Electric Vehicles

[LovemyBolt]

EV’s are a car dealer’s dream come true, as it provides a reason for people rush out and buy a different car, regardless of if it makes any cents. The more EVs that are sold, the more others think they need to join the buying herd.

If anybody's rushing, it's to stop the constant outflow of hard earned money on gas.
As EV's are more and more recognized in the mainstream and that some approach a stretch of affordability then why wouldn't they be a choice? I did some calculations on payback period on the cheaper-to-keep-her idea and was years but it's outweighed by not always putting out money for gas.
Still likin' not buyin' gas.

[Jlabute]

EV’s are a car dealer’s dream come true, as it provides a reason for people rush out and buy a different car, regardless of if it makes any cents. The more EVs that are sold, the more others think they need to join the buying herd.

If anybody's rushing, it's to stop the constant outflow of hard earned money on gas.
As EV's are more and more recognized in the mainstream and that some approach a stretch of affordability then why wouldn't they be a choice? I did some calculations on payback period on the cheaper-to-keep-her idea and was years but it's outweighed by not always putting out money for gas.
Still likin' not buyin' gas.

This is a temporary situation. Governments will recoup taxation losses and make electricity more expensive.

In the UK, charging your EV costs more than petrol. You pay 2x to 3x more for the EV, then you pay more for electricity, you have 50% more problems, you can't tow anything anywhere and range in general is less than with gas, and you aren't saving the environment. Sounds like a no-brainer to me, at least in the UK ;-) Stick was gas until EVs are ready. I almost had a hybrid recently but there weren't any to sell. In retrospect, I am glad I didn't buy one.


https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... l-parkers/

[LovemyBolt]

This is a temporary situation. Governments will recoup taxation losses and make electricity more expensive.

In the UK, charging your EV costs more than petrol. You pay 2x to 3x more for the EV, then you pay more for electricity, you have 50% more problems, you can't tow anything anywhere and range in general is less than with gas, and you aren't saving the environment. Sounds like a no-brainer to me, at least in the UK ;-) Stick was gas until EVs are ready. I almost had a hybrid recently but there weren't any to sell. In retrospect, I am glad I didn't buy one.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... l-parkers/

Speculation and the UK is irrelevant to us.

The cheapest gas car I can find is the Chevy Spark at about $10k and change. The still current best bang for the range buck is the Bolt at $38k and change. So yes even approaching 4x.
We pay about 12¢ per kwh here in Fortis-land.

EV's are ready. Have been for a number of years now.

[Jlabute]

This is a temporary situation. Governments will recoup taxation losses and make electricity more expensive.

In the UK, charging your EV costs more than petrol. You pay 2x to 3x more for the EV, then you pay more for electricity, you have 50% more problems, you can't tow anything anywhere and range in general is less than with gas, and you aren't saving the environment. Sounds like a no-brainer to me, at least in the UK ;-) Stick was gas until EVs are ready. I almost had a hybrid recently but there weren't any to sell. In retrospect, I am glad I didn't buy one.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... l-parkers/

Speculation and the UK is irrelevant to us.

The cheapest gas car I can find is the Chevy Spark at about $10k and change. The still current best bang for the range buck is the Bolt at $38k and change. So yes even approaching 4x.
We pay about 12¢ per kwh here in Fortis-land.

EV's are ready. Have been for a number of years now.

EVs may be ready for you, but you are not the world, and EVs are far from ready for mass adoption.

1) Lack of choices. Not many practical options exist.
2) More expensive. EVs cost much more on average, for less.
3) Charging challenges. You can't travel outside of charger range in areas where gas stations exist.
4) Long charge times.
5) Battery costs after warranty easily hit $20,000 and up.
6) Fears of fire.
7) Extreme range reduction when towing and range anxiety in general.
8) More product issues than any other car make.
9) More raw materials required. EVs getting more expensive instead of cheaper.
10) Not environmentally friendly as 4x more copper is required, and more semiconductors. Lithium processing is toxic.
11) Fast EVs cost an arm and leg.
12) Grid infrastructure is not ready. Many locale restrict charging times.
13) Largest auto manufacturers like Toyota, focus more on gas & hybrids.
14) A lot more rare earth metals required to manufacture.
15) Electricity more expensive than Petrol in a growing number of countries.
16) Lack of service centers for certain brands.
17) One in Five people switch back to gas.
18) Resale value is low, so, when I go to sell, I loose 5 years worth of gas or more.
19) Higher insurance costs.
20) Tires do not last as long on heavier EV vehicles.
21) EV products require rebates and mandates to sell. Why? Aren't they any good?
22) EVs contribute to increased child labor and human rights violations.
23) EV battery production dependents on increased fossil fuel usage.
24) etc


