Tic ...Toc ... Israel

[rustled]

Seems to me what's being argued here IS racist. It appears to be an effort to segment Israelis by their ancestry while deciding which descendants have integrity and which don't.

Define Israeli for me - I hope it’s not a definition that segregates modern Israelis as either Jewish or Arab and one of them having a racially based right to the land and the other not. Now THAT would be racist.

Yet we have precisely the same segregation in Canada, excluding people not of a defined race from land on reserves and from benefits available to people of that defined race.

Perhaps someone who benefits from racial segregation here can explain why this should only be considered racism when it happens in Israel. TIA.

I could be wrong, of course. Please explain the intent of discussing Israelis' ancestry in a discussion of Israelis' integrity.

You should turn that question around to Israel who legislates immigration laws that promote one races settlement of the land over another.

Don't "should" on me to avoid answering an uncomfortable question, thanks.

[Brass Monkey]

It actually is. And quite disgusting to boot. For shame.

Learn the difference between nationality and race. A flag isn’t a race.

[Brass Monkey]

Yet we have precisely the same segregation in Canada, excluding people not of a defined race from land on reserves and from benefits available to people of that defined race.

We live in a nation where people of one race incorporated racially based legislations in the constitution and judicial system in order to allow one race of people to settle on lands belonging to another race of people. I’ve never argued that the Indian Act is not racist, the name of the act is literally the antiquated name of a race of people. Reserves and benefits to those reserves are not exclusive to a race, they’re exclusive to members who were traditionally members of a nation. The Shushwap and Okanagan are the same race, yet the Shushwap have no rights to anything on Okanagan Territory and vice versa. The Shushwap have as many rights on our reserves as non-natives do.

Perhaps someone who benefits from racial segregation here can explain why this should only be considered racism when it happens in Israel. TIA.

Who gets the benefit here? Nearly all of BC, Nunavut and Ontario is unceded Indian lands but one race of people uses legal framework to promote that race’s settlement on those lands. It’s racist for Canada to have disenfranchised natives and disregarded their rights to their lands to promote non-native settlement, it’s racist for Israel to have disenfranchised the Palestinians and denied them their rights to their lands in order to promote Jewish settlement.

Don't "should" on me to avoid answering an uncomfortable question, thanks.

Does it make you uncomfortable knowing Israeli enforces settlement and property laws based on racial Israeli ancestry?

[rustled]

Yet we have precisely the same segregation in Canada, excluding people not of a defined race from land on reserves and from benefits available to people of that defined race.

Reserves and benefits to those reserves are not exclusive to a race, they’re exclusive to members who were traditionally members of a nation. The Shushwap and Okanagan are the same race, yet the Shushwap have no rights to anything on Okanagan Territory and vice versa. The Shushwap have as many rights on our reserves as non-natives do.

That's some mighty fine hair-splitting to justify excluding all but one group of people based on the nation they were born in - traditional membership in a nation being designated at, presumably, one particular time in that nation's history.

Which brings us to who gets to benefit from that designation as a member of the nation, to be awarded rights to occupy:

Perhaps someone who benefits from racial segregation here can explain why this should only be considered racism when it happens in Israel. TIA.

Who gets the benefit here? Nearly all of BC, Nunavut and Ontario is unceded Indian lands but one race of people uses legal framework to promote that race’s settlement on those lands. It’s racist for Canada to have disenfranchised natives and disregarded their rights to their lands to promote non-native settlement, it’s racist for Israel to have disenfranchised the Palestinians and denied them their rights to their lands in order to promote Jewish settlement.

We can see here the arbitrary application of the "occupation by nation" concept to suit the narrative, and how heavily "ceded" is used in supporting the application in one narrative at the expense of the other.

Don't "should" on me to avoid answering an uncomfortable question, thanks.

Does it make you uncomfortable knowing Israeli enforces settlement and property laws based on racial Israeli ancestry?

The tactic of asking a loaded question^^ to avoid the uncomfortable: Please explain the intent of discussing Israelis' ancestry in a discussion of Israelis' integrity.

[The Green Barbarian]

Learn the difference between nationality and race. A flag isn’t a race.

We've all learned just how much the Left hates Jews from their posting here. It's been eye-opening and truly scary.

[nucksRnum1]

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[ekir8]

^ You just asked these questions so clearly they aren't illegal. Save me the time of research, and YOU tell me the answer to the first question:

"The number 109 is white supremacist numeric shorthand for an anti-Semitic claim that Jews have been expelled from 109 different countries. Various anti-Semites have compiled lists of alleged Jewish “expulsions” ranging from 100 to more than 1,000 in number, but the figure of 109 is the most commonly cited and probably originates with a list of “109 locations” appearing on a longstanding Australian anti-Semitic website."

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/109110

Good lord. Cool your jets, not everything is a conspiracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion ... 87-586_BCE

[ekir8]

^ You just asked these questions so clearly they aren't illegal. Save me the time of research, and YOU tell me the answer to the first question:

Why have jews been expelled from 109 countries throughout history?

I don't know. What I've been able to garner from reading Solzhenitsyn's "200 Years Together" and Goodson's "A History of Central Banking" is that it stems from financial crimes and communism.

[unclemarty]

...it stems from financial crimes and communism.

Whatever man. *long slow eye roll*

But the Montreal Jewish Mafia does seem to be hording all the Matza-Meal & restricting supply out West !

