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Nedroj wrote: May 31st, 2022, 11:11 am
foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 10:38 am .....Yet the 640 that use firearms to kill themselves has a success rate close to 90%......and knowing, suicide takes multiple attempts

So we're comparing abortions to massing shootings now? Deflect much.
Im comparing the "Pro-Abortion" rights people screaming about their rights being taken away with the pro-gun people having their rights taken away. Seems similar enough, both are having rights taken away.

Except
One takes a life 100% of the time. The other does not.
......Except this thread isn't about abortions and no one in Canada is screaming about abortions being taken away now are they?
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foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 11:47 am
Nedroj wrote: May 31st, 2022, 11:11 am

Im comparing the "Pro-Abortion" rights people screaming about their rights being taken away with the pro-gun people having their rights taken away. Seems similar enough, both are having rights taken away.

Except
One takes a life 100% of the time. The other does not.
......Except this thread isn't about abortions and no one in Canada is screaming about abortions being taken away now are they?
Actually, a lot of women here in Canada were screaming about what happened in the USA. Like it affects them in any sort of way.

In the same way, all of you were screaming for more Gun-Control here in Canada because something happened in the USA.

But back to the topic

Its funny that you fail to address the Canadian Stats on Mass killings.

The worst case of mass killing in Canada was on 1972 Sept 1: The Bluebird Cafe Fire
The Bluebird cafe fire killed 37 people. No firearms were used.......

Seems like the total methods used to commit mass killings here in Canada in the last 100 years is:

7 used a firearm
5 used Axe, vehicle, Knife, Fire (Arson)

Last 6 mass killings in Canada:

1) June 6 2021, London Ontario - Vehicle - 4 dead 1 injured
2) April 19 2020, Nova Scotia - Firearms - 22 dead 3 injured
3) April 23 2018, Toronto, Ontario - Vehicle - 11 dead 15 injured
4) Jan 29 2017, Quebec City, Quebec - Firearms - 6 dead 19 injured
5) April 15 2014, Calgary, Alberta - Knife - 5 dead *Stabbed to death at a house party
6) April 8 2006, Shedden, Ontario - Firearms - 8 dead *Gang killing of own gang members
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Nedroj wrote: May 31st, 2022, 9:30 am
foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 9:12 am

So what happened to that "good guys" argument in Uvalde, Texas?.....and Buffalo.....and Lakeland.......and.....and.....and...

Uvalde, Buffalo Shootings Expose the Myth of the ‘Good Guy With a Gun’



https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/ ... with-a-gun

Republicans’ “Good Guy With a Gun” Calls Look Even More Absurd in Wake of Disastrous Police Response During Texas School Shooting



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05 ... l-shooting
Actually, the officer that shot and killed the shooter in fact had a gun. Without it, he would have been dead with the rest.

So a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.

There are lots of examples where a good person with a Legally owned gun stopped a bad person with a gun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-w ... r/2290236/
Actually, one of the "officers" who stopped the leftist lunatic Ramos in Uvalde wasn't an on duty policeman. He was an off duty agent and at the barber's and had no firearm when he got a text about the shootings at his child's school. He took the barber's shotgun, went to the school, and helped to stop the deranged killer. How much worse could the outcome have been if the barber was banned from owning a shotgun via a Trudeau-esq confiscation?

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Gone_Fishin wrote: May 31st, 2022, 12:26 pm
Nedroj wrote: May 31st, 2022, 9:30 am

Actually, the officer that shot and killed the shooter in fact had a gun. Without it, he would have been dead with the rest.

So a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.

There are lots of examples where a good person with a Legally owned gun stopped a bad person with a gun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-w ... r/2290236/
Actually, one of the "officers" who stopped the leftist lunatic Ramos in Uvalde wasn't an on duty policeman. He was an off duty agent and at the barber's and had no firearm when he got a text about the shootings at his child's school. He took the barber's shotgun, went to the school, and helped to stop the deranged killer. How much worse could the outcome have been if the barber was banned from owning a shotgun via a Trudeau-esq confiscation?

