Transgendered Woman Upset by Gym's Policy

[The Green Barbarian]

Why should they have to adapt to society, but not society also adapt them? hypothetically of course.

Why not ask these two ladies?

Concerns over transgender client at Okanagan shelter

Two women are raising concerns about the latest person to move into a Kelowna homeless shelter for women.

“He wants to become a woman, I mean that is his choice but when a man comes into a women’s shelter who still has a penis and genitals he has more rights than we do.” Tracey said.

Tracey is upset that she was made to share a room with a transgender individual, a man transitioning to become a woman.

“They told me, sorry if a person identifies themselves with female, then we have to go with that.” Tracey said.

Another client named Blaine was also staying at the shelter. She recently fled from an abusive relationship and says she’s uncomfortable with a transgender person staying at women’s only facility.

“Some women have had bad experiences with men so they are fleeing men and now we have a man living there,” Blaine said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3300518/conc ... n-shelter/

They spoke out because they felt unsafe. And were then kicked out for speaking out. Makes total sense.

[liisgo]

It is ludicrous to think that transgender "women" could be allowed in a women's shelter.

Yes indeed.

How far will we go?

And this is where the woke ones supporting all these issue's have a reckoning to deal with. When real life situations come into light, like men sharing showers with their teen girls. Or maybe the closure of women private businesses etc. Then when called upon to justify their very special virtue signalling they have nothing to offer.
Thats the problem today, the very ones supporting any of this are actually the last ones to have a single answer for what they emotional brag about.

[alanjh595]

I can't see where women would be adverse to a person that wants to be/identifies as a female.
They have no sexual interest in their bodies or causing them any harm.
They have a greater interest in the male body and men might have an objection to that.
Women look at other women ALL the time. They watch how they walk, dress, and their other physical attributes. They copy other women in many aspects that they admire in others.

If a woman was to wander into a males' bathroom, they will look away and/or have no interest in their sexual organs. They certainly don't have the ability to sexually assault a man.

[rustled]

Yes indeed.

How far will we go?

And this is where the woke ones supporting all these issue's have a reckoning to deal with. When real life situations come into light, like men sharing showers with their teen girls. Or maybe the closure of women private businesses etc. Then when called upon to justify their very special virtue signalling they have nothing to offer.
Thats the problem today, the very ones supporting any of this are actually the last ones to have a single answer for what they emotional brag about.

I think people who are genuinely interested in making the world a better place are fully prepared to take responsibility for the negative consequences of the changes they support. Experience with having to take responsibility for outcomes makes one more cautious. Whereas folk who want to be seen to be "doing the right thing" - like pushing for a blanket policy of allowing biological men into women's spaces based solely on the biological male's desire to be in that space - tend to gloss past all potential for negative consequences, have often moved on to the next popular agenda before those negative consequences are coming to light, and are unprepared to acknowledge their own hand in making those negative consequences a reality.

[Hmmm]

Dude needs help for mental health. Yes the emperor really has no clothes on. Go ahead and say it.

[Patron]

Why should they have to adapt to society, but not society also adapt them? hypothetically of course.

Why not ask these two ladies?

Concerns over transgender client at Okanagan shelter

Two women are raising concerns about the latest person to move into a Kelowna homeless shelter for women.

“He wants to become a woman, I mean that is his choice but when a man comes into a women’s shelter who still has a penis and genitals he has more rights than we do.” Tracey said.

Tracey is upset that she was made to share a room with a transgender individual, a man transitioning to become a woman.

“They told me, sorry if a person identifies themselves with female, then we have to go with that.” Tracey said.

Another client named Blaine was also staying at the shelter. She recently fled from an abusive relationship and says she’s uncomfortable with a transgender person staying at women’s only facility.

“Some women have had bad experiences with men so they are fleeing men and now we have a man living there,” Blaine said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3300518/conc ... n-shelter/

They spoke out because they felt unsafe. And were then kicked out for speaking out. Makes total sense.

yes, that was pretty shocking and SO unfair when this happened. Like the ladies said ( and ladies who are in fear for their life and their children's and finally made the hard decisions to leave their abusive spouses) Transitioning Men have more rights in a Women's Shelter than they do and their children, and apparently the Transgender community sees nothing wrong with it because if they did they would completely understand the fear these women and children have and they would be starting a Transgender Shelter themselves.

[youjustcomplain]

Let's change the scenario from a gym to a woman's shelter.

Women deserve to have safe and comfortable places free of male anatomy if they so choose. It's hard to believe some disagree with that.

Would you like to open a different thread about your different topic?