Peer review research also says EVs not ready for Prime Time. (not that peer-reviewed means anything)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... ode=becj20

[LovemyBolt]

EVs may be ready for you, but you are not the world, and EVs are far from ready for mass adoption.

1) Lack of choices. Not many practical options exist.
2) More expensive. EVs cost much more on average, for less.
3) Charging challenges. You can't travel outside of charger range in areas where gas stations exist.
4) Long charge times.
5) Battery costs after warranty easily hit $20,000 and up.
6) Fears of fire.
7) Extreme range reduction when towing and range anxiety in general.
8) More product issues than any other car make.
9) More raw materials required. EVs getting more expensive instead of cheaper.
10) Not environmentally friendly as 4x more copper is required, and more semiconductors. Lithium processing is toxic.
11) Fast EVs cost an arm and leg.
12) Grid infrastructure is not ready. Many locale restrict charging times.
13) Largest auto manufacturers like Toyota, focus more on gas & hybrids.
14) A lot more rare earth metals required to manufacture.
15) Electricity more expensive than Petrol in a growing number of countries.
16) Lack of service centers for certain brands.
17) One in Five people switch back to gas.
18) Resale value is low, so, when I go to sell, I loose 5 years worth of gas or more.
19) Higher insurance costs.
20) Tires do not last as long on heavier EV vehicles.
21) EV products require rebates and mandates to sell. Why? Aren't they any good?
22) EVs contribute to increased child labor and human rights violations.
23) EV battery production dependents on increased fossil fuel usage.
24) etc


Peer review research also says EVs not ready for Prime Time. (not that peer-reviewed means anything)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... ode=becj20

1. Lot's of choices. Everybody's making them these days. Define practical? Practical to one may be impractical to others. I find my car to perfectly practical. I rarely have need to haul a 4x8 sheet of drywall around. I don't glamp in a giant trailer.
2. Less what? Higher up front. Very little over the long run. Less what?
3. There's power everywhere. I could pull into some ranch somewhere and beg and plead for some electricity. Give them 10 bucks and sleep in the car.
4. Define long? Seems people are hung up on stopping for maybe an hour to do other things while getting a charge.
5. There should be no need to completely replace the battery. Parts and components can be replaced.
6. About as much fear as any ICEV exploding.
7. Yup. Towing with the Ford truck is currently pretty pitiful. So. I don't tow. Not everybody does.
8. ??? Care to have a glance at all the recalls of every other car?
9. Sure. Whatever. If someone can come up with better storage then maybe that becomes a non-issue. But no we're not there yet.
10. The non-stop spewing of carbon from ICEV's over their life far outweighs the supposed environmental impacts of making EV's. Again, hopefully different storage can come along.
11. Fast EV? If you mean like a Tesla plaid or Porsche or something then um yeah. Same as the ICE version. That's an economic choice everyone makes. I'm not paying millions of dollars for a supercar. EV or not.
12. You might be referring to those emergency weather events where adding the charging load of many vehicles might cause blackouts. Otherwise it seems the grid is fine.
13. I wouldn't pluralize too much. Toyota is odd. They've dabbled in hydrogen. Talk about infrastructure and then cost to fill. They've done extremely well with their hydrids. meh. I'm fine with full battery.
14. You're repeating now.
15. Not my problem. I'm in BC.
16. That's up to those brands. Then up to the buyer if they can accept that fact. Isn't that the same for many more obscure brands? Can you find a Maserati service centre in Spuzzum?
17. Have a reputable source for that claim? Not bitchute.
18. More facts please. All vehicles have depreciation and a cost of wear and tear.
19. Insurance depends on coverage choices. My choices get me to about $1200 a year. Is that a lot? Cheap?
20. I think it has to do with tire choices. Cheap tires don't last anyway. Winter tires wear faster anyway. So you get tires that can handle the higher weight. Like tires for trucks (not to put on the EV). All tires have weight ratings.
21. They're not required. They're incentives and inducements to bring the consumer OTD price down. We already grant that EV's cost more. So if the scale can be tipped a little towards choosing an EV then great. Mandates are governments trying to get manufacturers to make more. Make more usually means less price. Eventually.
22. ?? Really? So you're talking about supposed cobalt mining. Maybe manufacturers should be required to not buy those materials from those suppliers. Maybe manufacturers could conduct themselves internationally ethically.
23. Back to #10. ICEV's do all their polluting over their life which adds up to much more than what goes in to making an EV battery.
24. etc

