Gun Control

[foenix]

.......except most gun violence in Canada is by suicide. I know it's inconvenient topic for gun owners but that's a fact and a public heath issue.

We've had this discussion before, you can't win when the only point you make has nothing to do with real life. I think we would all be better served if you worked on banning cancer. I'd be with you all the way

So suicide by guns isn't real life?

[mikest2]

We've had this discussion before, you can't win when the only point you make has nothing to do with real life. I think we would all be better served if you worked on banning cancer. I'd be with you all the way

So suicide by guns isn't real life?

Real life, but guns are way down the list, you have to ban a whole bunch of other stuff before guns even matter. Liberal priorities are simply lip service. Let's go hard on lawful gun owners, but reduce the minimum sentences for criminal offences with firearms. Justify (Haha) that !!
Pulling in the nets now, I've limited out, switching to barbless

[seewood]

So what about numbers for
Slit wrists
Pills
Jumping
Etc... etc

I remember suicide by Semi was popular method.

Spent 20 years in POC fire departments. Responded to a number of suicides and attempted suicides. Not one was with a fire arm.
The current firearm laws Canada has is just about right. The ban on some of the recent list of firearms is a stretch, especially the one where "whitey's" are banned from some semi automatics ( not assault guns) but first nations can continue to possess them. Totally hypocritical, but that's politicians for you.

[featfan]

*removed*

[mikest2]

*removed*

Dang, I missed it !!

[featfan]

One good guy alive with a gun beats 100 criminals dead.

[the truth]

One good guy alive with a gun beats 100 criminals dead.

1 milliojn dead criminals

[Nedroj]

So suicide by guns isn't real life?

A quick StatsCAN search will prove you are wrong.
From 2000-2009
Firearms used in suicide account for only 20% of cases.
Hanging (for men) and Poisoning (for women) are the vast majority of suicide methods. 40-45%

With only 277 homicides committed using firearms out of 743 total Homicides in Canada in 2020 and over 55% of those firearm-related homicides are Gang related.

Canada doesn't have a gun control problem.

[foenix]

So suicide by guns isn't real life?

A quick StatsCAN search will prove you are wrong.
From 2000-2009
Firearms used in suicide account for only 20% of cases.
Hanging (for men) and Poisoning (for women) are the vast majority of suicide methods. 40-45%

With only 277 homicides committed using firearms out of 743 total Homicides in Canada in 2020 and over 55% of those firearm-related homicides are Gang related.

Canada doesn't have a gun control problem.

Why is my statement wrong again?

So suicide by guns isn't real life?

I'm pretty sure suicide by guns is real life.....you're pretty much not gonna come back if one dies....it won't be like in the comic books........the rest is just more deflection and excuses.

We can all strive to be better, in our case that would be in places like UK, Australia, Japan and Germany.

Four countries with gun control – and what America could learn from them

c.PNG

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... un-control

[Nedroj]

A quick StatsCAN search will prove you are wrong.
From 2000-2009
Firearms used in suicide account for only 20% of cases.
Hanging (for men) and Poisoning (for women) are the vast majority of suicide methods. 40-45%

With only 277 homicides committed using firearms out of 743 total Homicides in Canada in 2020 and over 55% of those firearm-related homicides are Gang related.

Canada doesn't have a gun control problem.

Why is my statement wrong again?

So suicide by guns isn't real life?

I'm pretty sure suicide by guns is real life.....you're pretty much not gonna come back if one dies....it won't be like in the comic books........the rest is just more deflection and excuses.

We can all strive to be better, in our case that would be in places like UK, Australia, Japan and Germany.

Four countries with gun control – and what America could learn from them

c.PNG

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... un-control

You tried to make the point that Suicide by firearms is a major contributor to the suicide rate in CANADA and that's why we need better gun control. I showed proof that Hanging and Poisoning are the majority method of suicide, not firearms in Canada.

Now you are showing a graph of Gun Homicides in the USA.

USA:

All injury deaths
Number of deaths: 278,345
Deaths per 100,000 population: 84.5
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER

All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 97,034
Deaths per 100,000 population: 29.5
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 40,698
Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.4
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER

All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 45,222
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.7
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER

All Drug overdose deaths
Number of deaths: 91,799
Deaths per 100,000 population: 27.9
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

Here is a list from 2021 that ranks and lists the causes of deaths in the USA and Gun homicides are at the very bottom of it.