...I tell you something needs to be done about this menace to society !

[unclemarty]

We've all learned just how much the Left hates Jews from their posting here. It's been eye-opening and truly scary.

You may be interested in checking this out GB...

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Can the whole world be wrong?
A new book is essential to understanding the current lunacy over Israel and the global jihad.

One of the mysteries of the war against Israel is the extent to which a monstrously twisted narrative about Israel and the Palestinian Arabs – casting the former as evil and the latter as sanctified victims – has been absorbed by so many people.

Still stranger, this narrative seems to be the driver of progressive politics.

The astonishing story of Mohammed al-Durah illustrates just how perverse this is.


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Landes dwells upon the al-Durah hoax in his new and magnificent book "Can the Whole World be Wrong?: Lethal Journalism, Antisemitism and Global Jihad." It is essential reading for anyone seeking to understand today's lunacies.

The book asks the question: How has the West simply lost its mind over the issue of the Palestinian Arabs?

As Landes says, today's Western journalists behave like true believers in the lies about Israel. They have never corrected the record on Mohammad al-Durah, which remains an incendiary blood libel, damning the Israelis for the supposedly cold-blooded killing of a defenseless child.

They have also never corrected the record on the Jenin "massacre" blood libel. In 2002, after 16 months of human bomb attacks in which more than 600 Israelis were murdered, the IDF killed 52 to 56 Palestinian Arabs in Jenin, around 40 of whom were combatants. Israel also lost 23 IDF soldiers during that operation in ambushes forced upon them by their commanders' insistence on going door-to-door to limit civilian casualties.

Yet the Western media – pushing what Landes describes as "lethal journalism" – published hysterically inflated Palestinian Arab claims of a massacre in which hundreds or even thousands of Palestinians had been killed.

The Western public has been left with the impression that the human bomb attacks arose out of resistance to Israeli "occupation" and "war crimes." In fact, they are the result of genocidal jihadi war propaganda delivered and concealed by Western journalists themselves.

Appallingly, the Israelis were described at the time as the new Nazis. But the malice that was unleashed was even worse. As Landes writes, "It was mostly about being freed from a sense of obligation to the Jews, a chance to take up again the Jew-baiting so long denied Europeans by a politically correct post-Holocaust sobriety."

Landes quotes a poisonous comment made by a member of the House of Lords and reported in the Spectator, "Well, the Jews have been asking for it, and now, thank God, we can say what we think at last."


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"Lethal journalists" who report Palestinian jihadi war propaganda as objective fact fail to grasp that they are thus reporting their own enemy's war propaganda as news.

This critical blindness is rooted in half a century of the West being blamed for its "original sins" of colonialism and imperialism. This cultural self-loathing has spawned the identity politics of race and gender. Human rights NGOs excoriating Israel and the U.S. for racism and slavery have adopted the jihadi apocalyptic narrative that holds that the U.S. and Israel are the Big and the Little Satan.

This has led to what Landes terms, "The Alice in Wonderland mindset: When jihadis attack a democracy, blame the democracy." So, while jihadi antisemitism is sanitized as resistance against the oppressor, criticism of Islam or the Palestinians has been denounced as "hate speech."

As Landes writes, in this poisonous mix a new antisemitism has taken hold in progressive circles around the world.

It is a stupefying alchemy of inverted narratives, which Landes describes as a preemptive surrender to Islamist attack. The result, he writes, is that "when the worst Jew-haters in the planet act out their Jew-hatred in the most revolting fashion, supporting them has become the litmus test for radical credentials." And the most tragic aspect of all is that so many progressive Jews have gone along with this madness.

So how can we fight it? In the only way we know how: With facts, evidence and reason. But we should be in no doubt that we are not just fighting to establish the truth about Israel and push antisemitism back underneath its stone. We are fighting to rescue a Western world that has simply lost its collective mind.

Melanie Phillips

https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/ca ... -be-wrong/

[Thinktank]

magnificent book "Can the Whole World be Wrong?: Lethal Journalism, Antisemitism and Global Jihad."

I'm confused.

If an anti-semite is someone who hates Jews. What is someone who sends $100 billion to kill Russians?
An anti-Slav? Are most Canadians and Americans anti-Slavs?

Only 30% of Israelis say they are religious, survey finds; and we all know most religious
people don't really believe in their religion - we all know that.

So if people hate Israel they can't be anti-semites. Am I right Uncle Marty?

I hate Canada by the way - the filthiest country on earth right now.

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[GordonH]

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[Thinktank]

An Israeli defense contractor is supplying anti-drone systems to Ukraine’s military by way of Poland, The Times of Israel’s Hebrew sister site Zman Yisrael reported Monday.

Hey - Israel has as much blood on it's "holy-land" hands as warmonger Canada.

Canada shoves our money into underwear guy's hands but Israel "SELLS" the drones for $$$.
....by way of Poland anything for a buck.

Israel has blood on it's hands. Just like Melanie Joly and Canada.


Israel is a two-face - selling drones to kill Russians for a buck.
I do not know if Putin is a two-face. He might be.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-d ... of-poland/

[unclemarty]

Your article says Anti-drone systems sold to Poland... even if they end-up in Ukraine, how do they become "Drones sold to to kill Russians". ?

I'm confused.

That's OK, it happens.

[seewood]

Israel has blood on it's hands. Just like Melanie Joly and Canada.

But not Russia ????