Ukraine war/President/news

[Drip_Torch]

... especially those stuck under the Ukrainian rule.

Missed this part, I guess I replied to quick. It reminds me of the time I said Nazis extinguished 30,000 Ukrainian lives in two days. Some thoughtless wonder on here corrected me, "they were Jews and ethnic Poles". Like he couldn't even see what's wrong with that reply.

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine are Ukrainian. If they don't want to be Ukrainian, they can go to Russia. Just like my friend, who after serving as a conscript, took three contracts with the Russian MOD (VDV officer if you want to know the truth) so that he could emigrate with his wife to Canada.

He's Canadian. Good grief. [smh]

[DataCruncher]

-Russia and NATO have never been so close to actual direct conflict, conventional or nuclear, than they are now, said the head of the General Staff of the Czech Army, Karel Řehka, at Monday’s conference on Russian power and influence against Central Europe.

-The general said that a conflict between Russia and NATO would have a significant impact on Czechia. He described the situation as “serious,” saying that despite decades of animosity, the threat of an outright conflict between the two powers is now dire.


We've Never Been Closer To A Conflict Between Russia & NATO, Warns Top Czech General


>> https://www.zerohedge.com/military/weve ... ch-general

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-Because of course it's fantastic timing... NATO plans to go through with scheduled nuclear exercises next week despite the ratcheting nuclear rhetoric surrounding the Russia-Ukraine war, which also only days ago saw President Joe Biden warn of the risk of the world witnessing "Armageddon" in highly controversial remarks.


NATO To Proceed With Planned Nuclear Exercises Next Week




>> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... -next-week

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WAR = Demz keep the house.

[BC Landlord]

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine are Ukrainian. If they don't want to be Ukrainian, they can go to Russia.

Many countries fell apart in the past because some of their citizens did not want to be subjected to their abusive governments. The secession of Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine is not a precedent. I would say, .. let them secede peacefully. They have the right to choose.

[alanjh595]

I find that I am comparing what Russia is doing to Ukraine greatly resembles what the Canadian churches did to the natives.

[BC Landlord]

I find that I am comparing what Russia is doing to Ukraine greatly resembles what the Canadian churches did to the natives.

I don't see any resemblance there. In fact, it's more like the other way around, ... Ukraine attempting to oppress and terrorize Russian-speaking population. This all started right after the 2014 coup. No coincidence.

[Tyrian-Quill]

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine are Ukrainian. If they don't want to be Ukrainian, they can go to Russia.

Many countries have fallen apart in the past because some of their citizens did not want to be subjected to their abusive governments. The secession of Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine is not a precedent. I would say, .. let them secede peacefully. They have the right to choose.

Sovereignty is a serious matter, it is the authority of a state to govern itself.

In working to keep things clear-

understanding that:

annexation, a formal act whereby a state proclaims its sovereignty over territory hitherto outside its domain. Unlike cession, whereby territory is given or sold through treaty, annexation is a unilateral act made effective by actual possession and legitimized by general recognition.

• Ukraine
  • Declaration of independence from Soviet Union 24 August 1991
  • Independence referendum 1 December 1991
  • Current constitution 28 June 1996

• Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

It is my opinion that it is not my call nor yours nor Putin’s since, “Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine” as it was phrased, are still legally part of Ukraine, then it is legally Ukraine’s call alone for the decision to be legitimate- to make it legitimate and made lawful.

Sovereignty is a serious matter, it is "the authority of a state to govern itself."

[gertlush]

Somebody should tell Putin. But seriously, I think its a bit past debates about sovereignty etc.

Z and B have ruled out any talks with Russia. Therefore Ukraine will be defeated on the battlefield and Z removed from power. The only way the Yanks can stop it now is stage a false flag nuclear attack to give them an excuse.

Even that has a lot of risks obviously, but, faced with the prospect losing power B & Co are getting increasingly cornered and desperate.

[Tyrian-Quill]

Somebody should tell Putin. But seriously, I think its a bit past debates about sovereignty etc.