[The Green Barbarian]

EVs may be ready for you, but you are not the world, and EVs are far from ready for mass adoption.

So true. You have to be dumber than a stump to go with EV's. Why? For what purpose when there are perfectly good gas options??

PS - this article made me laugh out loud...

Baby boomers are the least environment conscious generation while Gen X has the biggest home carbon footprint, new BC Hydro research has found.

The report titled, “Green generation gap: Gen X most resistant to going green at home,” released Oct. 21, found that while baby boomers (58 to 78 years old) once lived in the biggest houses with the most amenities, there is a shift occurring. Now, Gen Xers (42 to 57 years old) are most likely to live in larger, detached single-family homes with bigger greenhouse gas implications.

Why? Because many Gen Xers still rely heavily on natural gas for heating and appliances, and use other gas-powered equipment and tools. The report also notes boomers are often looked upon as the generation that created problems for millennials (aged 26 to 41).

“The average home size of Gen X is between 1,500 to 2,000 square feet — twice as large as millennials,” says BC Hydro spokesperson Susie Rieder. “Bigger homes often mean greater energy use and emissions, especially when it comes to home heating with natural gas, which is often the largest contributor.”

Moreover, boomers are frequently no longer in their large homes, having downsized.

Still, over half of millennials surveyed for the report rated baby boomers as the least environmentally conscious generation.

The research also found while a quarter of Gen X think their generation cares the most about the environment and climate change, over half admitted they could be doing more to reduce their carbon footprint.

Still, the research found when it comes to greening their lives, Gen Xers are significantly less willing to make sacrifices than millennials.

This could be partially attributed to the fact that they are the most likely group to think the impacts of climate change have been exaggerated.

There also seems to be a Gen X disconnect in behaviours.

While many people have embraced recycling and reducing the use of single use plastics, BC Hydro found that Gen Xers are much less willing to give up the gas-powered elements of their lives.

Survey results found that Gen X is nearly 60 per cent less likely to give up driving a gas-powered vehicle than millennials; 90 per cent less likely to give up using gas appliances than millennials; and 60 per cent less likely to give up their gas heating system than millennials.

Further, Gen Xers don’t appear willing to give up gas-powered appliances, water heaters, kitchen appliances, fireplaces, lawnmowers, weed whackers, pressure washers, leaf blowers and patio heaters.

The survey was conducted by Majid Khoury online of 800 British Columbians between Aug. 15 and 18, 2022 with a margin of error +/- 3.46%.

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#391912

Speaking for GenX'ers, hey millennials, take your made made climate change alarmist garbage, and shove it where the sun don't shine. Not giving up any of my natural gas appliances to appease your stupid fairy tale genie you believe in. Bye bye now.

