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oil is so clean , its going to cost the nl taxpayers 180 million in a secret deal the govt says it wants to keep secret . [icon_lol2.gif] [icon_lol2.gif]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.6481436
The new owners of the Come By Chance refinery are going to court to block the release of an agreement with the provincial government that could put Newfoundland and Labrador taxpayers on the hook for up to $180 million in environmental liabilities.

CBC News had filed an access-to-information request for those records six months ago.

In a recent report, the province's information and privacy commissioner said the document should be made public, leaving a Newfoundland and Labrador Supreme Court challenge as the last option for the owners to stop that from happening.
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we keep hearing from the oil addicts that you cant use solar panels above the equator because not enough sunshine lol , i say oh yea?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6481761
Since last October, the Haida carver has been teaming up with brother Gwaai to carve a totem pole in honour of Kaay'ahl Laanas hereditary chief Watson Price (Gaahlaay) at a workshop in Masset powered by 18 solar panels that can generate as much as 40 kWh of electricity a day — enough to fully charge a small electric car.

Edenshaw, a member of the Ts'aahl Eagle Clan, is renowned for his traditional creations, including masks, canoes, and 13-metre high red cedar totem poles that are on display in galleries around the world.
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I say if one wants to reduce the CO2 going into the atmosphere, stop the increase in coal fired electrical generation, however it appears to be going the other way :
“Both China and India, the biggest coal-consuming nations, have been ramping up output from mines in recent weeks to ease an autumn energy crisis that caused widespread power shortages and disrupted industrial activity,” Bloomberg Green reported. According to the news agency, the two countries mine 14 million tons of coal per day, and account for 95 per cent of the new coal-fired power plants brought online over the last decade — 444.2 gigawatts (GW) in China, and 113.7 GW in India. "

All this desire for ev's, windy/ solar will help in a micro way and perhaps let some feel good about their contribution to reverse climate change, but good o'l earth needs more.

https://capital.com/china-india-set-to- ... 20a%20year.

Read that Europe's move away from coal and gas generated electrical production has been surpassed by India and China's increase in Coal fire generation
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seewood wrote: Jun 11th, 2022, 7:41 am I say if one wants to reduce the CO2 going into the atmosphere, stop the increase in coal fired electrical generation, however it appears to be going the other way :
“Both China and India, the biggest coal-consuming nations, have been ramping up output from mines in recent weeks to ease an autumn energy crisis that caused widespread power shortages and disrupted industrial activity,” Bloomberg Green reported. According to the news agency, the two countries mine 14 million tons of coal per day, and account for 95 per cent of the new coal-fired power plants brought online over the last decade — 444.2 gigawatts (GW) in China, and 113.7 GW in India. "

All this desire for ev's, windy/ solar will help in a micro way and perhaps let some feel good about their contribution to reverse climate change, but good o'l earth needs more.

https://capital.com/china-india-set-to- ... 20a%20year.

Read that Europe's move away from coal and gas generated electrical production has been surpassed by India and China's increase in Coal fire generation
Yup! Although, do EVs, wind and solar help in a micro way? Maybe, but not if one includes all the environmental damage caused by wind and solar. They are time wasters and virtue signalers at best. As they say, "without energy density, you require resource intensity".

Renewables have just about reached their peak efficiency too. Turbines can't get much better and either can solar panels. Every time Capt buys a Chinese blood panel (made by slave labour) they have to build a whole new coal fired plant to do it. There is a long break-even point for solar so they need longer and more direct sunlight.

One can't run a country on intermittent renewables. When renewables are built, they also build fossil fuel plants as back up. The sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow.

Back in 2016, Germany increased the number of turbines by 11%, but electrical production dropped 2% because, there wasn't enough wind. Pretty stupid.

Coal use keeps increasing. It is hard to replace coal as an energy and heat source for industry.

