suspect the reason for that had something to do with society’s current obsession with “political correctness”.

It’s no coincidence that diabetes is also a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome because, in the case of Type 2 diabetes, that also is often associated with obesity.

This failure to provide us with all the relevant facts, because of some misguided sense of “political correctness” makes one wonder what other facts were withheld for the same, or similar, reasons? After all, if we were faithfully “following the science” the possibility of causing offence to certain groups shouldn’t have been an issue.
lots people died that didn't have diabetes though from the virus. anyways america needs to get off the processed food train or this disease will keep on injuring and costing americans billions in unnecessary costs
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captkirkcanada wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:23 am
Merry wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:17 am There’s been evidence right from the beginning of the Pandemic that obesity is a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome. Yet that fact wasn’t as widely disseminated by our Public Health authorities, or mainstream media, as it ought to have been. And I suspect the reason for that had something to do with society’s current obsession with “political correctness”.

It’s no coincidence that diabetes is also a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome because, in the case of Type 2 diabetes, that also is often associated with obesity.

This failure to provide us with all the relevant facts, because of some misguided sense of “political correctness” makes one wonder what other facts were withheld for the same, or similar, reasons? After all, if we were faithfully “following the science” the possibility of causing offence to certain groups shouldn’t have been an issue.
lots people died that didn't have diabetes though from the virus. anyways america needs to get off the processed food train or this disease will keep on injuring and costing americans billions in unnecessary costs
Yes, lots of people who died did not have diabetes. BUT throughout most of the pandemic, diabetes was listed as being the most prevalent comorbidity in those who did die.
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Merry wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:17 am There’s been evidence right from the beginning of the Pandemic that obesity is a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome. Yet that fact wasn’t as widely disseminated by our Public Health authorities, or mainstream media, as it ought to have been. And I suspect the reason for that had something to do with society’s current obsession with “political correctness”.

It’s no coincidence that diabetes is also a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome because, in the case of Type 2 diabetes, that also is often associated with obesity.

This failure to provide us with all the relevant facts, because of some misguided sense of “political correctness” makes one wonder what other facts were withheld for the same, or similar, reasons? After all, if we were faithfully “following the science” the possibility of causing offence to certain groups shouldn’t have been an issue.
Regarding pointing fingers at the obese, it is really too late to turn that around and do anything about it. Weight loss and turning diabetes around can take months. Getting carb addiction reversed is a long road of convincing the afflicted that their dietary intakes are harming them and a long road after that. This is why isolation is about the only sure fire method of avoiding Covid 19.
About the only way of proving something is by convincing statistics and that is something that only comes after the fact. It is one thing to suspect something but it must be borne out by proof and facts. Public health is all about trust. Remember the debate about masks at the beginning of the pandemic?
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Grandan wrote: May 17th, 2022, 11:10 am
Merry wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:17 am There’s been evidence right from the beginning of the Pandemic that obesity is a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome. Yet that fact wasn’t as widely disseminated by our Public Health authorities, or mainstream media, as it ought to have been. And I suspect the reason for that had something to do with society’s current obsession with “political correctness”.

It’s no coincidence that diabetes is also a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome because, in the case of Type 2 diabetes, that also is often associated with obesity.

This failure to provide us with all the relevant facts, because of some misguided sense of “political correctness” makes one wonder what other facts were withheld for the same, or similar, reasons? After all, if we were faithfully “following the science” the possibility of causing offence to certain groups shouldn’t have been an issue.
Regarding pointing fingers at the obese, it is really too late to turn that around and do anything about it. Weight loss and turning diabetes around can take months. Getting carb addiction reversed is a long road of convincing the afflicted that their dietary intakes are harming them and a long road after that. This is why isolation is about the only sure fire method of avoiding Covid 19.
About the only way of proving something is by convincing statistics and that is something that only comes after the fact. It is one thing to suspect something but it must be borne out by proof and facts. Public health is all about trust. Remember the debate about masks at the beginning of the pandemic?
yea after i thought about it i realized only a few ppl i know with diabetes was in fact overweight , most are that i know around what they should weigh so yea i'm not buying that argument at all. babies have passed from covid and how many babies are born overweight? lots ppl in care homes also passed that were nowhere near overweight .

for myself i found cutting out processed foods altogether was better with exercise like walking for weight control than just tracking a carb intake. i'm not a diabetic so i can't say what dietary plan would be best for that disease
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I don't think it is a matter of whether you believe anything or not, it is about what the evidence shows

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... COVID%2D19.
Additional Information on Children and Teens
People of all ages, including children, can get very sick from COVID-19. Children with underlying medical conditions are at increased risk for getting very sick compared to children without underlying medical conditions.