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Gone_Fishin wrote: May 31st, 2022, 12:26 pm

Actually, one of the "officers" who stopped the leftist lunatic Ramos in Uvalde wasn't an on duty policeman. He was an off duty agent and at the barber's and had no firearm when he got a text about the shootings at his child's school. He took the barber's shotgun, went to the school, and helped to stop the deranged killer. How much worse could the outcome have been if the barber was banned from owning a shotgun via a Trudeau-esq confiscation?
Actually the good "officer" did nothing like his on duty good cops with guns until the 19 children was slaughtered an hour after the shooting started......so much for the "good" guy with a gun argument.
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Nedroj wrote: May 31st, 2022, 12:21 pm
foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 11:47 am

......Except this thread isn't about abortions and no one in Canada is screaming about abortions being taken away now are they?
Actually, a lot of women here in Canada were screaming about what happened in the USA. Like it affects them in any sort of way.

In the same way, all of you were screaming for more Gun-Control here in Canada because something happened in the USA.

But back to the topic
The above and below the "back to the topic" isn't about guns, is it? .....so it's more off topic deflections.

.....and something did happen here in Canada recently with an AR15 and 22 dead shooting victims.
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foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 12:38 pm
Nedroj wrote: May 31st, 2022, 12:21 pm

Actually, a lot of women here in Canada were screaming about what happened in the USA. Like it affects them in any sort of way.

In the same way, all of you were screaming for more Gun-Control here in Canada because something happened in the USA.

But back to the topic
The above and below the "back to the topic" isn't about guns, is it? .....so it's more off topic deflections.

.....and something did happen here in Canada recently with an AR15 and 22 dead shooting victims.
Yeah and as I pointed out multiple times none of Justine Trudeau's recent changes to Gun rights/laws would have prevented that tragedy from happening. But keep your head in the sand ignoring that fact.
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Majority of Canadians don't share your view.....so there's that. :biggrin:
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foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 1:01 pm Majority of Canadians don't share your view.....so there's that. :biggrin:
So you are saying that the majority of Canadians don't believe in facts, statistics, and logic?
Or do you perhaps think that Justine Trudeau is deliberately misleading Canadians with disinformation?

Also, the majority of Canadians think Jesus, Mohammed, and God are real and they will go to "hell" if they dont follow their religious texts. Doesn't make it true, does it?
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I'm sure the disinformation is on both sides of the issue.....like it always is. I'm also certain, both sides believe the "truth" is also on their side.

Canadians favour stricter gun control, mandatory buyback of banned firearms: Poll
In general, however, a strong majority (66 per cent) supported stricter gun-control laws, while just 10 per cent said control measures should be relaxed and 19 per cent said they should remain as is.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadians ... -1.5368354
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This same topic will be on here in four years getting more and more radical as the election nears . Need them votes.
I will still own and have my same firearms locked up in my vaults as I do now only l most likely need to add a third vault .
I really have always wanted a 50 caliber Barret and seeing I just got a new vault.
In ten years them same guns will be in them same vaults and nothing will have changed .
This law does nothing...
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You never know, we will just have to see in 4 years time.....the gun legislation did something in Australia and gun legislation in Japan and UK seems like it's "not doing anything" either.
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FWIW, even I think some of the new proposals are an overreach and miss the mark entirely. It's not enough to change my vote, the opposition party would still need to come up with leaders I could trust and some policy I believe in, but yes, I'm not impressed.

It just looks like a desperate and ill-conceived attempt to change the channel. A little too opportunistic, in the way it follows the US tragedy, for my liking.
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foenix wrote: May 31st, 2022, 1:26 pm You never know, we will just have to see in 4 years time.....the gun legislation did something in Australia and gun legislation in Japan and UK seems like it's "not doing anything" either.
The gun legislation didn't do anything in Australia.

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