[Jlabute]

1. Lot's of choices. Everybody's making them these days. Define practical? Practical to one may be impractical to others. I find my car to perfectly practical. I rarely have need to haul a 4x8 sheet of drywall around. I don't glamp in a giant trailer.
2. Less what? Higher up front. Very little over the long run. Less what?
3. There's power everywhere. I could pull into some ranch somewhere and beg and plead for some electricity. Give them 10 bucks and sleep in the car.
4. Define long? Seems people are hung up on stopping for maybe an hour to do other things while getting a charge.
5. There should be no need to completely replace the battery. Parts and components can be replaced.
6. About as much fear as any ICEV exploding.
7. Yup. Towing with the Ford truck is currently pretty pitiful. So. I don't tow. Not everybody does.
8. ??? Care to have a glance at all the recalls of every other car?
9. Sure. Whatever. If someone can come up with better storage then maybe that becomes a non-issue. But no we're not there yet.
10. The non-stop spewing of carbon from ICEV's over their life far outweighs the supposed environmental impacts of making EV's. Again, hopefully different storage can come along.
11. Fast EV? If you mean like a Tesla plaid or Porsche or something then um yeah. Same as the ICE version. That's an economic choice everyone makes. I'm not paying millions of dollars for a supercar. EV or not.
12. You might be referring to those emergency weather events where adding the charging load of many vehicles might cause blackouts. Otherwise it seems the grid is fine.
13. I wouldn't pluralize too much. Toyota is odd. They've dabbled in hydrogen. Talk about infrastructure and then cost to fill. They've done extremely well with their hydrids. meh. I'm fine with full battery.
14. You're repeating now.
15. Not my problem. I'm in BC.
16. That's up to those brands. Then up to the buyer if they can accept that fact. Isn't that the same for many more obscure brands? Can you find a Maserati service centre in Spuzzum?
17. Have a reputable source for that claim? Not bitchute.
18. More facts please. All vehicles have depreciation and a cost of wear and tear.
19. Insurance depends on coverage choices. My choices get me to about $1200 a year. Is that a lot? Cheap?
20. I think it has to do with tire choices. Cheap tires don't last anyway. Winter tires wear faster anyway. So you get tires that can handle the higher weight. Like tires for trucks (not to put on the EV). All tires have weight ratings.
21. They're not required. They're incentives and inducements to bring the consumer OTD price down. We already grant that EV's cost more. So if the scale can be tipped a little towards choosing an EV then great. Mandates are governments trying to get manufacturers to make more. Make more usually means less price. Eventually.
22. ?? Really? So you're talking about supposed cobalt mining. Maybe manufacturers should be required to not buy those materials from those suppliers. Maybe manufacturers could conduct themselves internationally ethically.
23. Back to #10. ICEV's do all their polluting over their life which adds up to much more than what goes in to making an EV battery.
24. etc

1) Exactly. Like I said, good for you, doesn't mean they are ready to mandate for everyone. LOTS of people need a towing capability of more than 90 miles. Lots of EV truck videos showing how pathetic EV range is. So no, there are few EV choices for those that work for a living.

2) Spend more money, for more inconvenience, and less range.

3) If you beg and plead for electricity from a stranger, they will have to give you a room to sleep in too. You'll have to have your vehicle towed to a strangers home. A jerry can is more convenient for emergency vehicles.

4) My time is more valuable than waiting for an hour in the middle of nowhere for a charge.

5) This is not what dealerships will do. You've seen the invoices. Not a tenable long-term solution.

6) It's your house! lithium battery fires are the leading cause of home deaths in Vancouver.

7) Lots of people tow. How will they do it after mandates?

8) Nope.

9) I can hardly wait for better, safer, cheaper, faster charging, higher capacity, less toxic battery technology. I'd give it maybe 20 to 40 years. After-which, mandates might make sense.

10) If 92% of the world is powered by coal and gas, then EVs also spew carbon. Not just in electrical sources, but in the manufacturing of the batteries (equal to 4 years of driving), and now a billion chargers will be required around the globe to make the current battery technology work. Needs oil and gas to keep that new industry running. EVs are dirtier than ICE vehicles, and get dirtier with every replacement battery.

11) High performance in a gas vehicle is cheaper than in an EV. This is what some people want to buy.

12) So you think once one ignores the thousands of articles stating the grid isn't ready.

13) Hybrids are probably the cleanest option. Toyota is the largest car manufacturer in the world and deserve respect as far as their decisions go.

14) Let me also mention for the first time, rare earth metals. These are expensive and rare. More mines are required in North America since China is a primary source.

15) Not your problem yet. Of course to have EV adoption world-wide and be able to supply a larger market, everyone has to be on board, not just BC.

16) Tesla is far from Maserati.