Z and B have ruled out any talks with Russia. Therefore Ukraine will be defeated on the battlefield and Z removed from power. The only way the Yanks can stop it now is stage a false flag nuclear attack to give them an excuse.

Even that has a lot of risks obviously, but, faced with the prospect losing power B & Co are getting increasingly cornered and desperate.

I absolutely am not privy to what is going on behind the scenes nor do I claim to possess accurate foresight.

One of the things though I do know is: the only pure constant is change.

Am going which is "Ukraine Russia war NEWS" (as News- definition: new information about something that has happened recently https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... 20recently


g-day

[gertlush]

News is defined as something that someone somewhere doesn't want you to know.

[Drip_Torch]

There is no call for the evacuation of Kherson. The Governor and deputy simply want to arrange for the "temporary stay and rest" for the residents in other regions of Russia for "recreation and study". Definitely not an evacuation.



Meanwhile, some pro-Russian sources are reporting a commander has been shot by his troops, so that they could surrender to Ukrainians. There is video footage of the surrender, and it seems to go without incident. Doesn't seem very pro-Russian to me, but what else are they going to report today? We lost 60 million dollars' worth of helicopters in 18 minutes probably doesn't play well either.

About the only other news I see working its way down the pipe is the silent mobilization of troops in Belarus. They are purposely conscripting in remote and rural areas to avoid any push back on Lukashenko.

[PoplarSoul]

Many countries have fallen apart in the past because some of their citizens did not want to be subjected to their abusive governments. The secession of Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine is not a precedent. I would say, .. let them secede peacefully. They have the right to choose.

Sovereignty is a serious matter, it is the authority of a state to govern itself.

In working to keep things clear-

understanding that:

annexation, a formal act whereby a state proclaims its sovereignty over territory hitherto outside its domain. Unlike cession, whereby territory is given or sold through treaty, annexation is a unilateral act made effective by actual possession and legitimized by general recognition.

• Ukraine
  • Declaration of independence from Soviet Union 24 August 1991
  • Independence referendum 1 December 1991
  • Current constitution 28 June 1996

• Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

It is my opinion that it is not my call nor yours nor Putin’s since, “Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine” as it was phrased, are still legally part of Ukraine, then it is legally Ukraine’s call alone for the decision to be legitimate- to make it legitimate and made lawful.

Sovereignty is a serious matter, it is "the authority of a state to govern itself."

Well said.

[gertlush]

Ok, whats good for the goose is good for the gander... bye bye Taiwan...

[BC Landlord]

Sovereignty is a serious matter, it is the authority of a state to govern itself.

It is a very serious matter, indeed. But sovereignty and governing come with responsibilities as well. And one of the most important ones is not to abuse the power by oppressing and terrorizing your own population. Since 2014, Ukraine has been failing on that miserably.

[LazyChris]

Sovereignty is a serious matter, it is the authority of a state to govern itself.

It is a very serious matter, indeed. But sovereignty and governing come with responsibilities as well. And one of the most important ones is not to abuse the power by oppressing and terrorizing your own population. Since 2014, Ukraine has been failing on that miserably.

Applying noble deeds that Putin was just protecting "his" people is just plain wrong. The annexation of Crimea was about getting access to a warm water port. This all about the money and power. The recent invasion of Ukraine again is about money and trying to get ahold of the resources and industrial capacity of Eastern Ukraine.

That being said the west and the American don't have altruistic motives either. The west saw another opportunity to stick it to a foe who has been messing with elections and stirring up divisive sentiment in the western countries. Tossing a few billions at the Ukraines to crush Russia economically seems pretty cheap in the long term.

There are no good guys in this scenario.

[Mazdatruck]

There are no good guys in this scenario.

Agreed. However.

Russia is trying to negotiate. US is underminding negotiations and Biden said the other day no negotiations.

When talking about destoying the entire planet that we all live on over this one single issue...

... the person saying "convo off" is the bad guy.