Substations Attacked

[motokelowna1]

AS the white nationalists attack the grid(trumps mates) cause hardship on all Americans they will implode all values down the drain.. Much like trump and the gop do well... Last one out ,lights off..

[Queen K]

GB, so all of Trumps supporters attacking the seat of power on January 6th are leftists?

What does this have to do with scum Antifa domestic terrorists attacking substations? The rise of Leftist extremism in Canada and the US can't be ignored.

Except the title of the thread doesn't have "antifa" in it. This is about substations, ie, American life being dependent upon electriciy, under attack.

Some like yourself blame Antifa and many others blame right wing extremist attackers. And your quote states that you believe there are ONLY left wing terrorists in America today. Not true by any stretch.

[The Green Barbarian]

Except the title of the thread doesn't have "antifa" in it.

But they are the ones attacking the substations. Pretty straight forward.

[JLives]

What does this have to do with scum Antifa domestic terrorists attacking substations? The rise of Leftist extremism in Canada and the US can't be ignored.

Except the title of the thread doesn't have "antifa" in it. This is about substations, ie, American life being dependent upon electriciy, under attack.

Some like yourself blame Antifa and many others blame right wing extremist attackers. And your quote states that you believe there are ONLY left wing terrorists in America today. Not true by any stretch.

It wouldn't matter if it did. Antifa is an idea not a group. God these people are incapable of critical thinking. And only interested in bothsidesism. They are not capable of personal responsibility. It's blame whatever cockamie idea Fox News tells them to.

[Glacier]

Ideas are more destructive than individual groups, Jlives.

I'm not blaming anyone for these attacks because there is not a shred of evidence that they are politically motivated other than they happened in quick succession. Although, vandalism at substations is not uncommon so without knowing the baseline of what is a regular incident interval we don't even know if this is out of the ordinary.

15,000 customers lost power in Vernon last year because of vandalism, but the official report said it was a bird. Power outages happen every day and we have no idea how many are related to vandalism.

The OP blamed far right extremists. I have zero sympathy for far right extremists so have no problem condemning them when they do something violent. If the OP were to blame far left extremists for this series of attacks I would also ask for evidence.

No one wins when people cry wolf. Except for the extremists who can get away with attacks later and people will stop believing the media.

I am pro-speculation though, so if the OP would have said, "I think it was far-right extremists," that's fine, but to make sound like the news article said any such thing is dishonest.

Whether politically motivated or not, I hope they catch those who did this. I have no sympathy for vandals and thrives of any kind.

[nucksRnum1]

It's funny how quickly the right blames everything (including what they do themselves) on ANTIFA. In the end, people who say it's an idea are correct. Another thing about the group is that there is no formal membership or identity involved. Most people don't even know who an ANTIFA supporter is. Much like anonymous. Granted there are those who are caught on TV or have been formally charged - but these people are a minority in the overall group. This group supporting black lives matter or other broken social contracts is a benefit to society. Not acting on trying to tear down the government.

[Glacier]

The left will never admit to their own terrorist elements.

This is so true. The right generally has no problem condemning right-wing extremism, but the left has a really hard time acknowledging left-wing violence even exists. I'm not sure what to make of it other than there is close association between left-wing extremists and regular non-violent left wingers. I guess that's why they consider those who do commit violence as benefiting society.

[steven lloyd]

The left will never admit to their own terrorist elements.

This is so true. The right generally has no problem condemning right-wing extremism, ...

Like calling the January 6 insurection attempt where the mob that was there wanted to find and hang Mike Pence "a mostly peaceful protest", or denying the evidence that reveals the violence at BLM protests was mainly caused by well organized right-wing agitators? You mean having no problem condemning right-wing extremism like that? Glacier, I'm not denying that those at the far left will also deny or rationalize their involvement in extremist activity but you are normally more balanced in your observations.

[The Green Barbarian]

Like calling the January 6 insurection attempt where the mob that was there wanted to find and hang Mike Pence "a mostly peaceful protest",

By the standards set by the media, it was a mostly peaceful protest. Context is important here.

or denying the evidence that reveals the violence at BLM protests was mainly caused by well organized right-wing agitators?

LOL - yes, those scumbags that Kyle was forced to kill/wound in self defence at a BLM "rally" (lol lol lol) were all "well organized right wing agitators" - such BS. Such foolishness. Apologist nonsense to justify bad behavior and just plain evil. But the dumbest thing about Kyle wasn't that he had to be tried in court, it was the reams of disinformation disseminated about him by half-wits. "He carried an assault rifle over state lines!!" LOL LOL - how the lame fools who copied and pasted these lies on internet forums fell for such nonsense will never cease to amaze.

You mean having no problem condemning right-wing extremism like that?

Actually, we're condemning far Left extremist violence, including attacking substations and pipelines. That's the point of this thread, not babbling on about January 6th, which has nothing to do with the topic,

Glacier, I'm not denying that those at the far left will also deny or rationalize their involvement in extremist activity but you are normally more balanced in your observations.

Keep up the great work Glacier! The far Left extremist fools will continue to babble on about "balance" but we all know that "balance" is limited to only spreading disinformation about non-existent "well organized right wing agitators" (lol lol lol). Meanwhile, leftist extremism continues to spread and their hate continues to flow unabated, while idiots disseminate misinformation fed into their echo-chambers. Such twits.

[ferri]

Substations Attacked

[Queen K]

Two arrested, no immediate link to any domestic terrorist groups, left or right. Sometimes people just act on their own.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/03/politics ... index.html

[The Green Barbarian]

Two arrested, no immediate link to any domestic terrorist groups, left or right. Sometimes people just act on their own.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/03/politics ... index.html

Imagine that.

With zero political angle here, this will quickly be forgotten by both sides.

[Catsumi]

Looking on the bright side of that story….

Those two guys are eligible for a 20 year stint behind bars for messing with the substations.

[The Green Barbarian]

Looking on the bright side of that story….

Those two guys are eligible for a 20 year stint behind bars for messing with the substations.

Let's hope that sends a message to domestic terrorist groups on both sides of the political spectrum. Now if only terrorists in Canada would get sentences like that for attacking pipelines and pipeline construction equipment.

[Glacier]

Imagine that.

With zero political angle here, this will quickly be forgotten by both sides.

I would like to point out something that no one should forget, and that is to highlight some of the dirty manipulative tricks that the media likes to use and especially some posters here on castanet.

One thing often done is provide a number of incidents of something but not providing a baseline. They might say that there is all these extreme weather events happening, but without providing what is the normal number of extreme weather events, they are just manipulating you into thinking that all these events that happen naturally would not have happened without climate change.

If the media refuses to provide a baseline number, they are lying to you, and you can dismiss everything said in the article.

Another manipulative trick is to tell you something is happening without giving a single example. Remember when Mr Harper was supposedly muzzling scientists. Well Trudeau has been in power for 8 years and not a single muzzled scientist has spoken out, and not a single example has been given that I'm aware of.

If an article doesn't give you an example, you can dismiss everything said in it as complete garbage.

Another popular trick the media loves to use is to give big numbers without giving any per capita data for context. If they tell you that X number of people have died, but they don't give you the number of people per capita, especially when they're comparing Nation to Nation, you can dismiss everything that they're saying since they are displaying anti-science.

Only by the media deliberately taking things out of context do you believe these hoaxes.