Number1 Cause of death (based on ICD–10)
1# Salmonella infections . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A01–A02)
2# Shigellosis and amebiasis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (A03,A06)
3 Certain other intestinal infections . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (A04,A07–A09)
# Tuberculosis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A16–A19)
4 Respiratory tuberculosis. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A16)
5 Other tuberculosis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A17–A19)
6# Whooping cough . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A37)
7# Scarlet fever and erysipelas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (A38,A46)
8# Meningococcal infection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A39)
9# Septicemia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A40–A41)
10# Syphilis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A50–A53)
11# Acute poliomyelitis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A80)
12# Arthropod-borne viral encephalitis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A83–A84,A85.2)
13# Measles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(B05)
14# Viral hepatitis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(B15–B19)
15# Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(B20–B24)
16# Malaria . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(B50–B54)
17 Other and unspecified infectious and parasitic diseases and their sequelae . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A00,A05,A20–A36,A42–A44,A48–A49,A54–A79,A81–A82,
A85.0–A85.1,A85.8,A86–B04,B06–B09,B25–B49,B55–B99)
# Malignant neoplasms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C00–C97)
18 Malignant neoplasms of lip, oral cavity and pharynx . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C00–C14)
19 Malignant neoplasm of esophagus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C15)
20 Malignant neoplasm of stomach. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C16)
21 Malignant neoplasms of colon, rectum and anus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C18–C21)
22 Malignant neoplasms of liver and intrahepatic bile ducts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C22)
23 Malignant neoplasm of pancreas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C25)
24 Malignant neoplasm of larynx . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C32)
25 Malignant neoplasms of trachea, bronchus and lung . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C33–C34)
26 Malignant melanoma of skin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C43)
27 Malignant neoplasm of breast . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C50)
28 Malignant neoplasm of cervix uteri . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C53)
29 Malignant neoplasms of corpus uteri and uterus, part unspecified . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C54–C55)
30 Malignant neoplasm of ovary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C56)
31 Malignant neoplasm of prostate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C61)
32 Malignant neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C64–C65)
33 Malignant neoplasm of bladder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C67)
34 Malignant neoplasms of meninges, brain and other parts of central nervous system . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C70–C72)
Malignant neoplasms of lymphoid, hematopoietic and related tissue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C81–C96)
35 Hodgkin disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C81)
36 Non-Hodgkin lymphoma . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C82–C85)
37 Leukemia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C91–C95)
38 Multiple myeloma and immunoproliferative neoplasms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (C88,C90)
39 Other and unspecified malignant neoplasms of lymphoid, hematopoietic and related tissue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C96)
40 All other and unspecified malignant neoplasms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (C17,C23–C24,C26–C31,C37–C41,C44–C49,C51–C52,
C57–C60,C62–C63,C66,C68–C69,C73–C80,C97)
41# In situ neoplasms, benign neoplasms and neoplasms of uncertain or unknown behavior . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(D00–D48)
42# Anemias . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(D50–D64)
43# Diabetes mellitus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (E10–E14)
# Nutritional deficiencies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (E40–E64)
44 Malnutrition . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (E40–E46)
45 Other nutritional deficiencies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (E50–E64)
46# Meningitis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (G00,G03)
47# Parkinson disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(G20–G21)
48# Alzheimer disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(G30)
Major cardiovascular diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I00–I78)
# Diseases of heart . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I00–I09,I11,I13,I20–I51)
49 Acute rheumatic fever and chronic rheumatic heart diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I00–I09)
50 Hypertensive heart disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I11)
51 Hypertensive heart and renal disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I13)
Ischemic heart diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I20–I25)
52 Acute myocardial infarction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I21–I22)
53 Other acute ischemic heart diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I24)
Other forms of chronic ischemic heart disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I20,I25)
54 Atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, so described . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I25.0)
55 All other forms of chronic ischemic heart disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I20,I25.1–I25.9)
Other heart diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I26–I51)
56 Acute and subacute endocarditis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I33)
57 Diseases of pericardium and acute myocarditis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I30–I31,I40)
58 Heart failure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I50)
59 All other forms of heart disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I26–I28,I34–I38,I42–I49,I51)
60# Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I10,I12,I15)
61# Cerebrovascular diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I60–I69)
62# Atherosclerosis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I70)
