Bkr. Is heart disease increasing around the World?

[BigDaddyIsHere]

How can people sit here and blame Covid for “the excess death” and not even consider that it could be long term consequences from the vaccine? Calling everything that they don’t believe in a conspiracy theory…

We don't have long term consequences, excess deaths or otherwise attributable to the vaccine.
Until someone does long term studies, if there are excess deaths, the cause has not been attributed to the vaccine.
You are playing a guessing game. If someone just "thinks" it must be the vaccine, without evidence, that's not science. So what can we call it then?

Who do you think funds these studies? You think a pharmaceutical company or left wing elites are going to fund a study that discredits their vaccine and tarnish their profits and credibility? You do understand how the system works…. If you are believing “the science” is not biased then there is no point having a conversation. Anytime someone of credibility has questioned the vaccine or “the science” they have been segregated as a threat to society of misinformation and disinformation. You do understand that freedom of speech has been stripped away from us and censorship is something that occurs in communist countries.

I like the ability to have open conversations and ask questions or spin ideas around, yes even theories….
People were vilified when they even suggested that Covid was created in a lab, now it seems extremely plausible that is the case. People should be jumping up and down questioning where this virus came from, so it doesn’t happen again…. But they are too busy protecting their precious vaccines and their narrative.

[Zedi]

Now we know: If a video game can trigger it, what else? intense exercise?
https://videogamelaw.allard.ubc.ca/2022 ... onditions/

Brought to you by the biggest Canadian pusher, JT state sponsored corporate media.

Video games have been around since the 70's the vaccine since last year

[Zedi]

Stéphane Bancel: Can’t Make This Up – Moderna CEO Announces Development of New mRNA “Injection” to Repair Heart Muscle After a Heart Attack, wait for it, caused too by their mRNA COVID vaccine

https://palexander.substack.com/p/steph ... ke-this-up

[Silverstarqueen]

As baby-boomers age, they also develop more chronic pain conditions, arthritis, old sports injuries, and turn to NSAIDS because they are over-the-counter and cheap. How many know that regular use or over-use can cause heart issues?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/fda ... 0at%20risk.

[Silverstarqueen]

Stéphane Bancel: Can’t Make This Up – Moderna CEO Announces Development of New mRNA “Injection” to Repair Heart Muscle After a Heart Attack, wait for it, caused too by their mRNA COVID vaccine

https://palexander.substack.com/p/steph ... ke-this-up

So they have (or are investigating) a medication that could revolutionize treatment of several heart conditions, heart disease is one of the leading causes of death in western countries, and you don't think they should do it?
Suppose they could prevent or delay the 300,000-half a million deaths or heart attacks in the u.s.? Bad idea according to you? Could save the health systems millions, billions of dollars, but let's not investigate this because it's an injection? Hundreds of thousands of people could have their lives vastly improved, but no, let's just let them die says you. What if it doesn't work 100%? Suppose it only prevents half or 25% or the cardiac deaths? No, that's useless says you.

"..... mRNA-based therapies will reduce inflammation in connection to three major heart diseases including atherosclerosis, pulmonary hypertension, and abdominal aortic aneurysm.

“The mRNA-based targeted strategies that we are investigating can stop the progression of inflammation, providing the opportunities of preventing cardiovascular disease events like heart attack, stroke, and heart failure

[Silverstarqueen]

We don't have long term consequences, excess deaths or otherwise attributable to the vaccine.
Until someone does long term studies, if there are excess deaths, the cause has not been attributed to the vaccine.
You are playing a guessing game. If someone just "thinks" it must be the vaccine, without evidence, that's not science. So what can we call it then?

Who do you think funds these studies? You think a pharmaceutical company or left wing elites are going to fund a study that discredits their vaccine and tarnish their profits and credibility? You do understand how the system works…. If you are believing “the science” is not biased then there is no point having a conversation. Anytime someone of credibility has questioned the vaccine or “the science” they have been segregated as a threat to society of misinformation and disinformation. You do understand that freedom of speech has been stripped away from us and censorship is something that occurs in communist countries.

I like the ability to have open conversations and ask questions or spin ideas around, yes even theories….
People were vilified when they even suggested that Covid was created in a lab, now it seems extremely plausible that is the case. People should be jumping up and down questioning where this virus came from, so it doesn’t happen again…. But they are too busy protecting their precious vaccines and their narrative.