Current evidence suggests that children with medical complexity, with genetic, neurologic, or metabolic conditions, or with congenital heart disease can be at increased risk for getting very sick from COVID-19. Like adults, children with obesity, diabetes, asthma or chronic lung disease, sickle cell disease, or who are immunocompromised can also be at increased risk for getting very sick from COVID-19. Check out COVID-19 Vaccines for Children and Teens for more information on vaccination information for children.
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Regardless of "what happened" we all know full well through all proven science, who and why we were so severely attack by Covid. We know what select groups of people are and will continue to be vulnerable to it and future virus's. It's ironic that the very same people that ignored at all cost's any thought of what we were being told were leading medical conditions that played the most vital role in covid death and severity are the ones still wanting to keep all this info. and acknowledgment away from the learning and adjusting of our societies absolutely horrible health status.
We can assist, make changes, create measures that would help everyone, but we are far too focused on political needs and personal emotional needs instead of taking measures.
We still keep healthy, young people from plane travel. That's not science,,,that's politics.
If we cannot acknowledge the proven facts of the links associated to this whole covid pandemic because we need to satisfy groups of society that do not want to address them as more important for basing our whole pandemic approach on we are incapable of handling any issue's.
CDC, you know, that little group of scientist's that our government relied on so much to guide as all through the pandemic. This is what they say about Diabetes. So, why are we hearing people trying to lessen the proven science so desperately? Exactly what happened through out covid. People are picking and choosing what fits them instead of us all addresses science for what it is telling us.
Obesity is a major independent risk factor for developing the disease, and more than 90% of type 2 diabetics are overweight or obese 2. Modest weight loss, as little as 5% of total body weight, can help to improve type 2 diabetes in patients who are overweight or obese
But you know what we do in this country with this kind of information, we ignore it because far too many people want to. They are more concerned about a mask and keeping their neighbour from the gym. And we wonder why we are failing.
Remember the government used term, "Science deniers"?
Give people that need to look at themselves a chance to point the finger at their neighbour and then you have todays society.
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90% of type 2 diabetics are overweight or obese 2.
this isnt true in my real world experience.
Insulin is a hormone made by your pancreas that acts like a key to let blood sugar into the cells in your body for use as energy. If you have type 2 diabetes, cells don’t respond normally to insulin; this is called insulin resistance. Your pancreas makes more insulin to try to get cells to respond. Eventually your pancreas can’t keep up, and your blood sugar rises, setting the stage for prediabetes and type 2 diabetes. High blood sugar is damaging to the body and can cause other serious health problems, such as heart disease, vision loss, and kidney disease.
i don't see obesity being mentioned as the cause :135:

lets look at risk factors, all of them , not just one,
You’re at risk for type 2 diabetes if you:

Have prediabetes.
Are overweight.
Are 45 years or older.
Have a parent, brother, or sister with type 2 diabetes.
Are physically active less than 3 times a week.
Have ever had gestational diabetes (diabetes during pregnancy) or given birth to a baby who weighed over 9 pounds.
Are an African American, Hispanic or Latino, American Indian, or Alaska Native person. Some Pacific Islanders and Asian American people are also at higher risk.
If you have non-alcoholic fatty liver disease you may also be at risk for type 2 diabetes.
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/basics/risk-factors.html
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Merry wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:17 am There’s been evidence right from the beginning of the Pandemic that obesity is a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome. Yet that fact wasn’t as widely disseminated by our Public Health authorities, or mainstream media, as it ought to have been. And I suspect the reason for that had something to do with society’s current obsession with “political correctness”.

It’s no coincidence that diabetes is also a huge risk factor for a poor Covid outcome because, in the case of Type 2 diabetes, that also is often associated with obesity.

This failure to provide us with all the relevant facts, because of some misguided sense of “political correctness” makes one wonder what other facts were withheld for the same, or similar, reasons? After all, if we were faithfully “following the science” the possibility of causing offence to certain groups shouldn’t have been an issue.
Diabetes was a known risk factor from early on in relation to covid, and also in relation to all the complications of diabetes, this was in news articles when talking about risk factors (there are many). You would have to be living under a rock if you hadn't heard there's a connection between overweight and more so obesity and diabetes. People in Canada have known for decades that a healthy diet and exercise are important to reduce all risk factors that shorten life. So none of you had heard about all this?
June 2020:
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-ka ... -covid-19/
July 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7166301/
No secret, anyone could have looked this stuff up online, some news articles mentioned it.
Still 99% of overweight/obese people did not die of covid.
B.C had 3300 covid deaths. Most of them by far were elderly and seniors.

NAFLD, another condition which has been associated with more inflammatory Covid, occurs in people who are overweigh but also in normal weight people.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33031439/
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Silverstarqueen wrote: May 18th, 2022, 2:28 pm
Diabetes was a known risk factor from early on in relation to covid, and also in relation to all the complications of diabetes, this was in news articles when talking about risk factors (there are many). You would have to be living under a rock if you hadn't heard there's a connection between overweight and more so obesity and diabetes. People in Canada have known for decades that a healthy diet and exercise are important to reduce all risk factors that shorten life. So none of you had heard about all this?
June 2020:
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-ka ... -covid-19/
July 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7166301/
No secret, anyone could have looked this stuff up online, some news articles mentioned it.
Still 99% of overweight/obese people did not die of covid.
B.C had 3300 covid deaths. Most of them by far were elderly and seniors.