Other diseases of circulatory system . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I71–I78)
63# Aortic aneurysm and dissection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I71)
64 Other diseases of arteries, arterioles and capillaries . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I72–I78)
65 Other disorders of circulatory system . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I80–I99)
# Influenza and pneumonia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J09–J18)
66 Influenza . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J09–J11)
67 Pneumonia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J12–J18)
Other acute lower respiratory infections . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J20–J22,U04)
68# Acute bronchitis and bronchiolitis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J20–J21)
69 Other and unspecified acute lower respiratory infection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J22,U04)
# Chronic lower respiratory diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J40–J47)
70 Bronchitis, chronic and unspecified . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J40–J42)
71 Emphysema . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J43)
72 Asthma . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J45–J46)
73 Other chronic lower respiratory diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(J44,J47)
74# Pneumoconioses and chemical effects . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(J60–J66,J68)
75# Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J69)
76 Other diseases of respiratory system . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (J00–J06,J30–J39,J67,J70–J98)
77# Peptic ulcer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(K25–K28)
78# Diseases of appendix . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(K35–K38)
79# Hernia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(K40–K46)
# Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (K70,K73–K74)
80 Alcoholic liver disease . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(K70)
81 Other chronic liver disease and cirrhosis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(K73–K74)
82# Cholelithiasis and other disorders of gallbladder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(K80–K82)
# Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(N00–N07,N17–N19,N25–N27)
83 Acute and rapidly progressive nephritic and nephrotic syndrome . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(N00–N01,N04)
84 Chronic glomerulonephritis, nephritis and nephropathy not specified as acute or
chronic, and renal sclerosis unspecified . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(N02–N03,N05–N07,N26)
85 Renal failure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(N17–N19)
86 Other disorders of kidney . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (N25,N27)
87# Infections of kidney . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (N10–N12,N13.6,N15.1)
88# Hyperplasia of prostate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(N40)
89# Inflammatory diseases of female pelvic organs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(N70–N76)
# Pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperium . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(O00–O99)
90 Pregnancy with abortive outcome . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(O00–O07)
91 Other complications of pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperium . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(O10–O99)
92# Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(P00–P96)
93# Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Q00–Q99)
94 Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings, not elsewhere classified . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(R00–R99)
95 All other diseases . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(residual)
# Accidents (unintentional injuries) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (V01–X59,Y85–Y86)
Transport accidents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (V01–V99,Y85)
96 Motor vehicle accidents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (V02–V04,V09.0,V09.2,V12–V14,V19.0–V19.2,V19.4–V19.6,V20–V79,V80.3–V80.5,V81.0–V81.1,
V82.0–V82.1,V83–V86,V87.0–V87.8,V88.0–V88.8,V89.0,V89.2)
97 Other land transport accidents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (V01,V05–V06,V09.1,V09.3–V09.9,V10–V11,V15–V18,V19.3,V19.8–V19.9,V80.0–V80.2,
V80.6–V80.9,V81.2–V81.9,V82.2–V82.9,V87.9,V88.9,V89.1,V89.3,V89.9)
98 Water, air and space, and other and unspecified transport accidents and their sequelae . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (V90–V99,Y85)
Nontransport accidents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(W00–X59,Y86)
99 Falls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(W00–W19)
100 Accidental discharge of firearms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(W32–W34)
101 Accidental drowning and submersion . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(W65–W74)
102 Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(X00–X09)
103 Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(X40–X49)
104 Other and unspecified nontransport accidents and their sequelae . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (W20–W31,W35–W64,W75–W99,X10–X39,X50–X59,Y86)
# Intentional self-harm (suicide) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (*U03,X60–X84,Y87.0)
105 Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(X72–X74)
106 Intentional self-harm (suicide) by other and unspecified means and their sequelae . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (*U03,X60–X71,X75–X84,Y87.0)
# Assault (homicide) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(*U01–*U02,X85–Y09,Y87.1)
107 Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(*U01.4,X93–X95)
108 Assault (homicide) by other and unspecified means and their sequelae. . . . . . . . . . . (*U01.0–*U01.3,*U01.5–*U01.9,*U02,X85–X92,X96–Y09,Y87.1)
109# Legal intervention . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Y35,Y89.0)
Events of undetermined intent . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Y10–Y34,Y87.2,Y89.9)
110 Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Y22–Y24)
111 Other and unspecified events of undetermined intent and their sequelae . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Y10–Y21,Y25–Y34,Y87.2,Y89.9)
112# Operations of war and their sequelae . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Y36,Y89.1)
113# Complications of medical and surgical care . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Y40–Y84,Y88)
# Enterocolitis due to Clostridium difficile. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(A04.7)2