17) How about an auto mag? You'd think Californians would be in 100%!! Nope.
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/califor ... les/68086/

18) Of the 10 top depreciating vehicles, 4 are EVs, while others are luxury vehicles.
https://insideevs.com/features/379745/u ... reciation/
All electric cars have a depreciation problem. Looks it up.

19) Insurance depends on the cost of the vehicle. EVs parts on average are more expensive.

20) "EV tires do cost more than tires of similar cars, and may wear out faster than expected for 3 reasons: EVs are modestly heavier than the equivalent car. That means you need tires with a higher weight rating, and they will wear out a bit faster. With EVs you care more about energy efficient tires."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtemple ... e9a38c3831

21) Eventually, but, raw materials are in short supply. A lot of EVs can't be made.

22) Although, you don't really care for green anyways, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ner-future

23) Once the battery is replaced, it is equivalent to another 4 years of gas usage. Also, you're still using fossil fuels from the grid. EVs are not close to being clean and not worth mandating.

[LovemyBolt]

1) Exactly. Like I said, good for you, doesn't mean they are ready to mandate for everyone. LOTS of people need a towing capability of more than 90 miles. Lots of EV truck videos showing how pathetic EV range is. So no, there are few EV choices for those that work for a living.

2) Spend more money, for more inconvenience, and less range.

3) If you beg and plead for electricity from a stranger, they will have to give you a room to sleep in too. You'll have to have your vehicle towed to a strangers home. A jerry can is more convenient for emergency vehicles.

4) My time is more valuable than waiting for an hour in the middle of nowhere for a charge.

5) This is not what dealerships will do. You've seen the invoices. Not a tenable long-term solution.

6) It's your house! lithium battery fires are the leading cause of home deaths in Vancouver.

7) Lots of people tow. How will they do it after mandates?

8) Nope.

9) I can hardly wait for better, safer, cheaper, faster charging, higher capacity, less toxic battery technology. I'd give it maybe 20 to 40 years. After-which, mandates might make sense.

10) If 92% of the world is powered by coal and gas, then EVs also spew carbon. Not just in electrical sources, but in the manufacturing of the batteries (equal to 4 years of driving), and now a billion chargers will be required around the globe to make the current battery technology work. Needs oil and gas to keep that new industry running. EVs are dirtier than ICE vehicles, and get dirtier with every replacement battery.

11) High performance in a gas vehicle is cheaper than in an EV. This is what some people want to buy.

12) So you think once one ignores the thousands of articles stating the grid isn't ready.

13) Hybrids are probably the cleanest option. Toyota is the largest car manufacturer in the world and deserve respect as far as their decisions go.

14) Let me also mention for the first time, rare earth metals. These are expensive and rare. More mines are required in North America since China is a primary source.

15) Not your problem yet. Of course to have EV adoption world-wide and be able to supply a larger market, everyone has to be on board, not just BC.

16) Tesla is far from Maserati.

17) How about an auto mag? You'd think Californians would be in 100%!! Nope.
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/califor ... les/68086/

18) Of the 10 top depreciating vehicles, 4 are EVs, while others are luxury vehicles.
https://insideevs.com/features/379745/u ... reciation/
All electric cars have a depreciation problem. Looks it up.

19) Insurance depends on the cost of the vehicle. EVs parts on average are more expensive.

20) "EV tires do cost more than tires of similar cars, and may wear out faster than expected for 3 reasons: EVs are modestly heavier than the equivalent car. That means you need tires with a higher weight rating, and they will wear out a bit faster. With EVs you care more about energy efficient tires."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtemple ... e9a38c3831

21) Eventually, but, raw materials are in short supply. A lot of EVs can't be made.

22) Although, you don't really care for green anyways, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ner-future

23) Once the battery is replaced, it is equivalent to another 4 years of gas usage. Also, you're still using fossil fuels from the grid. EVs are not close to being clean and not worth mandating.

1. Who is saying everybody must have an EV? Mandates are for manufacturers and dealers. Not buyers.
I have said all along that I understand there are use case scenarios where EV's won't be applicable. I understand. I get it. I'm not saying otherwise.