Heart disease is a huge health issue, one of the leading causes of death in developed countries.
There are hundreds of studies going on all the time on various low tech, hi tech treatments, connection to or lack of connection to vaccines has prety much nothing to do with it. There's research on nutrients, herbal medicines, medicines already on the shelf, and new medicines. Absolutely no one cares if the research is funded by "left wing" "right wing" or not. This is a major public health issue.
The problem is not with "anyone who questions the vaccine". The problem is: show us the evidence, do the work, stop making stuff up out of thin air. That's how science works. Not someone generating as many clicks and tweets as they can to downplay a virus, or invent Bad Things related to vaccines. Just do the work, publish the results like every other researcher has to do. It's boring, it's time consuming, but it's the only way to gradually expose the truths. As opposed to saying "I think it's the vaccine because there's a lot of vaccinated people out there". Heart disease has been a big killer, and a big contributor to lowering people's quality of life for many years, so just because a vaccine came along, didn't cause these half a million deaths every year.

[hozzle]

Who do you think funds these studies? You think a pharmaceutical company or left wing elites are going to fund a study that discredits their vaccine and tarnish their profits and credibility? You do understand how the system works…. If you are believing “the science” is not biased then there is no point having a conversation. Anytime someone of credibility has questioned the vaccine or “the science” they have been segregated as a threat to society of misinformation and disinformation. You do understand that freedom of speech has been stripped away from us and censorship is something that occurs in communist countries.

I like the ability to have open conversations and ask questions or spin ideas around, yes even theories….
People were vilified when they even suggested that Covid was created in a lab, now it seems extremely plausible that is the case. People should be jumping up and down questioning where this virus came from, so it doesn’t happen again…. But they are too busy protecting their precious vaccines and their narrative.

Heart disease is a huge health issue, one of the leading causes of death in developed countries.
There are hundreds of studies going on all the time on various low tech, hi tech treatments, connection to or lack of connection to vaccines has prety much nothing to do with it. There's research on nutrients, herbal medicines, medicines already on the shelf, and new medicines. Absolutely no one cares if the research is funded by "left wing" "right wing" or not. This is a major public health issue.
The problem is not with "anyone who questions the vaccine". The problem is: show us the evidence, do the work, stop making stuff up out of thin air. That's how science works. Not someone generating as many clicks and tweets as they can to downplay a virus, or invent Bad Things related to vaccines. Just do the work, publish the results like every other researcher has to do. It's boring, it's time consuming, but it's the only way to gradually expose the truths. As opposed to saying "I think it's the vaccine because there's a lot of vaccinated people out there". Heart disease has been a big killer, and a big contributor to lowering people's quality of life for many years, so just because a vaccine came along, didn't cause these half a million deaths every year.

It doesn't take a genius to know that heart disease is a huge contributor a number of deaths world wide... the problem is when self proclaimed "experts" on the forum try to convince others that only pro vaxxers evidence is the only truth and that only pro vaxxers follow the science... and when the data starts showing not everything was according to science they move the goal posts or say "well it does help with the sniffles"

[Silverstarqueen]

It doesn't take a genius to know that heart disease is a huge contributor a number of deaths world wide... the problem is when self proclaimed "experts" on the forum try to convince others that only pro vaxxers evidence is the only truth and that only pro vaxxers follow the science... and when the data starts showing not everything was according to science they move the goal posts or say "well it does help with the sniffles"

Regardless of someone's stance or status wrt the vaccine, I don't care if they are pro or con, have had it, won't get it, makes no difference. Put up the evidence.
Evidence that "the goal post was moved"? What does that even mean? Just a general random comment without any evidence of what that's about.
"It does help with the sniffles": show me any researcher, Publid health officer, who was concerned about "the sniffles". ever. What they did claim was that the vaccine reduced serious illness, hospitalization and deaths. Never claimed it was 100% effective, but anti-vaxxers say it 's useless if it's not 100%. 90% is not good enough. 84% is not good enough. So when you have over 1 million north americans who died of covid, 84%, even 70% reduction in hospitalization or deaths would be a blessing. Never was it claimed that it would be 100% effective, even when the trial results were reported two years ago. As Fauci said in 2020 and early 2021, they hoped the vaccine would be "highly effective" but no vaccine was 100% effective. Do you think ER docs and PHO's were seriously concerned with the impact of people with "the sniffles" being hospitalized? Why were ER docs urging us to get the vaccine? Because they'd rather not see us turning up in hospital with covid.

[hozzle]

Regardless of someone's stance or status wrt the vaccine, I don't care if they are pro or con, have had it, won't get it, makes no difference. Put up the evidence.
Evidence that "the goal post was moved"? What does that even mean? Just a general random comment without any evidence of what that's about.
"It does help with the sniffles": show me any researcher, Publid health officer, who was concerned about "the sniffles". ever. What they did claim was that the vaccine reduced serious illness, hospitalization and deaths. Never claimed it was 100% effective, but anti-vaxxers say it 's useless if it's not 100%. 90% is not good enough. 84% is not good enough. So when you have over 1 million north americans who died of covid, 84%, even 70% reduction in hospitalization or deaths would be a blessing. Never was it claimed that it would be 100% effective, even when the trial results were reported two years ago. As Fauci said in 2020 and early 2021, they hoped the vaccine would be "highly effective" but no vaccine was 100% effective. Do you think ER docs and PHO's were seriously concerned with the impact of people with "the sniffles" being hospitalized? Why were ER docs urging us to get the vaccine? Because they'd rather not see us turning up in hospital with covid.