One has to admire France for using safe clean nuclear to generate more than 70% of their power. Compared to Germany, France electric rates are half, and France is cleaner without all the goofy renewables. France plans to build 8 more reactors.
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captkirkcanada wrote: Jun 9th, 2022, 9:04 am we keep hearing from the oil addicts that you cant use solar panels above the equator because not enough sunshine lol , i say oh yea?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6481761
Just because the panels have an 40kwh rating does not mean they will generate that amount. In fact, I have been to the Queen Charlotte Islands and know quite well the amount of sunshine they get. Sweet foxtrot alpha.
They will be lucky to average 5kwh per day. Rarely will they ever get the 40kwh per day.
About 32% of possible daylight hours are bright sunshine hours for Sandspit, the only site on the islands with historical info on sunshine.
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JagXKR wrote: Jun 11th, 2022, 11:05 am
Just because the panels have an 40kwh rating does not mean they will generate that amount. In fact, I have been to the Queen Charlotte Islands and know quite well the amount of sunshine they get. Sweet foxtrot alpha.
They will be lucky to average 5kwh per day. Rarely will they ever get the 40kwh per day.
About 32% of possible daylight hours are bright sunshine hours for Sandspit, the only site on the islands with historical info on sunshine.
https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_n ... dispBack=1
And the alleged maximum would only be available if the panel(s) are perpendicular to the sun's position so they would have to be manually or automatically adjusted throughout the daylight hours to maintain that. Otherwise, the output would vary dependent on the suns position. A bit of Trig. would explain it all.
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Jlabute wrote: Jun 11th, 2022, 10:53 am Yup! Although, do EVs, wind and solar help in a micro way? Maybe, but not if one includes all the environmental damage caused by wind and solar. They are time wasters and virtue signalers at best. As they say, "without energy density, you require resource intensity".

Renewables have just about reached their peak efficiency too. Turbines can't get much better and either can solar panels. Every time Capt buys a Chinese blood panel (made by slave labour) they have to build a whole new coal fired plant to do it. There is a long break-even point for solar so they need longer and more direct sunlight.

One can't run a country on intermittent renewables. When renewables are built, they also build fossil fuel plants as back up. The sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow.

Back in 2016, Germany increased the number of turbines by 11%, but electrical production dropped 2% because, there wasn't enough wind. Pretty stupid.

Coal use keeps increasing. It is hard to replace coal as an energy and heat source for industry.

One has to admire France for using safe clean nuclear to generate more than 70% of their power. Compared to Germany, France electric rates are half, and France is cleaner without all the goofy renewables. France plans to build 8 more reactors.
^^^ :up: :up:
Most smart energy gurus will say safe nuclear is the way to go if countries want to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and replace it with an energy producing system(s) that are not dependent on weather.

Windy /solar might be an interim solution but either require a pretty good duplication/over production of renewable or a back up system is required to keep industry and the populace happy.
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For all those concerned about toxic materials from mining , here you go , fill your boots .

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/06/ ... -dust-bowl
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captkirkcanada wrote: Jun 12th, 2022, 8:30 am For all those concerned about toxic materials from mining , here you go , fill your boots .

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/06/ ... -dust-bowl
and?

The Great Salt Lake? Oooohhhh, it’s a lake, not a mine.

The lake used to be half the size of Utah 16000 years ago. Evaporation and drought cause the lake level to highly fluctuate. The lowest level of this shallow lake was in the early 60’s, and the highest level in the last 100 years was in the 90’s. Climatic patterns will eventually bring more run off to fill it up. Of course, it has been getting smaller for 16000 years.
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Well if you read the link it says why i wrote that . It very much has to do with mining . It is very clear in the article why it is linked to mining. An its a way bigger threat than a lithium mine could ever be as it involves arsnic and heavy metals .

I know if i was reading this thread for the first time where i would put my money and it wouldnt be opinions , educated or UNeducated :smt045 :up:
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The Aral Sea has dried up at an astonishing rate too, being sucked off to industries and farming, water diversions, etc. I am just curious if the same concerns of blow off from winds over previously underwater sands is a concern as well to human inhalation.

Or, maybe just in N. America?
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Ice cores show temperatures were much warmer 4000 years ago, without the CO2 we have today. Temperature are rising today because we have headed out of a little ice age. This makes sense since sea levels were about 10 feet higher back then too.
They found that if they go back about 4,000 years ago, they have temperatures that were two-and-a-half degrees warmer on average than today.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/green ... years-ago/

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captkirkcanada wrote: Jun 12th, 2022, 3:15 pm I know if i was reading this thread for the first time where i would put my money and it wouldn't be opinions , educated or UNeducated :smt045 :up:
Obviously, you put your money in the 'could', 'maybe', 'ya never know' of activists, and the gravitational effect of the dust around Uranus, and rarely in science.
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So can anyone guess what this image is? Or what it represents?
Stay tuned for the answer. :biggrin:
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Australia where almost a third of all households are equipped with rooftop solar. Australia has the highest penetration rate in the world. Over the past two years, and in the midst of a pandemic, over 3 gigawatts (GW) of rooftop solar were installed. If we add commercial and industrial rooftop systems, we get a combined total rooftop solar capacity of 17 GW at the end of 2021.
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/12/ca ... seholders/

Interesting tidbit considering we have been told austrailia was rejecting renewables but alas a third there have solar with it gaining steam .
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