2. No, you spend more money for more range. Turns out the Bolt is the current best bang for the range buck.

3. Nobody has to put anybody up. Nor would I ask. I would offer $10 and then sleep in the car for a few hours. Perhaps that would get me enough range to get to a faster charger. I would never let myself get into a situation where I'm risking having no juice dying on the side of the road. Not gonna happen. I can see I have very little left. I would be stopping somehow somewhere to try to get some juice. Obviously I grant to you the convenience of being able to carry your fuel when out. Obviously. Doesn't make me not have an EV. Maybe it does others. Not me.

4. Some fast chargers are indeed in the middle of nowhere. That would be if needed and the planning didn't quite pan out. As for your time..you gotta eat. Do you not waste your time eating? Or do you unsafely eat behind the wheel?

5. I've seen the one example of an out of warranty obsoleted vehicle. One. I don't expect that experience if and when I might need battery work done.

6. Ah. Not cars. Now you're going to an argument about lithium batteries themselves. For bikes and scooters and such. Cheapo, made in sub-standard, unregulated countries. Heck even the old Samsung Note 7 had some fires. When was the last time news of exploding phone batteries came out?

7. Again, nobody is being mandated to buy an EV.

8. Then you can't make your assertion of more issues with EV's than other kinds of cars.

9. Sure. Not sure about your timeframe but I guess we'll see.

10. I don't care about the rest of the world in any of this argument. I live in BC. We have abundant hydro. I think we will continue to disagree about overall environmental impacts.

11. Then they'll pay more. A high performance EV kills high performance gas vehicles. A Tesla is the fastest thing out there. "Some people" are very few people. Are you actually in that buying bracket? What are you wasting your time around here for then. Just getting out of bed costs you money.

12. The "thousands" of articles I've heard about on this topic have much more to do with extreme weather than more and more EV charging.

13. Agreed about Toyota. Not so much about clean when it still burns gas. But it is interesting that they went more for hydrogen than full battery. Interesting that fires are way more in hybrids than even ICEV's. And EV's even less than ICEV's. Per capita.

14. Sure. Whatever. I'm not arguing. It doesn't stop me from having made the choice to have an EV.

15. On board what? We have abundant renewable energy.

16. It's the way it is. That's the choice the buyer can make. If the buyer doesn't like the idea of having to go way off over there somewhere then they can choose not to buy that brand. There's a Chevy dealer practically everywhere. You might get a weird look in a truck town asking about an EV but they'll get it. More and more are being certified by gm for EV service.

17. And the reason claimed is charging infrastructure...not whether they like the EV. Still 80% would stick with EV. I would intend to. And I live in a condo that doesn't offer charging.

18. Interesting. Thanks

19. So. But my cost is about $1200 per year for a 3 year old EV. How about yours?

20. Yes I know. Is that enough of a deterrent to make me not have an EV? Nope. I can also choose low wearing tires. If that causes a hit in range then that's the choice I make. It's the same with gas cars. Some tires may cause a lowering of fuel efficiency. Deal breaker? No.

21. Ok. So can't a lot of other stuff.

22. I find all of those matters abhorrent. Multi-national corporations should be required to ethically source their materials before selling their products in markets that care about those matters. I hope Canada does. I don't know.

23. We'll again disagree on your new battery argument. Not in BC. And more opinions. You're just as entitled to them.

[Urban Cowboy]

13. Agreed about Toyota. Not so much about clean when it still burns gas. But it is interesting that they went more for hydrogen than full battery. Interesting that fires are way more in hybrids than even ICEV's. And EV's even less than ICEV's. Per capita.

Obviously EV's will have less fires than ICEV's, per capita, given that their ratio to ICE vehicles is far far smaller.

How about you find out how many ICE vehicles are registered in Canada, then compare that to how many EV's are registered, and how many fires were in each group, then at least you'd have a realistic figure for comparison.

Per capita means diddley really, when the data you need is per number of vehicles in each category.

To be truly accurate the equation should also account for how many miles each type was driven.

[LovemyBolt]

13. Agreed about Toyota. Not so much about clean when it still burns gas. But it is interesting that they went more for hydrogen than full battery. Interesting that fires are way more in hybrids than even ICEV's. And EV's even less than ICEV's. Per capita.