[foenix]

Why is my statement wrong again?

I'm pretty sure suicide by guns is real life.....you're pretty much not gonna come back if one dies....it won't be like in the comic books........the rest is just more deflection and excuses.

We can all strive to be better, in our case that would be in places like UK, Australia, Japan and Germany.

Four countries with gun control – and what America could learn from them

c.PNG

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... un-control

You tried to make the point that Suicide by firearms is a major contributor to the suicide rate in CANADA and that's why we need better gun control. I showed proof that Hanging and Poisoning are the majority method of suicide, not firearms in Canada.

That's not what I wrote and have been writing.....here it is again for people with reading comprehension. I wrote,

majority of gun violence in Canada is suicide by guns

.......see the difference.......and thanks for the pointless and off topic post after the reading problem.

[Nedroj]

That's not what I wrote and have been writing.....here it is again for people with reading comprehension. I wrote,

majority of gun violence in Canada is suicide by guns

.......see the difference.......and thanks for the pointless and off topic post after the reading problem.

Total firearm suicide rates per 100,000 population vary considerably from one country to another. Canada’s total suicide rate of 12.9 is similar to Australia (12.7), Norway (12.3), and the United States (11.5). Estonia (40) and Japan (17.9) are among the countries that have higher rates than Canada, while several other countries have rates below one per 100,000 population (United Nations, 1998: 112-113).

So we have a higher rate of suicide using firearms than the USA, but lower than Japan and similar rates to Australia and Norway.

But those two countries (Aus and Norway) have much stricter gun control laws than Canada so that doesnt make sense to your argument about more gun control.

If they are going to commit suicide they are going to commit it using whatever means they have. Just so happens that Shooting oneself is rather quick and painless compared to hanging or poisoning.

This is proven by the suicide rate in Australia before and after the weapons ban. The Suicide rate didn't go down it just switched from using guns to using a different method.

[foenix]

That's not what I wrote and have been writing.....here it is again for people with reading comprehension. I wrote,.......see the difference.......and thanks for the pointless and off topic post after the reading problem.

Total firearm suicide rates per 100,000 population vary considerably from one country to another. Canada’s total suicide rate of 12.9 is similar to Australia (12.7), Norway (12.3), and the United States (11.5). Estonia (40) and Japan (17.9) are among the countries that have higher rates than Canada, while several other countries have rates below one per 100,000 population (United Nations, 1998: 112-113).

So we have a higher rate of suicide using firearms than the USA, but lower than Japan and similar rates to Australia and Norway.

But those two countries (Aus and Norway) have much stricter gun control laws than Canada so that doesnt make sense to your argument about more gun control.

If they are going to commit suicide they are going to commit it using whatever means they have. Just so happens that Shooting oneself is rather quick and painless compared to hanging or poisoning.

This is proven by the suicide rate in Australia before and after the weapons ban. The Suicide rate didn't go down it just switched from using guns to using a different method.

It accounts for.......

In Canada, about 80 percent of firearm-related deaths are suicides

and in 2019, it's slightly down......

One might be surprised to learn that 75 per cent of Canadian gun deaths are suicides.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/colum ... r-controls

Yes it's true about someone committing to kill themselves but it's also true that most of them try multiple times to kill themselves. If they use other methods other than guns, the chance are good that somewhere down the line they might be save or talked out of it........not so if one use a gun to blow their brains out......that's basically a one time decision.

[mikest2]

You tried to make the point that Suicide by firearms is a major contributor to the suicide rate in CANADA and that's why we need better gun control. I showed proof that Hanging and Poisoning are the majority method of suicide, not firearms in Canada.

That's not what I wrote and have been writing.....here it is again for people with reading comprehension. I wrote,

majority of gun violence in Canada is suicide by guns

.......see the difference.......and thanks for the pointless and off topic post after the reading problem.

Suicide is not violence, hence firearm suicides are not violence, ergo not gun violence. Otherwise I am sure you would be quite concerned about poisoning violence, hanging violence, and drug overdose violence as well

[foenix]

That's not what I wrote and have been writing.....here it is again for people with reading comprehension. I wrote,.......see the difference.......and thanks for the pointless and off topic post after the reading problem.

Suicide is not violence, hence firearm suicides are not violence, ergo not gun violence. Otherwise I am sure you would be quite concerned about poisoning violence, hanging violence, and drug overdose violence as well

Many many peeps would disagree with you on that.......but nice try with the deflection.

When it comes to the data, public health officials and academics are pretty specific in the way they describe shootings. The CDC defines “firearm violence” as shootings that are self-inflicted; unintentional; the result of interpersonal violence; and officer-involved. WISQARS, the CDC’s fatal injury database, allows people to filter cause-of-death data by “cause or mechanism of the injury” and includes “firearms” as an option. The resulting report is headlined simply “Firearm Deaths and Rates.”..........

Canada, for example, considers suicide by firearm to be gun violence and includes gun suicides in its firearm injury statistics, said a spokesperson for the country’s public safety agency.

“Certainly, firearm suicide is generally considered to be a ‘gun violence’ issue in Australia, the U.K., Canada, New Zealand, and in most European nations,” said Philip Alpers, a public health professor at the University of Sydney in Australia and director of GunPolicy.Org, a website that’s tracked global civilian gun ownership and deaths for nearly two decades.

Alpers and his fellow academics in Australia refer to gun suicides as gun violence and also “firearm-related violence.”

https://www.thetrace.org/2021/12/gun-vi ... ng-deaths/

Canada’s gun-violence epidemic doesn’t look like what you might think

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... ght-think/