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So, now your saying a number of 99% not effected is enough to ignore, place no concern, no relevance or need to address and respect that select group?
Seems your strategy of standards to support vaccination, punishment of mandates and limitations of freedoms changes from group to group.
One minute 99% of obese people do not end up died, so no concern. Then, "just because your healthy and young doesn't mean your not vulnerable to covid" thing.
Sounds like the only area of concern for you is the 1% of the people effected by covid now.
Which is what you have been fighting others on all along.
Facts and science are proven, elderly and immune compromised are the 99% of the people effected severely with covid.
Of those a vast majority of covid severity and death have complications such as obesity and diabetes.
Your trying desperately to avoid the science again.
Your fighting all of us that are following the science and respecting it. We are not trying to change the delivery of anything, to change its role. People are demanding respect and measures that represent the facts, not represent people based on their political choice or personal emotional health status.
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liisgo wrote: May 16th, 2022, 8:59 am
Silverstarqueen wrote: May 14th, 2022, 10:27 am Do you really think those people in the audience have not heard about eating healthy, exercising, reducing stress?
It's not as easy as you think. Just look at how many still cannot understand the above and how it can save your life from covid.
Yes, you would think that people could at least stop the need for ignoring it, for hiding it, for using mis information to conceal it. People not understanding eating healthy, exercising etc. it the biggest burden on our system. The cause of majority of our covid severity and death.
People are science and health deniers only because they are choosing to be to not have to deal with things that seem to difficult for far too many.
Ignorance in place of the need for political control and being politically correct has to be held to an accountability today.
The professionals cannot agree on what “eating healthy” even means. The food pyramid is but one example. Many scientists and doctors will tell you that there is too much grain in the food pyramid. Some will tell you that animal fat is good others not. For every food there is debate so how does the average person know to do the right thing particularly when food advertisements advocate for their so called healthy diet food with too much sugar and highly refined carbohydrates and processed seed oils.
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well those that need to can stop by stuffing their faces with fast food, when they go food shopping do not go in the pop.chip junk food aisle,more fruit, and veggies, less junk people ,
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Grandan wrote: May 20th, 2022, 4:59 pm The professionals cannot agree on what “eating healthy” even means. The food pyramid is but one example. Many scientists and doctors will tell you that there is too much grain in the food pyramid. Some will tell you that animal fat is good others not. For every food there is debate so how does the average person know to do the right thing particularly when food advertisements advocate for their so called healthy diet food with too much sugar and highly refined carbohydrates and processed seed oils.
I don't know Grandan... but read his/her previous posts in this topic... a wealth of accurate information... even if some hear think it is radical thinking... makes me wonder how they think of open heart surgery is normal and informed eating is radical?!
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Merry wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:52 am
captkirkcanada wrote: May 16th, 2022, 9:23 am
lots people died that didn't have diabetes though from the virus. anyways america needs to get off the processed food train or this disease will keep on injuring and costing americans billions in unnecessary costs
Yes, lots of people who died did not have diabetes. BUT throughout most of the pandemic, diabetes was listed as being the most prevalent comorbidity in those who did die.
No diabetes is not the most prevalent, it might have been mentioned more often, but there are many conditions, and actually age has had the greatest effect on risk.
" the odds ratios for severe disease were 2.87 for a 10-year increase in age and 1.63 for male sex. In the case-control analysis, the strongest risk factor was residence in a care home, with rate ratio 21.4 (95% CI 19.1-23.9, p = 8 × 10-644). Univariate rate ratios for conditions listed by public health agencies as conferring high risk were 2.75 (95% CI 1.96-3.88, p = 6 × 10-9) for type 1 diabetes, 1.60 (95% CI 1.48-1.74, p = 8 × 10-30) for type 2 diabetes, 1.49 (95% CI 1.37-1.61, p = 3 × 10-21) for ischemic heart disease, 2.23 (95% CI 2.08-2.39, p = 4 × 10-109) for other heart disease, 1.96 (95% CI 1.83-2.10, p = 2 × 10-78) for chronic lower respiratory tract disease, 4.06 (95% CI 3.15-5.23, p = 3 × 10-27) for chronic kidney disease, 5.4 (95% CI 4.9-5.8, p = 1 × 10-354) for neurological disease, 3.61 (95% CI 2.60-5.00, p = 2 × 10-14) for chronic liver disease, and 2.66 (95% CI 1.86-3.79, p = 7 × 10-8) for immune deficiency or suppression. Seventy-eight percent of cases and 52% of controls had at least one listed condition (51% of cases and 11% of controls under age 40). Severe disease was associated with encashment of at least one prescription in the past 9 months and with at least one hospital admission in the past 5 years (rate ratios 3.10 [95% CI 2.59-3.71] and 2.75 [95% CI 2.53-2.99], respectively) even after adjusting for the listed conditions. In those without listed conditions, significant associations with severe disease were seen across many hospital diagnoses and drug categories. Age and sex provided 2.58 bits of information for discrimination."

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