Where is your evidence that refutes the others last post regarding heart disease? The post above looks like a bunch of made up numbers pertaining to other stuff... otherwise its just another "he said - she said" on the original post prior.

[77TA]

As long as it is said that vaccines aren't 100%, some feel their garbage is treasure.

[Zedi]

It doesn't take a genius to know that heart disease is a huge contributor a number of deaths world wide... the problem is when self proclaimed "experts" on the forum try to convince others that only pro vaxxers evidence is the only truth and that only pro vaxxers follow the science... and when the data starts showing not everything was according to science they move the goal posts or say "well it does help with the sniffles"

Regardless of someone's stance or status wrt the vaccine, I don't care if they are pro or con, have had it, won't get it, makes no difference. Put up the evidence.
Evidence that "the goal post was moved"? What does that even mean? Just a general random comment without any evidence of what that's about.
"It does help with the sniffles": show me any researcher, Publid health officer, who was concerned about "the sniffles". ever. What they did claim was that the vaccine reduced serious illness, hospitalization and deaths. Never claimed it was 100% effective, but anti-vaxxers say it 's useless if it's not 100%. 90% is not good enough. 84% is not good enough. So when you have over 1 million north americans who died of covid, 84%, even 70% reduction in hospitalization or deaths would be a blessing. Never was it claimed that it would be 100% effective, even when the trial results were reported two years ago. As Fauci said in 2020 and early 2021, they hoped the vaccine would be "highly effective" but no vaccine was 100% effective. Do you think ER docs and PHO's were seriously concerned with the impact of people with "the sniffles" being hospitalized? Why were ER docs urging us to get the vaccine? Because they'd rather not see us turning up in hospital with covid.

You forgot to mention fauci also said the vaccine would prevent transmission. Just like he said masks don’t protect. That why he’s inept and earned the nick name flip flop fauci

[Zedi]

As long as it is said that vaccines aren't 100%, some feel their garbage is treasure.

The true number is .8%

Not even in the ballpark of being effective

[alanjh595]

As long as it is said that vaccines aren't 100%, some feel their garbage is treasure.

The true number is .8%

Not even in the ballpark of being effective

What is the source of that number?

We all know that 93.5% of all numbers on public discussion forums are made up.

[77TA]

The true number is .8%

Not even in the ballpark of being effective

What is the source of that number?

We all know that 93.5% of all numbers on public discussion forums are made up.

Forum numbers are never 100%
They still work though.

[Zedi]

Who do you think funds these studies? You think a pharmaceutical company or left wing elites are going to fund a study that discredits their vaccine and tarnish their profits and credibility? You do understand how the system works…. If you are believing “the science” is not biased then there is no point having a conversation. Anytime someone of credibility has questioned the vaccine or “the science” they have been segregated as a threat to society of misinformation and disinformation. You do understand that freedom of speech has been stripped away from us and censorship is something that occurs in communist countries.

I like the ability to have open conversations and ask questions or spin ideas around, yes even theories….
People were vilified when they even suggested that Covid was created in a lab, now it seems extremely plausible that is the case. People should be jumping up and down questioning where this virus came from, so it doesn’t happen again…. But they are too busy protecting their precious vaccines and their narrative.

Heart disease is a huge health issue, one of the leading causes of death in developed countries.
There are hundreds of studies going on all the time on various low tech, hi tech treatments, connection to or lack of connection to vaccines has prety much nothing to do with it. There's research on nutrients, herbal medicines, medicines already on the shelf, and new medicines. Absolutely no one cares if the research is funded by "left wing" "right wing" or not. This is a major public health issue.
The problem is not with "anyone who questions the vaccine". The problem is: show us the evidence, do the work, stop making stuff up out of thin air. That's how science works. Not someone generating as many clicks and tweets as they can to downplay a virus, or invent Bad Things related to vaccines. Just do the work, publish the results like every other researcher has to do. It's boring, it's time consuming, but it's the only way to gradually expose the truths. As opposed to saying "I think it's the vaccine because there's a lot of vaccinated people out there". Heart disease has been a big killer, and a big contributor to lowering people's quality of life for many years, so just because a vaccine came along, didn't cause these half a million deaths every year.

And it’s just been exasperated by the clot shot. Pharma is smiling…they got everyone taking the clot shot….now they will sell you the drugs needed to treat the damage from the clot shot. Drug dealers love customers for life