Obviously EV's will have less fires than ICEV's, per capita, given that their ratio to ICE vehicles is far far smaller.

How about you find out how many ICE vehicles are registered in Canada, then compare that to how many EV's are registered, and how many fires were in each group, then at least you'd have a realistic figure for comparison.

Per capita means diddley really, when the data you need is per number of vehicles in each category.

Um...that is per capita...in this context. Obviously not per person. Surprisingly higher with hybrids, then ICEV's, then EV's.

[Urban Cowboy]

Obviously EV's will have less fires than ICEV's, per capita, given that their ratio to ICE vehicles is far far smaller.

How about you find out how many ICE vehicles are registered in Canada, then compare that to how many EV's are registered, and how many fires were in each group, then at least you'd have a realistic figure for comparison.

Per capita means diddley really, when the data you need is per number of vehicles in each category.

Um...that is per capita...in this context. Obviously not per person. Surprisingly higher with hybrids, then ICEV's, then EV's.

You seem to be missing my point.

For your claim to be accurate, one would need to know how many of each type of vehicle there is in the country, plus how far each was driven.

Example for instance, I go out and buy a Bolt, park it in the garage and never drive it, meanwhile my Chevy pickup gets driven all the time raking up mileage on the odometer, naturally with it's continued use the possibility of a mechanical failure resulting in a fire, would be much higher in the truck.

In your mind this translates into the Bolt coming out ahead of the Chevy truck, yet it's a completely unfair comparison.

[LovemyBolt]

You seem to be missing my point.

For your claim to be accurate, one would need to know how many of each type of vehicle there is in the country, plus how far each was driven.

Example for instance, I go out and buy a Bolt, park it in the garage and never drive it, meanwhile my Chevy pickup gets driven all the time raking up mileage on the odometer, naturally with it's continued use the possibility of a mechanical failure resulting in a fire, would be much higher in the truck.

In your mind this translates into the Bolt coming out ahead of the Chevy truck, yet it's a completely unfair comparison.

And I would say you're adding irrelevant variables. How far down the rabbit hole of specific details do you want to go? Is that data even collected?
There are so many purchased hybrids. There are so many purchased gas vehicles. There are so many purchased EV's. Each has fire events. The ratio of fire events to number of purchased vehicles is the per capita fires for that "class" or "category" of car.
If you like I could repeat the fact that there hasn't been a reported Bolt fire in almost a year whereas we do hear about Tesla fires still. Shall I go ahead and drill down the EV number to just Teslas? No.

Yes your Bolt comes out ahead. For that one datapoint. It's about all datapoints. It's not about fair. It's about stats. Over all of the datapoints. There are people driving Bolts hundreds of thousands of klicks driving Uber. Those Current Taxis are poring on the klicks.
Why anyone would buy a car and park it is beyond me. And people complain about the cost of an EV and here you are putting forth the proposition that you would park the car after spending all that money.

[Urban Cowboy]

I simply put forth the fact that your statistics are skewed, and all too often people make decisions based on manipulated data.

People can come up with statistics to support just about any position they have, just as you have done using statistics that leave out important parts of the equation.

Just because some data may be hard to come by, does not negate its value in coming up with an accurate comparison.

Case in point who would you say is the better driver, a courier who drives 100,000km per year and has two accidents, or the retired senior who drove 5000km in a year and had 1 accident?

Many would respond the senior because he had 1 whereas the courier had 2.

Bearing in mind that the more you drive the higher the risk of having a collision, the better driver would be the courier because the senior is on a path to 20 collisions per 100,000km driven. That's not to say that he'd have 20 wrecks, but it does indicate he's a much higher risk on the road.

Vehicle fires is much the same thing.

[Jlabute]

Those EV hummer tail-lights must be really good to have a replacement cost of $6100.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/ev-o ... taillights

[Catsumi]

Those EV hummer tail-lights must be really good to have a replacement cost of $6100.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/ev-o ... taillights

Only the super rich can afford to drive those things and replace parts.

Was the $6100.00 in Cdn bucks or USA$. ? Either way, who the heck can afford to drive an EV Hummer?