You can go ahead and add Woman's Shelters to the very long list of things I have not mentioned. I haven't advocated that trans woman be allowed in womans shelters. Great that you can try to build a case against something not being discussed.

I'll also not be suggesting that they get mammograms and tests done to check for cervical cancer. But hey, build that as a case against the topic of why trans woman should be allowed to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men.

[Hmmm]

Would you like to open a different thread about your different topic?

You can go ahead and add Woman's Shelters to the very long list of things I have not mentioned. I haven't advocated that trans woman be allowed in womans shelters. Great that you can try to build a case against something not being discussed.

I'll also not be suggesting that they get mammograms and tests done to check for cervical cancer. But hey, build that as a case against the topic of why trans woman should be allowed to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men.

You are not the boss of the thread....

[rustled]

Let's change the scenario from a gym to a woman's shelter.

Women deserve to have safe and comfortable places free of male anatomy if they so choose. It's hard to believe some disagree with that.

Would you like to open a different thread about your different topic?

You can go ahead and add Woman's Shelters to the very long list of things I have not mentioned. I haven't advocated that trans woman be allowed in womans shelters. Great that you can try to build a case against something not being discussed.

I'll also not be suggesting that they get mammograms and tests done to check for cervical cancer. But hey, build that as a case against the topic of why trans woman should be allowed to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men.

I don't think anyone can make a case to logically explain why women who want to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men should have to share that gym with any biological male who claims to be trans.

[youjustcomplain]

What the hell are you talking about? In a democracy, the free people vote for whom they want to lead the country, and the party with the most votes, or also considered the majority of the votes wins and forms the new government.

Yes, that's exactly how our democracy works. But, you missed my point. I likely failed to explain it well, so I'll try again. Please let me know if I failed again though; it's important.
Just because the majority thinks one way, doesn't mean they're right.
So, the majority can vote in Donald Trump, and he will become the President of the USA. That's democracy for you. But it doesn't mean it was a good choice or the right choice. Just that it was a choice made by the majority of voters. (or the highest number of votes which could be less than majority, but not really relevant to this)

I feel right about what Im stating because it is routed in basic biology and has been confirmed for decades of scientific studies that someone born with a Penis and has XY chromosomes is a Male human being. If you are born with a vagina/uterus and have XX chromosomes then you are a Female human being. No matter what advancements are made in medical procedures regarding sex change operations, no manner of surgery will change this basic fact. DNA doesnt lie.

But nobody, myself included, is arguing that. I'm not saying that a man born with a penis and XY chromosomes is somehow not a male, biologically. There is a difference between gender and your birthsex. Both carry the same descriptions though. Man/woman, Male/female. So I get that it isn't always clear, cut and dry as to what is in someone's pants when they look one way but might have been born differently.

These people should just learn to live and love themselves the way they are. No need to change anything.

Says who? You? Are you the single authority on what everyone should feel about themselves? Should the church be the authority? Should it be simple biology and leave the neurosciences out completely? Why?
If you were born a biological male and always felt that you were a female in a mans body, how would you feel about yourself? If you decided that you wanted to live your life as a woman and started down the road of becoming transgendered, do you think it would be fair for society to tell you that you should not and that you no longer belong around men or woman since you won't be either?

Actually, I did just read a story where Japan's Birthrate is lower than its death rate and they are concerned due to their immigration laws that restrict non-Japanese people from becoming citizens.

And yet, it's a well known fact that the human population is growing, not shrinking. If you want to look at birth rates in a bubble, I'm sure you'll find many 1st world countries where the birthrate is lower than the death rate.

This might confuse you as your group seems to think

Just for clarity purposes, I'll come right out and state that I don't belong to a group. There are no weekly meetings. I'm not following some agenda and I'm not a puppet. I'm also not LGBTQ+. All I am is in full support of them as they struggle through our societal barriers, put in place long before LGBTQ+ issues existed publicly, and now being defended by people who refuse to accept the change needed to help them.

This might confuse you as your group seems to think that just because we don't agree with trans people's choices and views we must hate and despise them. Nothing can be further from the truth. We feel sorry for these people suffering from a serious mental illnesses. All these what if this, what if that scenarios, it means nothing to me because I'm not a female and I dont go to the gym. But I can understand why and sympathize with biological women when it comes to being in a Women's only gym or in a women's only locker/change room and there are biological men in with them. While I wouldn't claim to say all trans-gendered people are predators, in the same way, I wouldn't claim all Men are predators, but I still wouldn't want men (as innocent as they may be) to be allowed in a womens change room or bathroom.

When you say "we", who do you represent? Everyone who is against trans rights? Because I can tell you that you don't speak for all of them. I've met plenty of very hateful people anti-gay, anti-trans people. When you say we, and state what you think, it sounds a lot like you're representing people you probably don't want in your camp.

I have never asked the trans people I know whether they want pity from us straights. I doubt they want it though.
When you say that they're suffering from a serious mental illness, I'm curious what you mean. Is being trans a serious mental illness? Do you mean the list of mental illnesses that come from never feeling accepted in society? Do you mean the suicidal ideation that some/many/most of them feel from time to time? I'm just curious what you mean.

As for bathrooms.. I mean, how many woman walk around in a public bathroom, naked? Since you want to talk reality, is that a thing? Either way, this topic is about a trans woman wanting to work out in a woman only gym. It doesn't mean that trans woman are predators, as you mentioned or that they have any ill intent here. I think a lot of this is just fear based, not reality based.

I feel sorry and pity for trans people and all others with mental illnesses as when/if society really breaks down into chaos, these people will be the first to get sent to an island.

Maybe this bit needs an explanation. I don't follow.
Perhaps fearful, hateful people should be shoved onto that island instead.

[rustled]

This might confuse you as your group seems to think that just because we don't agree with trans people's choices and views we must hate and despise them. Nothing can be further from the truth. We feel sorry for these people suffering from a serious mental illnesses. All these what if this, what if that scenarios, it means nothing to me because I'm not a female and I dont go to the gym. But I can understand why and sympathize with biological women when it comes to being in a Women's only gym or in a women's only locker/change room and there are biological men in with them. While I wouldn't claim to say all trans-gendered people are predators, in the same way, I wouldn't claim all Men are predators, but I still wouldn't want men (as innocent as they may be) to be allowed in a womens change room or bathroom.

When you say "we", who do you represent? Everyone who is against trans rights?

While I'll let Nedroj speak for Nedroj, it is inaccurate to suggest people who simply do not think trans rights should supersede women's rights are therefore against trans rights.

To me, this illustrates the peril of using an emotional fallacy in defence of the DIE agenda regardless of the consequences.

[youjustcomplain]

It's misguided to accuse people who DO support change FOR THE BETTER of "not opening their eyes" for pointing out the significant problems with changes being made to support the "diversity, inclusion and equity" agenda.

It seems to me we're now at a point our society, where more hostility is shown toward people who point out the significant problems with these changes than is shown toward any group of people identity politics claims to be defending from hostility.

Who is supporting change for the better though? If I review the arguments here, it's been something along the lines of:
1. Man is man, woman is woman. can't change it. Anyone who wants to is mentally ill and should be left out of society
2. Woman deserve to not have to be anywhere close to men or trans woman.

Which arguments have you seen where people against trans woman's rights have been advocating for change to help the trans woman?

[Patron]

Would you like to open a different thread about your different topic?

You can go ahead and add Woman's Shelters to the very long list of things I have not mentioned. I haven't advocated that trans woman be allowed in womans shelters. Great that you can try to build a case against something not being discussed.

I'll also not be suggesting that they get mammograms and tests done to check for cervical cancer. But hey, build that as a case against the topic of why trans woman should be allowed to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men.

I don't think anyone can make a case to logically explain why women who want to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men should have to share that gym with any biological male who claims to be trans.

I think that maybe it's time to start using the real word, "transitioning" because until you have the complete operation you still are physically a male , like I said my HS friend does not consider herself transgender, she is a 100% woman, with breasts and a vagina and that is the only way she wants to be addressed, she also said that it's petty issues like this that make life way harder for those who are in transition and struggling to get the funds together for the full operation

[rustled]

As for bathrooms.. I mean, how many woman walk around in a public bathroom, naked? Since you want to talk reality, is that a thing? Either way, this topic is about a trans woman wanting to work out in a woman only gym. It doesn't mean that trans woman are predators, as you mentioned or that they have any ill intent here. I think a lot of this is just fear based, not reality based.

For a gym, we are talking change rooms. Yes, of course women are naked in women's change rooms.

Women want to feel safe from men in their gyms and change rooms. The most fear I see is in the fear of facing the reality: when a biological male says the men's gym or change room feels unsafe, that's the same feeling women have sharing their space with biological males.

[rustled]

I don't think anyone can make a case to logically explain why women who want to exercise in a gym where they feel safe from men should have to share that gym with any biological male who claims to be trans.

I think that maybe it's time to start using the real word, "transitioning" because until you have the complete operation you still are physically a male , like I said my HS friend does not consider herself transgender, she is a 100% woman, with breasts and a vagina and that is the only way she wants to be addressed, she also said that it's petty issues like this that make life way harder for those who are in transition and struggling to get the funds together for the full operation

The agenda pushing really isn't helping.